Urethra Franklin
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 26, 2017 22:48:04 GMT -5
Is it because he speaks with an accent?
Is it because Old Man Vince thinks his wife is too attractive for him?
It’s not because he doesn’t connect with the audience because week in, week out, the crowds are going nuts for him.
This company is incapable of striking when the iron is hot, like holy hell.
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Post by tankisfreemason on Dec 26, 2017 22:52:29 GMT -5
It’s seriously insane. He’s been Getting his own stuff over for a long time now and whoever it was in the back found ways to sabotage it each time. I’m still upset about them killing off Handsome Rusev. It’s great Rusev finds a way to recover, and get more over, each time.
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Post by Tenshigure on Dec 26, 2017 22:55:39 GMT -5
Aside from Andre, I can't think of a single non-North American who was ever even close to being a top babyface for the WWE to be honest...
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 26, 2017 23:01:29 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over.
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Urethra Franklin
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 26, 2017 23:06:23 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. Perhaps, “top” is hyperbole. A top babyface or at least a guy whose push is commensurate with how over he is.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Dec 26, 2017 23:07:42 GMT -5
I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. Woo woo woo...you know it!
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Dec 26, 2017 23:10:36 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. They should find a way to capitalize on these guy's overness instead of resenting them and trying to transfer their heat onto someone else. If the fans generally want to cheer them, put them against people they want to boo. If the fans sour on a person, move on. Things find a way to cone back around. How many degrees do you need to figure this out.
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Post by Pensacola Tableheads on Dec 26, 2017 23:13:05 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. There also is no need for top of the COMPANY. Top of a BRAND, yes. But we're way past the whole idea of someone being the biggest in the COMPANY, and WWE seems to realize that even if it's not always executed as well.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 26, 2017 23:17:17 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. Perhaps, “top” is hyperbole. A top babyface or at least a guy whose push is commensurate with how over he is. Fair enough. It's just a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy thing, you know? "Nobody cares about the midcard"... Well, of course they won't if you move anyone they start to care about away from it.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 26, 2017 23:25:06 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. True, but when the biggest star of the 90's calls you the best natural worker on the full time roster, it's gotta mean something. Rusev legitimately has every single tool to be the top guy. Ring work, charisma, mic skills, size, look, audience connection. He has everything.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 26, 2017 23:42:31 GMT -5
Too Russian. {Spoiler} Vince told him to take it slower but no one listens to him. Just like when he compared Cesaro's game to some cheese. Someday, someone will take Vince's words to heart.
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Post by freeze Austin on Dec 27, 2017 0:39:30 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. The crowd tonight was wanting Rusev to win the U.S. Title tournament, then when that was ruled out they wanted Rusev Day to win the tag title shot. That's the definition of being over at different levels that had nothing to do with main event or top guy status. I know "wait and see," but sometimes they really do need to strike while the iron is hot. Maybe they've got a big chase planned and it's going to be great (or a Daniel Bryan thing where it's not planned but the audience makes it the plan and it still miraculously works). Or maybe the crowd will lose faith and interest in him if he keeps losing week after week (at least he hasn't been eating pins), realizing the guy isn't a "star" in WWE's eyes like so many others before him that the crowd latched on to only to be told "No no, they're just here to get more important people over."
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 27, 2017 0:57:40 GMT -5
Aside from Andre, I can't think of a single non-North American who was ever even close to being a top babyface for the WWE to be honest... Well, if we go by entire company history:
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 27, 2017 2:08:19 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. In order for that to happen the company has to realize they don't need a Top Guy and can start booking to a point of equality where it feels like everything matters and no one is being buried to the point where whenever anyone is getting some sort of crowd reaction after months of being ice cold from booking, they seize at it and beg WWE not to blow it again like they usually inevitably do. This is just as much on WWE's heads as it is any paranoid fan who jumps at the idea to get someone in a comfortable position, because it just seems so few and far between with no middle ground in WWE land these days...
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Dec 27, 2017 3:26:18 GMT -5
As long as they don't wait too too long to strap up RuRu, he'll be fine. Happy Rusev Day!
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Dec 27, 2017 4:04:08 GMT -5
I'm with the "doesn't need to be THE guy" thinking.
But, when they actively sabatoge a guy because he's not what the office wants, it's perplexing.
I mean, for example - Why couldn't we have Bad News Barrett doing his shtick, and getting those reactions in the midcard and see if it would have sustained? But, no. They had him stop doing it.
Let the midcard be a testing ground, and see if the guy can make it work long term. Don't take stuff away from the guys just because YOU don't like it ("you" being the WWE brass).
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Post by PTBartman on Dec 27, 2017 5:41:54 GMT -5
I love Rusev, I really do, but shouldn't the goal be having all levels of the roster be over like this, not just moving everyone to the top part of it? That's not to say Rusev doesn't deserve that opportunity, but I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. They should find a way to capitalize on these guy's governess instead of resenting them and trying to transfer their heat onto someone else. If the fans generally want to cheer them, put them against people they want to boo. If the fans sour on a person, move on. Things find a way to cone back around. How many degrees do you need to figure this out. And thats the problem right there, they keep going for a baby sitter when they should capitalize on a governess.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 27, 2017 8:22:16 GMT -5
He's over, he's great, but he keeps dropping that damn brass ring.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 27, 2017 9:06:55 GMT -5
Because he's a comedy goofball at the moment?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 27, 2017 9:32:04 GMT -5
I do think we can get too obsessed with the whole "top guy" thing, because that's where we seem to want EVERY act that gets even slightly over. Woo woo woo...you know it! The difference between Ryder and guys like Miz, Rusev etc is that they don't piss and moan, they work at it and keep getting over with whatever they're given
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