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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 27, 2017 20:50:17 GMT -5
I think the rumor was that they were gonna induct General fn Adnan next year. That would be the worst inductee ever. Like the bar would be so low that Carlito and Mr Kennedy become candidates hahah Adnan Al-Kassie also wrestled as Billy White Wolf and held the WWWF tag team belts with Chief Jay Strongbow. He also brought the WWWF to various locations in the Middle East during the 70's, challenged for tag team championships in Japan and feuded with top talent in New Japan. He had a long run in the 80's in the AWA as a wrestler and then primarily as one of the top heel managers along with Bobby Heenan. Kassie managed Ken Patera, Jerry Blackwell, Bruiser Brody and other top heels in the AWA. So explain to me why this would be the worst inductee ever, please? He also headlined the two biggest wrestling shows in history against Andre, with bigger attendance numbers than even the North Korea show. Now, granted, the attendance was mandatory for Iraqi citizens (similar to the Korea deal), but they were still the two biggest shows in history.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 27, 2017 20:52:41 GMT -5
Adnan Al-Kassie also wrestled as Billy White Wolf and held the WWWF tag team belts with Chief Jay Strongbow. He also brought the WWWF to various locations in the Middle East during the 70's, challenged for tag team championships in Japan and feuded with top talent in New Japan. He had a long run in the 80's in the AWA as a wrestler and then primarily as one of the top heel managers along with Bobby Heenan. Kassie managed Ken Patera, Jerry Blackwell, Bruiser Brody and other top heels in the AWA. So explain to me why this would be the worst inductee ever, please? He also headlined the two biggest wrestling shows in history against Andre, with bigger attendance numbers than even the North Korea show. Now, granted, the attendance was mandatory for Iraqi citizens (similar to the Korea deal), but they were still the two biggest shows in history. Watch Andre or die damn that's scary.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 27, 2017 20:55:07 GMT -5
I share the opinion expressed by Ricky Steamboat in the awa documentary. That he didn't believe Verne Gagne should be in the wwe hall of fame because Verne wasn't known for even wrestling in that territory except for a couple of matches. There's already the observer hall of fame and the cauliflower alley club, they honor talent based on their whole resume, I believe the wwe hall of fame should only honor talent based on what they did in the wwe. Koko was a huge draw and star in Memphis and other territories, but in the wwf he was above a jobber, not exactly wwe hall of fame material but he definitely deserves a spot in other halls of fame. Sting shouldn't also be in the wwe hall of fame in my opinion, if you really think about it, the guy only had two matches in the wwe. But that's not what WWE is now. They own the world of wrestling. Thus, accomplishments in that world should be recognized. It's interesting that they now decide to honor work in other wrestling companies when recently Bruce Prichard and Tony Schiavone said that Vince despises anything other than the wwe product. Bruce even said that the reason Kevin Dunn mocks rasslin is because he was thought by Vince that anything that isn't wwe is garbage.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 27, 2017 22:22:10 GMT -5
Adnan Al-Kassie also wrestled as Billy White Wolf and held the WWWF tag team belts with Chief Jay Strongbow. He also brought the WWWF to various locations in the Middle East during the 70's, challenged for tag team championships in Japan and feuded with top talent in New Japan. He had a long run in the 80's in the AWA as a wrestler and then primarily as one of the top heel managers along with Bobby Heenan. Kassie managed Ken Patera, Jerry Blackwell, Bruiser Brody and other top heels in the AWA. So explain to me why this would be the worst inductee ever, please? Whoa I didn't know Sheik Adnan had another gimmick and was in the wwwf, I thought he had been all of his life in the AWA and then had the brief wwf run in the 90s. Ok I concede, Adnan ain't the worst. He's below Koko but above Johnny Rodz and James Dudley. Johnny Rodz is one of the best trainers in wrestling for a long time. James Dudley,iirc,was one of the first if not first African American promoters in pro wrestling. Want to say Vince's father put James in charge of one of WWWF'S loops.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 27, 2017 22:27:40 GMT -5
Whoa I didn't know Sheik Adnan had another gimmick and was in the wwwf, I thought he had been all of his life in the AWA and then had the brief wwf run in the 90s. Ok I concede, Adnan ain't the worst. He's below Koko but above Johnny Rodz and James Dudley. Johnny Rodz is one of the best trainers in wrestling for a long time. James Dudley,iirc,was one of the first if not first African American promoters in pro wrestling. Want to say Vince's father put James in charge of one of WWWF'S loops. Rodz is the same guy who told Mick Foley he was never gonna make it. Yeah Dudley is known for his contributions backstage then let's put in Kevin Dunn. The hof should be only for wrestlers. Who the f*** I'm I kidding the wwe hall of fame is complete bullshit, it's based on the whims of a senile psycho. At least the observer has a voting selection. Apparently the first couple of years McMahon handed out ballots but got pissed off when everyone kept voting for Macho Man and Dusty so he cancelled it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 27, 2017 22:50:02 GMT -5
But that's not what WWE is now. They own the world of wrestling. Thus, accomplishments in that world should be recognized. It's interesting that they now decide to honor work in other wrestling companies when recently Bruce Prichard and Tony Schiavone said that Vince despises anything other than the wwe product. Bruce even said that the reason Kevin Dunn mocks rasslin is because he was thought by Vince that anything that isn't wwe is garbage. Bruce and Tony have somewhat misread Vince during their years with him. He doesn't despise wrestling, he is just so single-minded in reason-for-being that unless it's something affecting his own company, he doesn't have time for anything else; it's nothing to him, so it is literally nothing to him. Dude was a fan before he even met his father, his favorite was Dr. Jerry Graham. He's only concerned about the WWE; he has no room in his thoughts for any of the others, until they're a problem. And here's another way to take it - even if you view his end-goal as pure capitalism, he now owns the history, footage and legacy of something like two dozen other promotions. He's where their paths lead now and they're part of his company now. If it's his and he can make money off of it, it's wwe product.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 28, 2017 0:37:17 GMT -5
It's interesting that they now decide to honor work in other wrestling companies when recently Bruce Prichard and Tony Schiavone said that Vince despises anything other than the wwe product. Bruce even said that the reason Kevin Dunn mocks rasslin is because he was thought by Vince that anything that isn't wwe is garbage. Bruce and Tony have somewhat misread Vince during their years with him. He doesn't despise wrestling, he is just so single-minded in reason-for-being that unless it's something affecting his own company, he doesn't have time for anything else; it's nothing to him, so it is literally nothing to him. Dude was a fan before he even met his father, his favorite was Dr. Jerry Graham. He's only concerned about the WWE; he has no room in his thoughts for any of the others, until they're a problem. And here's another way to take it - even if you view his end-goal as pure capitalism, he now owns the history, footage and legacy of something like two dozen other promotions. He's where their paths lead now and they're part of his company now. If it's his and he can make money off of it, it's wwe product. Well Bruce was there for more than 20 years and when he pitched wrestlers from other companies like Mick Foley, Vince told him that he wasn't interested in that dirty rassler. There were other ocasiones when they pitched the war games match that McMahon hated anything related with wcw. He was a fan of Graham while he was a kid but once he started working with his father he became consumed in the wwe bubble. The guy only cares about it and anything else that's wrestling is an inferior product.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 9:17:07 GMT -5
Sting shouldn't also be in the wwe hall of fame in my opinion, if you really think about it, the guy only had two matches in the wwe. Trust me, I don't think anyone wants to think about either of those 2 matches he had in the WWE.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 9:31:28 GMT -5
Johnny Rodz is one of the best trainers in wrestling for a long time. James Dudley,iirc,was one of the first if not first African American promoters in pro wrestling. Want to say Vince's father put James in charge of one of WWWF'S loops. Rodz is the same guy who told Mick Foley he was never gonna make it. Yeah Dudley is known for his contributions backstage then let's put in Kevin Dunn. The hof should be only for wrestlers. Who the f*** I'm I kidding the wwe hall of fame is complete bullshit, it's based on the whims of a senile psycho. At least the observer has a voting selection. Apparently the first couple of years McMahon handed out ballots but got pissed off when everyone kept voting for Macho Man and Dusty so he cancelled it. And Vince and Bischoff saw nothing in Austin. That doesn't change the fact Rodz is a hugely respected trainer. And Dunn probably should go in, as should a number of backstage guys.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 28, 2017 9:52:46 GMT -5
Guys all Hall of Fames are bullshit. The MLB HOF put in Jack Morris and Alan Trammell before Marvin Miller and Dick Allen, Morten Anderson is in the Hall of Fame before Brian Dawkins, the less said about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Hell, look at the Observer Hall of Fame, where guys like Junkyard Dog and Gorilla Monsoon arn't in because Dave knocked the living shit out of them back in the day.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 28, 2017 10:19:47 GMT -5
Drew Carey et al is where the issues lie. I have no issues with celebrities going in as long as they go into their designated wing.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 28, 2017 10:27:21 GMT -5
But that's not what WWE is now. They own the world of wrestling. Thus, accomplishments in that world should be recognized. It's interesting that they now decide to honor work in other wrestling companies when recently Bruce Prichard and Tony Schiavone said that Vince despises anything other than the wwe product. Bruce even said that the reason Kevin Dunn mocks rasslin is because he was thought by Vince that anything that isn't wwe is garbage. Prichard is full of shit. If this were even remotely true, half of the non-WWE people would not even be in the HOF. I think Vince has more respect for the old days than people give him credit for.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Dec 28, 2017 11:31:52 GMT -5
Guys all Hall of Fames are bullshit. The MLB HOF put in Jack Morris and Alan Trammell before Marvin Miller and Dick Allen, Morten Anderson is in the Hall of Fame before Brian Dawkins, the less said about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Hell, look at the Observer Hall of Fame, where guys like Junkyard Dog and Gorilla Monsoon arn't in because Dave knocked the living shit out of them back in the day. No way is Allen more worthy than Trammell. Allen is the epitome of borderline
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 28, 2017 11:44:27 GMT -5
Why do people like to pretend that the WWE Hall of Fame has any sort of legitimate critiria for entry other than Vince wants to? Is it so they can be faux mad online when the annual class is released? It gets wrestlers one more night in front of the fans at a major arena. Letting people in doesn't hurt anybody. Just accept it for what it is.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 28, 2017 12:18:04 GMT -5
Guys all Hall of Fames are bullshit. The MLB HOF put in Jack Morris and Alan Trammell before Marvin Miller and Dick Allen, Morten Anderson is in the Hall of Fame before Brian Dawkins, the less said about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Hell, look at the Observer Hall of Fame, where guys like Junkyard Dog and Gorilla Monsoon arn't in because Dave knocked the living shit out of them back in the day. No way is Allen more worthy than Trammell. Allen is the epitome of borderline From 64-73 Allen led baseball with an adjusted OPS+ of 165. His career adjusted OPS+ is higher than Hank Aaron, Frank Thomas, Willie McCovey, Willie Stargel, Jim Thome, and Joe DiMaggio. Allen had a .912 career OPS (On Base Percentage + Slugging Percentage) obtained during a severely depressed offensive era. The only player with a higher OPS during Allen's career was Aaron (.917). Seven times, he finished in the top three in the league in slugging. But Dick Allen didn't kiss the media's ass, so he's not in the Hall of Fame.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 28, 2017 14:03:17 GMT -5
The WWE Hall is a work, guys
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 28, 2017 14:37:48 GMT -5
Lets not slander the absolutely deserving Beth Phoenix here who carried the women's division across two generations and gave us the I Quit match with Melina, the Survivor Series match with Eve (that had the most insane bump a woman's match had at that point this decade), the stellar farewell match with Nattie, the pairing with Santino (Which was the best part of Raw for a while) and really bridged the gap for the WWE women's divisions today. Only reason she went that early is because WWE likes to induct superstars as close to their hometowns as possible, and no Mania is headed to New York any time soon. That, and I still say there's kind of a stalling tactic going on there. Didn't she come the year after Jacqueline, or vice versa? It's like they were thinking of every woman wrestler who also got into matches with men before Chyna. And I say this as not really a Chyna fan.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 28, 2017 17:18:39 GMT -5
Lets not slander the absolutely deserving Beth Phoenix here who carried the women's division across two generations and gave us the I Quit match with Melina, the Survivor Series match with Eve (that had the most insane bump a woman's match had at that point this decade), the stellar farewell match with Nattie, the pairing with Santino (Which was the best part of Raw for a while) and really bridged the gap for the WWE women's divisions today. Only reason she went that early is because WWE likes to induct superstars as close to their hometowns as possible, and no Mania is headed to New York any time soon. That, and I still say there's kind of a stalling tactic going on there. Didn't she come the year after Jacqueline, or vice versa? It's like they were thinking of every woman wrestler who also got into matches with men before Chyna. And I say this as not really a Chyna fan. I don't think that's stalling really. Jacquline is a Texas native and more than deserved a Hall of Fame spot, that only made sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 18:32:16 GMT -5
Why do people like to pretend that the WWE Hall of Fame has any sort of legitimate critiria for entry other than Vince wants to? This. Actually, there may even be some people added that he doesn't necessarily want to, but others in the company talk him into, with the goal of selling tickets to the live Hall of Fame event that they sell tickets to. It's a show they put on, just without people actually bumping in a ring. They book who they want for it to sell tickets, usually based on which city they are in that year more than anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 12:55:56 GMT -5
Johnny Rodz & Larry Sharpe (there's a name that should go in that isn't) were Vince Senior's go-to guys. If he wanted to see if you had a future in the company, you faced them first. If you couldn't have a good match with either one of them, then you were told it probably wasn't going to work out.
Now, listening to the Titans of Wrestling, they discussed the first 4 years of the HOF. If you look at it, the majority of the guys enshrined were either: 1) people who were working for them in some capacity at the time, or, 2) people who lived nearby that was a part of their inner circle way back when. (Yes, I forgot Andre & Rocca, who were both dead by the time they got in.)
Really, the only people I'm surprised still aren't in from that era are SD Jones & Tony Garea.
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