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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 28, 2017 10:37:18 GMT -5
The indie crowd is not big enough to fill out that amount of people.
It has never been done before so they would be almost inventing the wheel or something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 10:48:10 GMT -5
I don't understand the point of this really other than proving that it is possible. Sure, you get a big number and might make some money (although the cost for talent will be high and ticket prices will need to be on the cheap side). This only helps anyone if it builds towards something but it seems like it will likely be a one off so I am not sure it is worth the investment. I think proving it's possible would be a huge accomplishment. I wouldn't sell them short if it's a one and done. It would still be an unprecedented success and surely a motivator for others about what can be achieved as an independent wrestler.
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Post by MWC on Nov 28, 2017 11:21:46 GMT -5
I hope they were smart and aren't dumping most of their money into this because wrestling shows (especially one-offs that try to be "supershows" or whatever) are notorious money losers if you aren't very very VERY careful about tracking finances. And even then, you still might lose your ass financially. This is the major factor. I'm excited about them doing this and chances are I'll do whatever I can to attend it but it needs to work financially for them more-so than just proving Meltzer wrong.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 28, 2017 12:12:52 GMT -5
I'm excited by the idea, but it would certainly have to be approached cautiously; ROH has never been super aggressive in expanding or growing the types of venues they run due to wanting a "slow but steady" growth rate, and jumping to something in the 10,000 seat range is a big, big deal.
I've said before that if we put every mitigating factor in a vacuum that a third Okada/Omega IWGP title match could potentially sell out a venue like Madison Square Garden (big wrestling market, 17,000 or so seat arena, potential for fly-ins by out of state/international fans), but the reason we have to put it in a vacuum is that running a venue like MSG is prohibitively expensive. Obviously there are numerous 10,000 seat venues that are a lot cheaper than running in midtown Manhattan, but it's still a pretty penny to pull off, especially given that it would take bringing in some big talent to make it all work.
So yeah, I hope they do it, I'm glad they're trying it, but I also hope they stay careful.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 28, 2017 12:46:00 GMT -5
I think they can do it for a one off.
Best of luck that WWE doesn't decide to double book the city in response tho.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Nov 28, 2017 13:11:39 GMT -5
I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I couldn't see it working in UK. Even if accompanied by legends autograph meet and greets, 10k is an awful lot of people to get into a venue.
In saying that, it would interest me enough to drive a few hours to London.
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Post by corndog on Nov 28, 2017 13:25:35 GMT -5
I hope they were smart and aren't dumping most of their money into this because wrestling shows (especially one-offs that try to be "supershows" or whatever) are notorious money losers if you aren't very very VERY careful about tracking finances. And even then, you still might lose your ass financially. This is the major factor. I'm excited about them doing this and chances are I'll do whatever I can to attend it but it needs to work financially for them more-so than just proving Meltzer wrong. I agree, there are 10,000-12,000 seater arenas that are much more affordable than others. They have proven they can draw 3,000 fans to a show and if they at least get that, they should still be able to make money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 14:19:36 GMT -5
I'm excited by the idea, but it would certainly have to be approached cautiously; ROH has never been super aggressive in expanding or growing the types of venues they run due to wanting a "slow but steady" growth rate, and jumping to something in the 10,000 seat range is a big, big deal. It makes me wonder if it's better to promote this as a Ring of Honor event, or to promote it as some big standalone event, like an off brand Wrestlemania. If you promote it as an ROH show - I like ROH, but to the outsider, they would look up ROH but production-wise and everything they come off pretty rinkidink, I don't know if there's anything there to sell people on a 10,000 seat arena. But if it's treated as a general pro wrestling all star show it might fare better. Though I would love for all those bodies to be attending a Ring of Honor show, only I'm not sure if that's realistic.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 28, 2017 14:33:17 GMT -5
I saw "Ontario" for a second and got really excited at the chance this could be one "everyone pile into a car" trip away from me, but then the 'Ontario, California' bit sank that something fierce. I'm praying they do it here. Ontario is like a 25 minute drive for me.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 28, 2017 15:21:04 GMT -5
Bullet Club: Souled Out.
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Post by Rican on Nov 28, 2017 15:33:56 GMT -5
When is Bryan's contract up? I wouldn't be surprised if he's already talked to them secretly.
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Post by Glitch on Nov 28, 2017 15:40:41 GMT -5
They should get Hot Topic to sponsor the event.
No, seriously. Think about it. They've sponsored concerts before. And they got the power to advertise immensely, and to get lots of eyes on the event. They could fill seats with people who may not necessarily go to a lot of indie shows, but who like the Bullet Club.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 28, 2017 16:03:27 GMT -5
I think they can do it for a one off. Best of luck that WWE doesn't decide to double book the city in response tho. I totally wouldn’t put it past Vince and friends to announce an NXT Take Over within an hour’s drive the day of that show.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 28, 2017 16:20:00 GMT -5
When is Bryan's contract up? I wouldn't be surprised if he's already talked to them secretly. Sept. 2018
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Post by eJm on Nov 28, 2017 16:56:55 GMT -5
When is Bryan's contract up? I wouldn't be surprised if he's already talked to them secretly. Sept. 2018 And considering a) they want to do this in the next 6 months and b) one of the places they might want to go is London where PROGRESS is taking the venue they might want to use...doesn't seem massively likely but not impossible if they change that part of the plan.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 28, 2017 17:10:40 GMT -5
I mean, dream big and all that, but...I really hope they're prepared to lose their shirts on Cody's silly bet, because you can put money on Vince and Hunter booking opposition to them to put a boot on their throat.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 28, 2017 18:00:14 GMT -5
Well if they pull it off, it better be in Japan. That way Meltzer can give the matches a fair rating after eating crow.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2017 18:06:54 GMT -5
I'm excited by the idea, but it would certainly have to be approached cautiously; ROH has never been super aggressive in expanding or growing the types of venues they run due to wanting a "slow but steady" growth rate, and jumping to something in the 10,000 seat range is a big, big deal. It makes me wonder if it's better to promote this as a Ring of Honor event, or to promote it as some big standalone event, like an off brand Wrestlemania. If you promote it as an ROH show - I like ROH, but to the outsider, they would look up ROH but production-wise and everything they come off pretty rinkidink, I don't know if there's anything there to sell people on a 10,000 seat arena. But if it's treated as a general pro wrestling all star show it might fare better. Though I would love for all those bodies to be attending a Ring of Honor show, only I'm not sure if that's realistic. Based on what im reading if all goes well it will not be an ROH show
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Post by honsou on Nov 28, 2017 18:45:26 GMT -5
With the right card and city they might be able to get close. As long as they didn't break the bank on a building, there is a good chance they'd be able to make a ton of money on the meet and greets and merch alone. I don't think they would be trying to do this for publicity alone and not expecting to make any money. You can say what you will about their wrestling ability but they have proved themselves to be amazing businessmen and self promoters.
It will be interesting to see where this goes
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 28, 2017 19:08:48 GMT -5
It would have to have a main event of something like Omega vs. Naito for the IWGP title (I am assuming Naito wins at WK). Thing is the rematches of Omega/Okada basically did about 10,000 people in Japan, so I dunno about the U.S. I'm glad to see someone is trying to do this though, since ROH is happy being kind of bush league and NJPW is just dipping their toes in the water in the USA.
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