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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 16, 2017 4:18:43 GMT -5
Actually saw this for the first time the other day it was pretty good. To my surprise I never hear Disney fans talk about the movie why is that?
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Dec 16, 2017 4:31:55 GMT -5
Not sure, but, if you haven't seen it I highly recommend seeing Castle of Cagliostro! One of my favorite movies ever, and Hayao Miyazaki's first film. Featuring gentleman thief Lupin the third. There is a connection in that Great Mouse Detective borrowed some from that prior film.
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Post by dav on Dec 16, 2017 5:12:17 GMT -5
I think it was one of those movies that did OK, but was overshadowed by the then current output by Don Bluth and the later Little Mermaid movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 5:20:55 GMT -5
I loved it as a kid. Watched it again as an adult a few months ago and I don't think it's aged that well. The climax in Big Ben (or Elizabeth Tower if you want to be accurate) is great however. I was terrified of Ratigan during that as a kid and even as an adult it's unsettling.
In terms of why it's not talked about, it came out during a time when Disney was not hot as a company. They weren't producing big successes and it wasn't until the Little Mermaid kicked off the Disney renaissance that they became relevant again. So the mouse detective falls into a hole where it's not as well known or as relevant.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 16, 2017 5:24:55 GMT -5
It's a favorite of mine. Basil walks that fine line that Holmes stand-ins must walk between cocky and likable, but I found him plenty easy to root for. Vincent Price really seemed to relish being Ratigan. In general, it's a good time, and one I find myself returning to every few years. Loved it as a kid, and I dig it now.
The burlesque scene is probably the most widely discussed part of the film. Draw your own conclusions as to why.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 16, 2017 5:27:14 GMT -5
I actually think it's pretty underrated. Ratigan is one of the more memorable Disney villains for those who've seen it, and Barrie Ingham had a great performance as Basil.
The Big Ben fight is like Disney's answer to a Brock Lesnar match. The animation on Basil as he's getting mauled is downright unsettling.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 16, 2017 5:31:46 GMT -5
It's a favorite of mine. Basil walks that fine line that Holmes stand-ins must walk between cocky and likable, but I found him plenty easy to root for. Basil is easily on the softer end of Sherlocks. Like the part when he's throwing a fit about one of Ratigan's henchmen escaping, but he sees how broken up Dawson is, and his demeanor totally changes.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 16, 2017 5:36:55 GMT -5
It's a favorite of mine. Basil walks that fine line that Holmes stand-ins must walk between cocky and likable, but I found him plenty easy to root for. Basil is easily on the softer end of Sherlocks. Like the part when he's throwing a fit about one of Ratigan's henchmen escaping, but he sees how broken up Dawson is, and his demeanor totally changes. Yeah, he's much more sympathetic than a lot of them, particularly ones like Doctor House which almost entirely omit redeeming values beyond "does job good". Sherlock could be a pain in the ass, but he wasn't an outright monster, even in his testier moments. But I guess that's the thing about loose adaptations, you get to do what you want with it. Like, Sherlock was obvious a lot less meek than Adrian Monk.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 16, 2017 5:45:32 GMT -5
Basil is easily on the softer end of Sherlocks. Like the part when he's throwing a fit about one of Ratigan's henchmen escaping, but he sees how broken up Dawson is, and his demeanor totally changes. Yeah, he's much more sympathetic than a lot of them, particularly ones like Doctor House which almost entirely omit redeeming values beyond "does job good". Sherlock could be a pain in the ass, but he wasn't an outright monster, even in his testier moments. But I guess that's the thing about loose adaptations, you get to do what you want with it. Like, Sherlock was obvious a lot less meek than Adrian Monk. That's part of the reason I couldn't really get into House. I don't mind prickly heroes now and then, but I find the main character too unappealing then it drags down the rest of the IP for me. Whereas Basil will come off a little jerkish at points- "I don't have time for lost mothers", then the girl's like "I don't have a mother." And then Basil winces and he has this adorable sad expression.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 16, 2017 10:04:27 GMT -5
I actually think it's pretty underrated. Ratigan is one of the more memorable Disney villains for those who've seen it, and Barrie Ingham had a great performance as Basil. The Big Ben fight is like Disney's answer to a Brock Lesnar match. The animation on Basil as he's getting mauled is downright unsettling. This movie is HORRIBLY underrated. Such a fun little caper of its time. Doesn't get the love it deserves. Also, this:
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Post by dav on Dec 16, 2017 10:07:37 GMT -5
I actually think it's pretty underrated. Ratigan is one of the more memorable Disney villains for those who've seen it, and Barrie Ingham had a great performance as Basil. The Big Ben fight is like Disney's answer to a Brock Lesnar match. The animation on Basil as he's getting mauled is downright unsettling. This movie is HORRIBLY underrated. Such a fun little caper of its time. Doesn't get the love it deserves. Also, this: For years, I thought the lyrics were "Worse than the weirdoes of old London Town?" So imagine my surprise when I learned what they were actually singing.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 16, 2017 12:56:37 GMT -5
was on tv last year and it was one of many disney movies i recorded, thoroughly enjoyed it when i watched it for the first time in yonks big fan of HOUSE seeing them all and also watched MONK only a few years ago
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 16, 2017 14:28:37 GMT -5
I went on a Sherlock binge way back when I was young, and that's how I came upon this movie. Otherwise I probably never would have known it existed. :/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 14:34:18 GMT -5
A movie I used to watch a lot as a child.
There's one thing I only got when watching the original for the first time. In the German dub, I never understood why the others got annoyed when he said the child's name (the dub name was Hampelmann, he always said Hampelmann, what gives). Only when I watched the original did I learn that he always mangled the name until the end.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 16, 2017 16:57:41 GMT -5
I watched this movie in probably 1991 or 92. I had no idea that it was as old as 1986.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 16, 2017 17:02:24 GMT -5
I have to like any villain that actually uses "odious", one of my favorite words.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 16, 2017 18:31:18 GMT -5
Let's talk about the scene that has a burlesque musical number.
Because, I'm pretty sure that scene started the path some had towards furrydom.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 16, 2017 18:33:46 GMT -5
Let's talk about the scene that has a burlesque musical number. Because, I'm pretty sure that scene started the path some had towards furrydom. I've oddly seen it cited less for that than stuff like Disney's Robin Hood or Gadget from Rescue Rangers. You'd think it'd come up more for that.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 16, 2017 18:53:06 GMT -5
Actually saw this for the first time the other day it was pretty good. To my surprise I never hear Disney fans talk about the movie why is that? A lot of it is Disney's pattern to rarely highlight or merchandise much of anything from the 70-88 Dark Age (Winnie the Pooh excepted given was a theatrical package film of Silver Age shorts). You'll find people who love the movies from this period (admittedly less with the Black Cauldron) but any young fans basically have to discover or go out of their way to see them compared to the major bonanzas stuff from the Silver Age, Renaissance or Revival periods. Hell Robin Hood is beloved by a number of people and has only barely escaped this status.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 17, 2017 13:36:18 GMT -5
I haven't watched this yet, but I do know it was successful enough to convince Disney execs the animation department was still worth a damn, even if it were outperformed by An American Tail.
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