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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 21, 2017 20:35:17 GMT -5
I can't see Disney but just imagine if Vince randomly sold the company off and didn't let Stephanie, Triple H, or Shane in on the deal. I agree with Meltzer, whoever'd buy it would probably still put Haitch in charge creatively (at least at first) because they'd realize he "gets it" as far as wrassling goes. Curious how many billions offered it'd take for Vince to sell.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 21, 2017 20:42:57 GMT -5
maybe he watched RAW for the first time in a while and figured it was for the best
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 21, 2017 20:49:55 GMT -5
If he sells to anyone, it'll just be to Stephanie.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 21, 2017 21:14:01 GMT -5
Disney is far more than Micky Mouse. Miramax, Marvel, ABC, ESPN, Star Wars are all under that umbrella. They could easily fit WWE in the family. With most of those, especially Marvel, Lucasfilm, The Muppets etc, there are at least things they can use to promote other products, make merchandise and use in theme parks. Muppets on Dancing on Ice etc. The only things WWE genuinely own are footage, gimmicks and names. That’s it. They don’t own likenesses, they don’t own anything with real substance to it. There’s no Iron Man or Hulk to promote in theme parks, just names of things they kinda sorta own. They’re not going to change Space Mountain to Survivor Series or Magic Kingdom to WrestleMania so most of what WWE owns is useless to them. You’re not going to see John Cena costumes in Disneyland because, well, John Cena’s a dude. They may own the name but they don’t own the guy. And WWE films is just that. Films. Sure, they could use the growing film library but again, that’s it. They can brag that they have part ownership of Surfs Up 2 for some reason. Also, as Plat mentioned, one bad PR story about the purchase and the deal goes kaput because all eyes will be on Disney wondering why the heck they brought this company with these skeletons. Shareholders’d hate it really damn quickly. On the other side, what WWE does have: 1) The footage is much more viable than you think. Pretty much ALL the pro wrestling footage that matters is a big thing...and continuing to get those things is a value to Disney, especially from the second part: 2) TV ratings value. WWE gives you 5-7 hours a week of TV that'll get good ratings. Even falling, WWE ratings are so high that in the last deal, USA would have instantly fallen from #1 cable network to #4 if WWE left them. As sports television continues to splinter and splinter off, and TV rights deals splinter and splinter off, locking up WWE for ESPN is a valuable asset for them...especially if Disney chooses to forsake the NFL because it's too expensive like rumors are in their next deal, giving them the perfect replacement for Monday Night Football. 3) Wrong, there IS something WWE can offer Disney for their theme parks...isn't there a kind of really big part of the WWE that's based in Orlando, Florida as we speak? You won't get name changes for Space Mountain or Magic Kingdom, and you won't get John Cena costumes in Disneyland...but you ABSOLUTELY would get "NXT tapings move from Full Sail to a soundstage on the Disney/MGM Studios grounds like WCW had with Worldwide"...which leads to more admissions to Walt Disney World by the people who'd go to Disney once a month just to see NXT."
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 21, 2017 21:16:28 GMT -5
Wrestling is Vince's life-why bother selling it now-he's too old to spend the money he already has
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Post by northernmonkey on Dec 21, 2017 21:45:04 GMT -5
Wrestling is Vince's life-why bother selling it now-he's too old to spend the money he already has The lad's a nutter
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 21, 2017 22:01:17 GMT -5
Here we go again with people putting out happy fantasies of Disney buying more things and owning more of the world. Twilight Zone. If Vince sells the company to anyone it has to be Comcast. WWE is has a long standing position in a lot of their programming. Disney isn't going to put WWE on Disney Channel or Disney XD and damn sure not on ABC or ESPN. 2) TV ratings value. WWE gives you 5-7 hours a week of TV that'll get good ratings. Even falling, WWE ratings are so high that in the last deal, USA would have instantly fallen from #1 cable network to #4 if WWE left them. As sports television continues to splinter and splinter off, and TV rights deals splinter and splinter off, locking up WWE for ESPN is a valuable asset for them...especially if Disney chooses to forsake the NFL because it's too expensive like rumors are in their next deal, giving them the perfect replacement for Monday Night Football. I can't imagine the amount of laughter from people if the announcement was made that Monday Night Football was being replaced with Phony Wrestling.
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Post by No One on Dec 21, 2017 22:07:31 GMT -5
He didn’t sell up; he bought in!
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 21, 2017 23:04:07 GMT -5
2) TV ratings value. WWE gives you 5-7 hours a week of TV that'll get good ratings. Even falling, WWE ratings are so high that in the last deal, USA would have instantly fallen from #1 cable network to #4 if WWE left them. As sports television continues to splinter and splinter off, and TV rights deals splinter and splinter off, locking up WWE for ESPN is a valuable asset for them...especially if Disney chooses to forsake the NFL because it's too expensive like rumors are in their next deal, giving them the perfect replacement for Monday Night Football. I can't imagine the amount of laughter from people if the announcement was made that Monday Night Football was being replaced with Phony Wrestling. Maybe people would laugh at Monday Night Football replaced by Phony Wrestling. What would be no joke? Monday Night Football- 17 weeks of great primetime ratings a week for one night a week. Monday Night Raw and Smackdown Live- 52 weeks of great primetime ratings twice a week, plus B-shows for more levels.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 21, 2017 23:09:08 GMT -5
I can't imagine the amount of laughter from people if the announcement was made that Monday Night Football was being replaced with Phony Wrestling. Maybe people would laugh at Monday Night Football replaced by Phony Wrestling. What would be no joke? Monday Night Football- 17 weeks of great primetime ratings a week for one night a week. Monday Night Raw and Smackdown Live- 52 weeks of great primetime ratings twice a week, plus B-shows for more levels. Don't act like MNF's audience is just going to start watching Wrestling just because it's on the channel football used to be on. And Football brings in way way way way way way WAY more lucrative sponsors. Which is a big chunk of what Executives care about.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 21, 2017 23:30:34 GMT -5
XFL part two will be a true trainwreck more so than the original.
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Post by flowercity on Dec 21, 2017 23:35:21 GMT -5
After this sale, Vince himself has nearly 83% of the voting power and nearly 42% of the common stock. What he sold today was only a little over 4% of WWE's overall common stock. If that is accurate, that means WWE is valued at over $2 billion. It is accurate. Which is why anyone who says WWE isn’t worth anything, or making money, is factually incorrect. It is finally making enough to meet the dividends again. Plus, the network is finally turning a profit right now. The stock is trading at around $32 with some prognosticators saying it has the possibility of getting to $37 after the new TV deal. That may be a bit bullish however. Regardless, be weary of those who say the WWE is in trouble right now. It is a statement based off nothing but opinion of creative. Which is definitely terrible. As for Vince getting back into football it - it makes no sense and i’m gonna love watching the ride. He’s never succeed outside wrestling and I doubt things change.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 21, 2017 23:38:11 GMT -5
Maybe people would laugh at Monday Night Football replaced by Phony Wrestling. What would be no joke? Monday Night Football- 17 weeks of great primetime ratings a week for one night a week. Monday Night Raw and Smackdown Live- 52 weeks of great primetime ratings twice a week, plus B-shows for more levels. Don't act like MNF's audience is just going to start watching Wrestling just because it's on the channel football used to be on. And Football brings in way way way way way way WAY more lucrative sponsors. Which is a big chunk of what Executives care about. I never said they WOULD watch wrestling just because it's on the channel football used to be on- but there is enough proof the MNF and Raw audiences overlap a LOT that it wouldn't be a total difference. And even if football has more lucrative sponsors, there's still the same point. 17 weeks of amazing ratings and 36 weeks of having to scramble for programming vs. 52 weeks of lower ratings, but still GOOD ratings, and being set for two nights a week of great ratings IS a good tradeoff.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 22, 2017 0:09:48 GMT -5
Don't act like MNF's audience is just going to start watching Wrestling just because it's on the channel football used to be on. And Football brings in way way way way way way WAY more lucrative sponsors. Which is a big chunk of what Executives care about. I never said they WOULD watch wrestling just because it's on the channel football used to be on- but there is enough proof the MNF and Raw audiences overlap a LOT that it wouldn't be a total difference. And even if football has more lucrative sponsors, there's still the same point. 17 weeks of amazing ratings and 36 weeks of having to scramble for programming vs. 52 weeks of lower ratings, but still GOOD ratings, and being set for two nights a week of great ratings IS a good tradeoff. Football in one season makes probably double if not triple what WWE does in ad revenue. Advertising money matters more than any ratings number especially in today's TV landscape. Its alllllll about money and Im sorry but theres no way in hell that any one looks at having the NFL or the WWE and chooses WWE.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 22, 2017 0:22:55 GMT -5
I would believe that when it happens. I can't imagine who would buy it, but Ted Turner would be hilarious. The only name I can think of, is Mark Cuban. No, he seems intent on helping New Japan with their stateside expansion.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Dec 22, 2017 0:33:20 GMT -5
I never said they WOULD watch wrestling just because it's on the channel football used to be on- but there is enough proof the MNF and Raw audiences overlap a LOT that it wouldn't be a total difference. And even if football has more lucrative sponsors, there's still the same point. 17 weeks of amazing ratings and 36 weeks of having to scramble for programming vs. 52 weeks of lower ratings, but still GOOD ratings, and being set for two nights a week of great ratings IS a good tradeoff. Football in one season makes probably double if not triple what WWE does in ad revenue. Advertising money matters more than any ratings number especially in today's TV landscape. Its alllllll about money and Im sorry but theres no way in hell that any one looks at having the NFL or the WWE and chooses WWE. After they see the rights fees they might.
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Post by Perd on Dec 22, 2017 0:41:12 GMT -5
At least one McMahon might be considering selling something.
*shoots sideways glance at Shane*
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 22, 2017 0:47:37 GMT -5
FAN can start a kickstarter project and pool all our money together to buy it! This is the most logical step after pizza oven.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 1:52:01 GMT -5
FAN can start a kickstarter project and pool all our money together to buy it! This is the most logical step after pizza oven. we are more likely to book Rice Flair then get McMahon's pool (the one he throws people in) or stake in WWE
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 22, 2017 2:07:03 GMT -5
Does anyone really think that Vince will sell the company instead of letting Stephanie or Shane take over? Come on now. Not mutually exclusive. If he sells it to anyone, it's going to be one or more of the Steph/Shane/HHH trio. That's the only way he sells it. Same way he bought out his dad.
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