Miz on what fired him up for his Talking Smack promo w/Bryan

[héad.casé]

What led to the Talking Smack segment where he went off on Daniel Bryan:

"There were a lot of emotions going on here. This wasn't just to Daniel; this was like, to everyone. I unleashed a lot because Creative had nothing for me that day, and I went, 'What?' They were like 'Yeah, you're not on the show tonight.' What do you mean I'm not on the show? I'm the Intercontinental Champion. They were like, 'Yeah, but we're introducing new titles, we're introducing the new Tag Team Titles and the new SmackDown Women's Title, and so, we don't have room for the Intercontinental Championship.' I was like 'Wait a second, you're introducing new titles, but what about the rich history of this title? The title that you guys just keep throwing back, and throwing back, and throwing back. Burying it, burying it, and burying it, and I'm sick [of it].' I was so aggravated, I was so sick of it. And I was like, 'Put me on Talking Smack tonight, I'm going to unleash havoc on everything and everyone.'"

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[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

That promo saved his career. He had been irrelevant for a couple of years after the disastrous face turn.

[BRAINFADE]

Why does it seem like every good thing that comes out of this company is born out of something utter shit?

[fw91]

Dec 23, 2017 13:15:04 GMT -5 BRAINFADE said:

Why does it seem like every good thing that comes out of this company is born out of something utter shit?

because everything good is organic and comes from real frustration

[FinalGwen]

Lol at WWE not being able to fit 3 titles into 2 hours.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

“Don’t know what to do with the IC title, nothing’s coming to me. Let’s introduce new champions out of whole cloth!!! That’ll buy us like 2 weeks of shitty stories!”

“I’ll call Vince!”

-Overheard at WWE creative.

[Deputy Muscle]

How crap is the writing of shows if they can't get a storyline for the brands number two title?
They've been doing this for 20 plus years and still can't figure out how to write a 2/3 hour show!

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 23, 2017 13:20:05 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Dec 23, 2017 13:15:04 GMT -5 BRAINFADE said:

Why does it seem like every good thing that comes out of this company is born out of something utter shit?

because everything good is organic and comes from real frustration

Absolutely.

Austin grew frustrated because Vince told the inner circle that Steve would never be a star because of his southern accent. Bruce Prichard even told the story that when the Ringmaster debuted with Ted Dibiase, that Vince ordered Bruce to not give the mic to Austin so he wouldn't talk. That frustration fueled Austin.

The Rock apparently wasn't supposed to be a main eventer, during that time Vince proclaimed backstage that every effort should be put on Mark Henry because he was gonna be the future of the company, lol that turned out well. Rock also grew frustrated.

When John Cena met Vince, McMahon later told Prichard to take that steroid freak out of his building, then no effort was put on John, he also became frustrated.

Seems that to achieve things in the wwe you have to become pissed off and stop caring if you get fired.

[thecrusherwi]

Dec 23, 2017 17:50:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 23, 2017 13:20:05 GMT -5 fw91 said:

because everything good is organic and comes from real frustration

Absolutely.

Austin grew frustrated because Vince told the inner circle that Steve would never be a star because of his southern accent. Bruce Prichard even told the story that when the Ringmaster debuted with Ted Dibiase, that Vince ordered Bruce to not give the mic to Austin so he wouldn't talk. That frustration fueled Austin.

The Rock apparently wasn't supposed to be a main eventer, during that time Vince proclaimed backstage that every effort should be put on Mark Henry because he was gonna be the future of the company, lol that turned out well. Rock also grew frustrated.

When John Cena met Vince, McMahon later told Prichard to take that steroid freak out of his building, then no effort was put on John, he also became frustrated.

Seems that to achieve things in the wwe you have to become pissed off and stop caring if you get fired.

When you list examples like these, it makes you legitimately wonder which big stars Vince was actually right about. Hogan maybe, but he had already been in Rocky. It wasn't hard to see he'd be big. Shawn Michaels and Brett Hart had to beg for years to get a chance to main event.

Undertaker. That's about it In terms of guys that Vince built from nothing and pushed correctly. Maybe Kane too. Everyone else was a combo of dumb luck and determination to diverge from the path Vince wanted for them.

[The Rick Jericho]

The Intercontinental title should be #2 in this fn company. But these idiots constantly do not see it.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 23, 2017 18:07:17 GMT -5 thecrusherwi said:

Dec 23, 2017 17:50:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Absolutely.

Austin grew frustrated because Vince told the inner circle that Steve would never be a star because of his southern accent. Bruce Prichard even told the story that when the Ringmaster debuted with Ted Dibiase, that Vince ordered Bruce to not give the mic to Austin so he wouldn't talk. That frustration fueled Austin.

The Rock apparently wasn't supposed to be a main eventer, during that time Vince proclaimed backstage that every effort should be put on Mark Henry because he was gonna be the future of the company, lol that turned out well. Rock also grew frustrated.

When John Cena met Vince, McMahon later told Prichard to take that steroid freak out of his building, then no effort was put on John, he also became frustrated.

Seems that to achieve things in the wwe you have to become pissed off and stop caring if you get fired.

When you list examples like these, it makes you legitimately wonder which big stars Vince was actually right about. Hogan maybe, but he had already been in Rocky. It wasn't hard to see he'd be big. Shawn Michaels and Brett Hart had to beg for years to get a chance to main event.

Undertaker. That's about it In terms of guys that Vince built from nothing and pushed correctly. Maybe Kane too. Everyone else was a combo of dumb luck and determination to diverge from the path Vince wanted for them.

Funnily enough Bruce Prichard talked to Vince about Mean Mark Callous in wcw about bringing him to the wwf in the future, but McMahon rejected it because apparently he only saw a red haired guy that didn't have star potential. Bruce had to pitch for Vince to meet Mark and then when seeing a picture, McMahon mentioned to Bruce that Mark looked like an old time Undertaker who appeared in the western movies.

Another guy Vince didn't want to meet? Mick Foley...

As a promoter Vince is the best ever, as a judge of talent he's the shits.

["Magic" Mark Hurr]

Some crazy stories in here.

I could only imagine being a midcard champion and coming to the show only to be told that creative had nothing for me that night. That's just unacceptable. Every f***ing week we have to endure some asinine garbage that was given waaay too much time, but they don't have time for an actual title holder or and angle to push forward a fued with that title holder. I try to break things down to their simplest form using basic story telling methods. It's not complicated. You should never have an instance where creative shrugs their shoulders when someone who holds a title ask, "What do you have for me tonight?"

You know what. It's Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and every holiday in between. Let me calm down before i start screaming like Alvarez.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Dec 23, 2017 17:50:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

The Rock apparently wasn't supposed to be a main eventer, during that time Vince proclaimed backstage that every effort should be put on Mark Henry because he was gonna be the future of the company, lol that turned out well. Rock also grew frustrated.

Rock was brought in to be a main eventer, as Vince totally fell in love with him based on his look and his family heritage, but the honeymoon was quickly over when Blue-Tassled, Chia Pet-Haired, White Meat Babyface Rocky Maivia failed to catch on, which was when Rock's frustration set in and Vince just saw him as another failed experiment.

The only Vince "success" that I can think of is Warrior. Vince brought him in and pushed him to the moon based on his look, and while Warrior did become a main eventer and a legend in the business, his underwhelming drawing power is a big negative factor.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 24, 2017 1:11:09 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Dec 23, 2017 17:50:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

The Rock apparently wasn't supposed to be a main eventer, during that time Vince proclaimed backstage that every effort should be put on Mark Henry because he was gonna be the future of the company, lol that turned out well. Rock also grew frustrated.

Rock was brought in to be a main eventer, as Vince totally fell in love with him based on his look and his family heritage, but the honeymoon was quickly over when Blue-Tassled, Chia Pet-Haired, White Meat Babyface Rocky Maivia failed to catch on, which was when Rock's frustration set in and Vince just saw him as another failed experiment.

The only Vince "success" that I can think of is Warrior. Vince brought him in and pushed him to the moon based on his look, and while Warrior did become a main eventer and a legend in the business, his underwhelming drawing power is a big negative factor.

Well according to Bruce Prichard, Vince didn't see Rock as a main eventer, that Mark Henry was the future.

[Mozenrath]

I remember that promo getting brought up to me by some people who weren't even wrestling fans. It was just that intense to where people who wouldn't normally give a shit in some cases saw it.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Dec 24, 2017 1:16:35 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 24, 2017 1:11:09 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Rock was brought in to be a main eventer, as Vince totally fell in love with him based on his look and his family heritage, but the honeymoon was quickly over when Blue-Tassled, Chia Pet-Haired, White Meat Babyface Rocky Maivia failed to catch on, which was when Rock's frustration set in and Vince just saw him as another failed experiment.

The only Vince "success" that I can think of is Warrior. Vince brought him in and pushed him to the moon based on his look, and while Warrior did become a main eventer and a legend in the business, his underwhelming drawing power is a big negative factor.

Well according to Bruce Prichard, Vince didn't see Rock as a main eventer, that Mark Henry was the future.

Problem is, Bruce has told it both ways. Mark Henry was always supposed to be a main eventer irregardless of Rock, but Vince went gaga over Rock when he first saw him, hence why they pushed him so hard off the bat despite him being so stupidly green.

It makes for a better story if Rock had to win Vince over from the start, which is the second version Bruce has told.

[Dub H]

Dec 23, 2017 17:50:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 23, 2017 13:20:05 GMT -5 fw91 said:

because everything good is organic and comes from real frustration

Absolutely.

Austin grew frustrated because Vince told the inner circle that Steve would never be a star because of his southern accent. Bruce Prichard even told the story that when the Ringmaster debuted with Ted Dibiase, that Vince ordered Bruce to not give the mic to Austin so he wouldn't talk. That frustration fueled Austin.

The Rock apparently wasn't supposed to be a main eventer, during that time Vince proclaimed backstage that every effort should be put on Mark Henry because he was gonna be the future of the company, lol that turned out well. Rock also grew frustrated.

When John Cena met Vince, McMahon later told Prichard to take that steroid freak out of his building, then no effort was put on John, he also became frustrated.

Seems that to achieve things in the wwe you have to become pissed off and stop caring if you get fired.

Lets not forget daniel bryan which had his giantic moments because THE FANS got frustated.

And that was also only because CM Punk got frustated and left.

And the Pipe Bomb was basically all of CM Punk real life frustations.



At least i'm sure Roman Reigns is not frustated!

[mrbananagrabber]

You can add the Shield to this list; they only became one of the greatest factions after refusing to adhere to creatives bullshit. If only the Nexus had done the same.

[sfvega]

Yeah, it's hard to really buy that Rock and Cena were written off that badly by Vince. We've seen guys REALLY written off by Vince and it doesn't go that well. Except Austin, and that was a combination of him just being too tenacious to deny and the fact that Vince was finally losing a war. The other two I'm sure Vince was high on before their star started to shine.

Also, just my opinion, but I never really saw what was that great in that Miz promo.

[The Rick Jericho]

Dec 24, 2017 5:09:07 GMT -5 mrbananagrabber said:

You can add the Shield to this list; they only became one of the greatest factions after refusing to adhere to creatives bullshit. If only the Nexus had done the same.

None of the NXT guys had the balls. None. Young? Slater? Gabriel? Bryan was fired. Skip? Barrett? Otunga? All guys who had no spine creatively. They couldn't stand up to Cena and that was it.