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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 19, 2017 2:41:51 GMT -5
Bayley fighting to get the match she always wanted would have fit her fangirl character, preserved kayfabe and provided a hook for the match.
WWE struggle to book one rumble especially when it comes to pacing so I'm a bit apprehensive about two in one night.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Dec 19, 2017 2:48:45 GMT -5
Steph can't do anything right in some people's eyes.
As far as the hugging goes: these women are rivals but they are also all in it together. That's the on-going story of the women's division they have been telling for years now.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 19, 2017 2:52:03 GMT -5
I'm curious about some of the logistics of this match... How many participants? How long will the intervals be? Over the top rope or through the rope eliminations? Will Gail Kim somehow be in the match?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 19, 2017 2:54:44 GMT -5
I believe every battle royal involving the women has been over the top since the Diva's Revolution started, especially on NXT, so I don't imagine they need to do 2nd rope eliminations for this.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 19, 2017 2:56:52 GMT -5
I believe every battle royal involving the women has been over the top since the Diva's Revolution started, especially on NXT, so I don't imagine they need to do 2nd rope eliminations for this. Ah, good to know, that's one answer down. More questions: Does the winner get a title shot? If so, for which title? Does the winner of the Women's Royal Rumble get to main event Wrestlemania?
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Post by JCBaggee on Dec 19, 2017 3:06:57 GMT -5
I believe every battle royal involving the women has been over the top since the Diva's Revolution started, especially on NXT, so I don't imagine they need to do 2nd rope eliminations for this. Ah, good to know, that's one answer down. More questions: Does the winner get a title shot? If so, for which title? Does the winner of the Women's Royal Rumble get to main event Wrestlemania? These are all very important questions, and they will almost certainly be answered in a hastily written tweet on January 25th, once creative has decided how it's going to work out, and then changed the night of during the pre-show.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 19, 2017 3:11:09 GMT -5
The early writeups on WWE.com seem to indicate that it is for a title shot at WrestleMania (which would highly likely make that match the first one-on-one women's match at WM since 2007).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 3:25:33 GMT -5
You guys remember when Joker, Two-face, and Batman had a group hug at the end of The Dark Knight? That's why it's the best Batman movie.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2017 3:49:50 GMT -5
Steph can't do anything right in some people's eyes. As far as the hugging goes: these women are rivals but they are also all in it together. That's the on-going story of the women's division they have been telling for years now. But they literally AREN'T all in it together, in Kayfabe, Absolution have been coming in and causing chaos and disorder, literally wanting to take everything from everyone, and Bliss thinks she is the greatest one of them all. This is not an underlying story of all the girls being in it together, it's just bad presentation that especially makes the heels look like goofs. Everyone just looked bad, it's wrestling, the whole presentation of wrestling is it's hard to make friends and really easy to make enemies. A whole division being "All in it together" is stupid and completely obliterates any interest in the product they're trying to present. The match needs to have hooks and story to really sell it, not "Hey look how great women are" which we friggen get already, it's just dumb, whole thing was dumb. Also Steph put herself over, put Moolah over, hijacked the YES chant or tried to, she's supposed to be a heel and constantly presents herself as such, which makes this all the more awkward, it's not a "She can't do anything right", this segment just flat out blew, it wouldn't have been saved with Angle either.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 19, 2017 3:53:47 GMT -5
You guys remember when Joker, Two-face, and Batman had a group hug at the end of The Dark Knight? That's why it's the best Batman movie. You don't even have to make movie analogies to show how stupid this. Just imagine if the two six-person tag matches just swapped endings altogether. Just imagine if The Bar, Samoa Joe, Jason Jordan, and The Shield ended in an DQ, but then Vince came out and announced they would in the Royal Rumble match. And then they all hugged, chanted yes, and did a group photo. If that sounds dumb if you had the men do it, I don't think it will be too much better for the women.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2017 3:53:48 GMT -5
Bayley fighting to get the match she always wanted would have fit her fangirl character, preserved kayfabe and provided a hook for the match. WWE struggle to book one rumble especially when it comes to pacing so I'm a bit apprehensive about two in one night. For Bayley it absolutely works, for even the faces it absolutely works, it was the fact that it was all of them and it literally stopped a feud dead to announce the match is where everything fell apart.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 19, 2017 3:53:59 GMT -5
Putting over Moolah in this current climate is unforgivable.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2017 3:58:47 GMT -5
You guys remember when Joker, Two-face, and Batman had a group hug at the end of The Dark Knight? That's why it's the best Batman movie. You don't even have to make movie analogies to show how stupid this. Just imagine if the two six-person tag matches just swapped endings altogether. Just imagine if The Bar, Samoa Joe, Jason Jordan, and The Shield ended in an DQ, but then Vince came out and announced they would in the Royal Rumble match. And then they all hugged, chanted yes, and did a group photo. If that sounds dumb if you had the men do it, I don't think it will be too much better for the women. What makes it worse to me as well is when this is like what the fifth time they've shoved the WOMEN'S HISTORY tag in their matches? Someone said it in the thread earlier, they've booked the Women so much around the "HEY LOOK THEY CAN DO THIS TOO" angle that it comes off more feminist than anything else like stories or characters, and it's really disheartening. WWE feels more proud of themselves for suddenly caring about the talent of these girls, than the actual steps the girls took to get this far and also care about booking them to have stable characters and booking, like Asuka feeling like such an afterthought in the two months she's been out of NXT Speaking of, I remember when Bayley and Sasha were doing this shit in NXT with a great storyline and great characters and was just like "Wow this is awesome, and it's awesome they're doing the match", I didn't need it shoehorned in every five seconds that they are women and that it's so cool and amazing that they're women and everyone needs to stop being in character to celebrate women doing these things. It just didn't work, I'm happy for them, but even some of the girls didn't seem to like how it was done, and the crowd looked completely taken out of it... as they should have been. I hate if I've sounded like a broken record in this thread about this whole situation but really to me this feels like it's a problem with current WWE in general, it wasn't just a stupid segment, it was just a reason the product is declining as a whole, because of this shit.
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Post by Bungle on Dec 19, 2017 4:26:16 GMT -5
They think the only way to get the Women Division over is forcing these "moments".
Was bad enough on NXT,now with Steph involved is a million times worse.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 19, 2017 5:12:45 GMT -5
WWE waited until it became topical and socially chic to actually utilize their women. Now, it comes across as a disingenuous PR stunt whenever they do anything that should've been done 15 years ago with them. The one way to counter that is to let the girls make actual history instead of shoving "history!" in our faces all the time, and not trotting Stephanie out so her character can flipflop around to be the soundbyte behind these movements in video packages. I'll give her a little credit, though - she put focus on the girls tonight, so that's something.
I like the idea of a women's RR match. It opens up the door for some past women to make an entry, which is really awesome. They just present everything in such a lame ass lazy way that it's hard to really be excited about it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2017 5:45:18 GMT -5
WWE waited until it became topical and socially chic to actually utilize their women. Now, it comes across as a disingenuous PR stunt whenever they do anything that should've been done 15 years ago with them. The one way to counter that is to let the girls make actual history instead of shoving "history!" in our faces all the time, and not trotting Stephanie out so her character can flipflop around to be the soundbyte behind these movements in video packages. I'll give her a little credit, though - she put focus on the girls tonight, so that's something. I like the idea of a women's RR match. It opens up the door for some past women to make an entry, which is really awesome. They just present everything in such a lame ass lazy way that it's hard to really be excited about it. My thing about Stephanie putting the girls over is she still stood in between them and presented it in such a way that it felt like a "This is because of me, cheer for ME you guys!", especially when her presence made the blood feud brawl just cease completely. It was just very mass produced, it felt like everything was artificial, even if the women's reactions were real, it didn't overall feel presented in a way that it should have been, you have a match to present, girls and feuds to sell, you just didn't. What could have easily saved this whole segment is if instead of trying to say all the shit Women have done and try to make this about History, is have security separate the girls or at least have Stephanie yell "ENOUGH!" and act like the bitch she normally is instead of this sudden benevolent creature that she never is on television. And then say due to the recent events on both RAW and Smackdown things have gotten out of hand, and in order to settle these out of control wars once and for all, they've decided to make something so chaotic that it has never been seen or attempted in Women's Wrestling, an All Woman Royal Rumble to let all this chaos come to a head, and decide who truly deserves to stand tall and go to WrestleMania Instead we got every storyline being chucked out the window with the fans fully expectant to just buy into it again after all is said and done, and a heatless Rumble, even if they start building feuds for it again, they've effectively made it heatless, because the match wasn't made due to the feuds and storylines of the women and what their characters have been trying to build, it's being done just because WWE can say they want to do it cause Women are awesome aren't they? It feels like someone patting someone on the back and going "Good for you, I'm gonna put what you did on the fridge so everyone can see it"!, it doesn't feel progressive, it actually feels condescending. It's a mound of forcefed horseshit, and I honestly feel bad for all the women involved because of that. I'm happy for them in getting this match and being on equal footing with the men, I'm sure the Rumble itself will be a spectacle (Though it could easily be bad), but I'm disgusted with how they've been booked to get there, because everything NXT built is being crushed by bland corporate nepotism.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 19, 2017 6:21:26 GMT -5
Only WWE and Vince could be both historic and insulting in the same moment. WWE is like the real life version of that "Almost politically correct redneck" meme
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Dec 19, 2017 6:25:33 GMT -5
Steph always has to shoehorn herself into these "Women's Revolution" segments, it's f***ing horrible. It should have been a joint announcement from Bryan and Angle saying they've agreed to do a Women's Royal Rumble where the winner gets a shot at her brand's title at Mania.
How it was announced aside, I'm pretty pumped about it
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 19, 2017 6:28:46 GMT -5
If they want to book her strong, Ronda takes the Royal Rumble. It will give them the buzz they desperately want.
Ronda wins Rumble. Faces Asuka at WrestleMania.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 19, 2017 7:07:15 GMT -5
I'd class myself as somewhat of a casual WWE fan these days. I rarely watch Raw or SmackDown anymore, I don't even watch every PPV. I saw that pic on Twitter and thought "that's f***ing stupid". And you wonder why WWE can't hold an audience anymore. This type of thing is symptomatic of their lazy, shoddy writing and only caring about the 'ends' and not the 'means'. Why should I care about this Absolution vs everyone else feud when the characters don't care either, and WWE are hitting me over the head with how it's all fake anyway? I know WWE is scripted, I know movies and TV shows are too, I don't want the characters telling me that during the performance. If people like breaking kayfabe or thought the emotion of the moment was worth it or whatever, that's their opinion. They're entitled to it and I respect it. But I thought it was shit, and that's my opinion that I'm entitled to. If that makes some angry negative Jim Cornette-wannabe killjoy who's ruining FAN, then I'm sorry.
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