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Post by eJm on Dec 26, 2017 19:29:33 GMT -5
Yeah, Wrestling isn’t bringing advertising to television. Changing where Wrestling is isn’t going to suddenly do that. Also, I ask again, what could a company promote with WWE besides the shows, their own IPs and TV/brand deals? Because outside of that stuff and a (shrinking) audience, WWE has nothing to offer a company. They don’t own wrestlers outright, only the gimmicks they have for, and even then, it’s only for their present wrestlers. So if Disney brought it and wanted to do a Jerry Lawler resteraunt (I know, I know), they couldn’t because Lawler owns all that stuff already himself. You're missing big picture. WWE would give something like facebook a shot at being a legitimate video provider. It's not necessarily about making a profit off of wrestling, but about bringing eyes to watching episodic original content on that platform... It’d be a bigger picture if it was something that, right now, was actually popular and could be built off. WWE is barely turning a profit, losing viewers by the year and stock’s dropping because its owner wants to try running a football league again for some reason. Less people’ll watch on Facebook Live than they are right now on USA, I guarantee it. And really, if Facebook wants a big thing to launch a video service with, I’d be looking at the eSports scene right now. Niche enough to not cost an arm and a leg, rapidly growing and in the case of League of Legends, can sell out massive venues.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 26, 2017 19:37:57 GMT -5
You're missing big picture. WWE would give something like facebook a shot at being a legitimate video provider. It's not necessarily about making a profit off of wrestling, but about bringing eyes to watching episodic original content on that platform... Just look at how big WWE's support made Tout! but fyi tout is pretty big...
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 26, 2017 23:14:26 GMT -5
You're missing big picture. WWE would give something like facebook a shot at being a legitimate video provider. It's not necessarily about making a profit off of wrestling, but about bringing eyes to watching episodic original content on that platform... It’d be a bigger picture if it was something that, right now, was actually popular and could be built off. WWE is barely turning a profit, losing viewers by the year and stock’s dropping because its owner wants to try running a football league again for some reason. Less people’ll watch on Facebook Live than they are right now on USA, I guarantee it. And really, if Facebook wants a big thing to launch a video service with, I’d be looking at the eSports scene right now. Niche enough to not cost an arm and a leg, rapidly growing and in the case of League of Legends, can sell out massive venues. E sports and the WWE are basically apples and oranges. Also people keep bringing up barely making a profit but they are kinda missing that if WWE is sold to something like facebook/disney the model would probably significantly change. Something like the WWE network would probably be phased out, they probably wouldn't do as many live events, wwe flims wouldn't be a thing, a lot of wrestlers would be let go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 23:19:55 GMT -5
Just imagine how fearful these wrestlers are at this. Sure, Vince is bad at times but imagine if your boss sold the company and imagine how secure they'd feel. Yikes.
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Post by eJm on Dec 27, 2017 2:16:03 GMT -5
It’d be a bigger picture if it was something that, right now, was actually popular and could be built off. WWE is barely turning a profit, losing viewers by the year and stock’s dropping because its owner wants to try running a football league again for some reason. Less people’ll watch on Facebook Live than they are right now on USA, I guarantee it. And really, if Facebook wants a big thing to launch a video service with, I’d be looking at the eSports scene right now. Niche enough to not cost an arm and a leg, rapidly growing and in the case of League of Legends, can sell out massive venues. E sports and the WWE are basically apples and oranges. Also people keep bringing up barely making a profit but they are kinda missing that if WWE is sold to something like facebook/disney the model would probably significantly change. Something like the WWE network would probably be phased out, they probably wouldn't do as many live events, wwe flims wouldn't be a thing, a lot of wrestlers would be let go. And this right there is why someone WON’T buy WWE. You would look foolish paying for a company that, reasonably, would be worth a couple of billion for what it has now and instead of figuring out ways to improve it, have to scrap a bunch of it because some of it doesn’t work. Disney buying Marvel, Pixar and Lucasfilm didn’t lead to that because a) they made money and b) the staff they had was good with what they wanted to progress with anyway. The very idea of buying something for a high price just to scrap entire departments, especially something with (and this needs to be said again), barely any asset value, would be astoundingly bad business.
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Post by slaughterama on Dec 27, 2017 3:51:19 GMT -5
For anyone to purchase WWE, I would imagine it would have to be a joint business venture. There are just too many streams you have to tap into to make the whole thing work. Sure someone like Facebook would love the content, but they have to have someone actually produce new content, not to mention they'd have to bring someone in to maximize the revenue to be made from merchandising. They'd need at least two or three other partners to make it work for them. It would be a massive endeavor that I'm not sure any party could make work unless you got it at a sweetheart price, which I doubt Vince would give.
When mentioning Disney, as much as Vince likes money, Disney IS money. They would, no doubt, make a fortune off of merchandising and the library, but they would gut production costs drastically, to the point where you probably wouldn't even recognize the product. Raw and SmackDown would be taped weeks in advance from Orlando. PPV's and live event dates slashed dramatically. It would be a bloodbath when it comes to talent and employee cuts.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 27, 2017 5:08:12 GMT -5
EA are interested. Watch this Aj styles match with the AJ Styles DLC.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 27, 2017 12:29:19 GMT -5
E sports and the WWE are basically apples and oranges. Also people keep bringing up barely making a profit but they are kinda missing that if WWE is sold to something like facebook/disney the model would probably significantly change. Something like the WWE network would probably be phased out, they probably wouldn't do as many live events, wwe flims wouldn't be a thing, a lot of wrestlers would be let go. And this right there is why someone WON’T buy WWE. You would look foolish paying for a company that, reasonably, would be worth a couple of billion for what it has now and instead of figuring out ways to improve it, have to scrap a bunch of it because some of it doesn’t work. Disney buying Marvel, Pixar and Lucasfilm didn’t lead to that because a) they made money and b) the staff they had was good with what they wanted to progress with anyway. The very idea of buying something for a high price just to scrap entire departments, especially something with (and this needs to be said again), barely any asset value, would be astoundingly bad business. Still missing the point. WWE's greatest asset is WWE. They get over 200 million visitors to their website, they get millions of people to d/l pointless apps to their smart phones, they get a bunch of people to spend $60 on barely upgraded x-box games, not to mention all the people who have made careers just talking about WWE. The reason why someone would buy wwe is the same reason why people continually invest in things like soundcloud, and snapchat even though they have done nothing but lose money since their existence. The idea is that they have a large amount of users which in the future could turn into profit. WWE.com has basically the same amount of users as soundcloud, but also has proven methods that have made significant amount of money.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 27, 2017 13:10:43 GMT -5
Disney buying Marvel, Pixar and Lucasfilm didn’t lead to that because a) they made money and b) the staff they had was good with what they wanted to progress with anyway. The very idea of buying something for a high price just to scrap entire departments, especially something with (and this needs to be said again), barely any asset value, would be astoundingly bad business. When Disney bought Marvel, the "core" of the company wasn't in a very great place because the whole of the comics industry is kind of super f***ing down across the board, and they were in a bit of a perilous place. But Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk had come out and turned a profit, and with the success of the Nolan Batman movies on the otherside they called the upward trend in comic book movies and nerd shit pretty well. Their IPs had definite value in terms of adapting them to fill out their channels with programming based on notable properties without the need to license anything out--since then they've got a million cartoons and multiple live action shows to that very effect--and got an in-house publisher who they can even have print up Disney comics (and they've done that too). Comic books might be a niche as f*** market that isn't in very good shape right now, but Marvel itself had lasting recognition and other things going on that could provide Disney with high enough profit margins to justify the purchase. Problem here is that WWE, being a niche product in not great shape themselves, don't really have anything else. Their main product is wrestling and everything they do is wrestling-centric, and even when they tried to put a lot of side things onto the network about wrestling history and develop side content that wasn't just straightforward wrestling, they ended up trimming almost all of it because reportedly it just wasn't getting any traction with anyone outside of the hardcore devotees. There's no side fringe element of the product that makes it more appealing to an audience outside of its core. Disney didn't buy Marvel to get into the comics business, they bought it because Marvel's assets had broader appeal outside of its struggling niche and Disney was smart enough to know there was a lot of money to be made there. WWE is only a wrestling product with almost nothing to appeal to people who don't want to watch wrestling, and if they're pulling razor thin profit margins through desperate spending and their TV ratings are sinking, then wanting to get into the wrestling business would be idiotic.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 27, 2017 15:41:14 GMT -5
Nobody wants to admit it, but WWE are still largely viewed as too trashy for a lot of companies.
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Post by Dang! on Dec 27, 2017 18:41:15 GMT -5
Nobody wants to admit it, but WWE are still largely viewed as too trashy for a lot of companies. Rightfully so.
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