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Post by Ganon83 on Dec 23, 2017 23:50:18 GMT -5
President of Netflix: god dammit is there anyone that works here who isn’t a slimy creep? Let's be honest Mr. Peanutbutter always seemed a little off
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 23, 2017 23:54:57 GMT -5
Probably the least surprising of all the names to come out. Always came off like a creepy untalented twat.
Thanks for making garbage movies (and youtube videos) and poisoning the pool for people that want to say anything critically about the Rey character. Go away forever.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Dec 24, 2017 0:07:34 GMT -5
Max Landis has always been kind of a sexist, borderline-misogynistic jerk. I'm really not surprised that someone with that little respect for women along with a massive sense of entitlement would be accused of sexual misconduct. Lest we forget that he threw a hissy fit about Rey from the new Star Wars trilogy being a Mary Sue. Hell, the whole "Mary Sue" thing is pretty sexist/misogynistic on its own rights. I mean, I've never seen or heard a male hero being described as a "Mary Sue." Their being perfect at every turn is just accepted without question, and yet when a female hero displays those same qualities, they're called "Mary Sue's," even to the point where it's become its own accepted thing in geek society. It's pretty shitty. The "Mary Sue" thing needs to die a well deserved death.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 24, 2017 1:11:47 GMT -5
Lest we forget that he threw a hissy fit about Rey from the new Star Wars trilogy being a Mary Sue. Hell, the whole "Mary Sue" thing is pretty sexist/misogynistic on its own rights. I mean, I've never seen or heard a male hero being described as a "Mary Sue." Their being perfect at every turn is just accepted without question, and yet when a female hero displays those same qualities, they're called "Mary Sue's," even to the point where it's become its own accepted thing in geek society. It's pretty shitty. The "Mary Sue" thing needs to die a well deserved death. Actually the male term for that trope is Gary Stu. Agreed that those terms get thrown around too often though. If someone, especially a woman, shows an ounce of competency that get labeled a Gary Stu or Mary Sue. As for Landis, he can get screwed if this is even remotely true. I have no patience for predators, well maybe the movie aliens, and this crap needs to go. The stories I'm hearing from the victims are horrifying to the point of being almost unbelievable someone would act in these manners.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Dec 24, 2017 2:01:02 GMT -5
Hell, the whole "Mary Sue" thing is pretty sexist/misogynistic on its own rights. I mean, I've never seen or heard a male hero being described as a "Mary Sue." Their being perfect at every turn is just accepted without question, and yet when a female hero displays those same qualities, they're called "Mary Sue's," even to the point where it's become its own accepted thing in geek society. It's pretty shitty. The "Mary Sue" thing needs to die a well deserved death. Actually the male term for that trope is Gary Stu. Agreed that those terms get thrown around too often though. If someone, especially a woman, shows an ounce of competency that get labeled a Gary Stu or Mary Sue. As for Landis, he can get screwed if this is even remotely true. I have no patience for predators, well maybe the movie aliens, and this crap needs to go. The stories I'm hearing from the victims are horrifying to the point of being almost unbelievable someone would act in these manners. Just out of curiosity, who would qualify as a "Gary Stu?"
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Post by eJm on Dec 24, 2017 2:12:47 GMT -5
Actually the male term for that trope is Gary Stu. Agreed that those terms get thrown around too often though. If someone, especially a woman, shows an ounce of competency that get labeled a Gary Stu or Mary Sue. As for Landis, he can get screwed if this is even remotely true. I have no patience for predators, well maybe the movie aliens, and this crap needs to go. The stories I'm hearing from the victims are horrifying to the point of being almost unbelievable someone would act in these manners. Just out of curiosity, who would qualify as a "Gary Stu?" I mean, Goku is the first person I think of instantly.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 24, 2017 2:20:07 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, who would qualify as a "Gary Stu?" I mean, Goku is the first person I think of instantly. Literally who I was going to say lol
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Dec 24, 2017 2:52:17 GMT -5
Actually the male term for that trope is Gary Stu. Agreed that those terms get thrown around too often though. If someone, especially a woman, shows an ounce of competency that get labeled a Gary Stu or Mary Sue. As for Landis, he can get screwed if this is even remotely true. I have no patience for predators, well maybe the movie aliens, and this crap needs to go. The stories I'm hearing from the victims are horrifying to the point of being almost unbelievable someone would act in these manners. Just out of curiosity, who would qualify as a "Gary Stu?" Any Steven Seagal role.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 24, 2017 3:05:49 GMT -5
Yeah I was about to say. Gary Stu’s are a thing.
Though the poster is kinda parroting exactly what Daisy Ridley said about any arguments against the Rey character are sexist. Which is some bullshit but not the place for that discussion.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 24, 2017 5:23:48 GMT -5
And Legion makes exactly the point I’ve tried to make in several of these threads. Careers and lives are being ruined here and no one seems to want to take even a second to ask if these claims can be verified. The rush to judgement and acting as if anyone wanting to apply scrutiny is complicit is how things like the “A Rape On Campus” story gets published. Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim? It has happened before. Brian Banks
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Post by eJm on Dec 24, 2017 5:33:22 GMT -5
Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim? It has happened before. Brian Banks Again, though, that’s one story. One out of the dozens of people we know about and the probable thousands we don’t. There are probably more but again, statistics have shown that those make a tiny percentage compared to the thousands of true sexual assault claims every year.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 24, 2017 6:03:44 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, who would qualify as a "Gary Stu?" I mean, Goku is the first person I think of instantly. Goku can't be a Gary Stu, he's died far too often for that. I do agree that "Mary Sue" can be, and is often used in a sexist context though. I'm not saying that overpowered characters don't exist. But Landis' arguments against Rey are easy to debunk.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 24, 2017 6:09:47 GMT -5
Actually the male term for that trope is Gary Stu. Agreed that those terms get thrown around too often though. If someone, especially a woman, shows an ounce of competency that get labeled a Gary Stu or Mary Sue. As for Landis, he can get screwed if this is even remotely true. I have no patience for predators, well maybe the movie aliens, and this crap needs to go. The stories I'm hearing from the victims are horrifying to the point of being almost unbelievable someone would act in these manners. Just out of curiosity, who would qualify as a "Gary Stu?" Wesley Crusher first season TNG.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 24, 2017 9:25:53 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, who would qualify as a "Gary Stu?" Wesley Crusher first season TNG. Wesley Crusher is the single most blatant Mary Sue of all time. created by one Gene WESLEY Roddenberry.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 24, 2017 13:09:39 GMT -5
The problem I have with "Mary Sue" is that the term completely got away from its original meaning (a blatantly perfect character who can do no wrong that A. makes otherwise very competent characters incompetent, B. with said characters marvel at how perfect the Mary Sue is, and C. is an author self-insert/wish fulfillment character) and got hijacked by lazy critics and sexists to apply to any female character who shows competence at traditionally male things.
Wesley Crusher is a huge gary stu, btw, especially in Season 1. Genius level intellect, serves as an acting bridge officer despite being underage and having yet to spend a single day in Starfleet Academy, is the chosen protege of some weird alien that can manipulate reality, and he got his name from Gene Roddenberry's middle name.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 24, 2017 15:35:31 GMT -5
The problem I have with "Mary Sue" is that the term completely got away from its original meaning (a blatantly perfect character who can do no wrong that A. makes otherwise very competent characters incompetent, B. with said characters marvel at how perfect the Mary Sue is, and C. is an author self-insert/wish fulfillment character) and got hijacked by lazy critics and sexists to apply to any female character who shows competence at traditionally male things. Wesley Crusher is a huge gary stu, btw, especially in Season 1. Genius level intellect, serves as an acting bridge officer despite being underage and having yet to spend a single day in Starfleet Academy, is the chosen protege of some weird alien that can manipulate reality, and he got his name from Gene Roddenberry's middle name. Wesley wasnt realy a bridge officer in Season 1 if I recall correct. Geordi was the helmsman. Whats funny to me was when Wes did become a bridge officer in Season 2 he was toned way down as a Gary Stu and became a pretty good character for the rest of the IMO. As for Rey being a Mary Sue I think it is just a different way of making movies now. In 1977 it was great for Luke to learn enough of the Force to use his instincts to guide his torpedo shot and blow up the Death Star. Now if Rey wasnt doing the mind trick and doing all the other awesome Jedi stuff by the end of the movie people would bored with her or say shes not good enough. And they may have been overcompensating some to make the woman just as good as the men even in areas where she should not have been. Plus I think JJ is just a weak storyteller overall. Maybe we should start a Mary Sue thread though.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 24, 2017 16:08:26 GMT -5
Practically all of Roddenberry's decisions on TNG were shit before they were corrected by the rest of his production staff. Unfortunately Wesley was the the bone they had to toss him in order to keep him quiet. It's no coincidence that TNG vastly improved when he croaked. They should have learned the lessons Paramount's movie division learned after The Motion Picture, when they removed him from any influence over The Wrath of Khan and boy did it show.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 24, 2017 16:20:35 GMT -5
I'd say Max has brought disgrace to his family name with his actions, but John Landis himself already beat him to the punch on that 35 years ago.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 24, 2017 16:35:29 GMT -5
And Legion makes exactly the point I’ve tried to make in several of these threads. Careers and lives are being ruined here and no one seems to want to take even a second to ask if these claims can be verified. The rush to judgement and acting as if anyone wanting to apply scrutiny is complicit is how things like the “A Rape On Campus” story gets published. Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim? There has been in the past. Sometimes people have a grudge,sometimes it is blackmail ,sometimes you just wanna get his position , sometimes you slept with the person and wants no one to find out. It has happened before and will happen again. But it happens in a MUCH lesser scale than actual sexual assault. And really it is tough,it is not something easy to prove in some cases. Many cases what you have left is he says she says and that will favour the "innocent until proven guilty".
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 24, 2017 17:07:49 GMT -5
The problem I have with "Mary Sue" is that the term completely got away from its original meaning (a blatantly perfect character who can do no wrong that A. makes otherwise very competent characters incompetent, B. with said characters marvel at how perfect the Mary Sue is, and C. is an author self-insert/wish fulfillment character) and got hijacked by lazy critics and sexists to apply to any female character who shows competence at traditionally male things. Wesley Crusher is a huge gary stu, btw, especially in Season 1. Genius level intellect, serves as an acting bridge officer despite being underage and having yet to spend a single day in Starfleet Academy, is the chosen protege of some weird alien that can manipulate reality, and he got his name from Gene Roddenberry's middle name. It is frustrating that Mary Sue has come to mean just about any strong female character you don't like, especially if they're the designated hero. Now, if you want a real Mary Sue, I'd say Wesley Crusher or Alice from the Resident Evil film series, aka the living Macguffin/deus ex machina that actually does render many of the original characters (a lot of them women themselves) completely useless, and who, while not an author self-insert, was clearly created for the author's wife.
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