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Post by H-Virus on Dec 27, 2017 19:36:37 GMT -5
He's underrated in that his reputation overshadows anything he does well. He'll always be the guy shoved down our throats and there are likely those who give in to blind hatred Something like that. I was going to say that even though he's good now, he became WWE's Guy way before actually getting good. Just like they did with Jinder, instead of going "Let's see if we can make this guy our future main attraction" and building up his character, ring work and mic skills first, they instead said "Let's push him straight to the top; we'll worry about getting him over and all that other stuff after he's champion." And yeah, that ass-backward approach ruined him for a lot of people; me included. I can admit that he's much better now than he was three years ago, but that doesn't mean that I care about him anymore than I did three years ago.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2017 19:38:08 GMT -5
I like Roman, but would not really call him underrated.
He's blamed for shit that is sometimes ludicrously petty or weird projection from fans, but I get that resentment is something that builds up, to where it's shit by the end like "Did you see that asshole, standing there, like he's so cool, f*** him", and divorced from any real reason. People don't start there, it builds over time.
This coronation nonsense, and it is nonsense, is just kind of a thing where, he's not underrated. He's got fans, he's got credibility even with some people who don't like him (as in, losing to him is not some kind of shame), and people give him credit when he's used correctly, like people accepting that he as in the right going after Joe, despite most of them liking Joe more. They just are worn down, and would be regardless of what they thought of his skills.
(As for why it's nonsense, dude's won Mania, he's won the Rumble, he's won the title multiple times. He beat Cena and Undertaker. This isn't a coronation, any more than Hogan beating Yokozuna would have been.)
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Post by King Boo on Dec 27, 2017 19:45:11 GMT -5
Dude is MASSIVELY underrated in the ring. He's not going to carry a mediocre wrestler to a good match, but if you give him an opponent who can carry their end of things, he puts on a damn good match. He's very much like Randy Orton in that regard. Give him opponents like Styles, Cesaro, Owens, Rollins, Bryan, Rusev, etc. and you always get a great match. So he has good matches with people who consistently have good matches with other wrestlers of varying skill sets/levels, but he can't have good matches with varying skill sets/levels himself. That... doesn't sound very impressive, I have to say.
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Post by BatPunk on Dec 27, 2017 19:45:22 GMT -5
In all seriousness, he reminds me of Cena. Not the greatest in the ring (workratez-wise), but has enough to go with the IWC Maineventers and look like he, sort of,belongs.
All he needs is his own CM Punk to have a lengthy feud with to ‘legitimize’ him to the IWC.
And then have WWE comfortable enough that he can take a few losses and not worry that the crowd will drop off.
I still want to see Reigns as a Douche-Tista 2.0 to see what he can do as a heel.
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Post by Stu on Dec 27, 2017 19:46:13 GMT -5
I like Roman, but would not really call him underrated. He's blamed for shit that is sometimes ludicrously petty or weird projection from fans, but I get that resentment is something that builds up, to where it's shit by the end like "Did you see that asshole, standing there, like he's so cool, f*** him", and divorced from any real reason. People don't start there, it builds over time. This coronation nonsense, and it is nonsense, is just kind of a thing where, he's not underrated. He's got fans, he's got credibility even with some people who don't like him (as in, losing to him is not some kind of shame), and people give him credit when he's used correctly, like people accepting that he as in the right going after Joe, despite most of them liking Joe more. They just are worn down, and would be regardless of what they thought of his skills. (As for why it's nonsense, dude's won Mania, he's won the Rumble, he's won the title multiple times. He beat Cena and Undertaker. This isn't a coronation, any more than Hogan beating Yokozuna would have been.) I'd say the difference is Hogan was already accepted as "The Guy." Thus, any accomplishment would come off as logical and understandable. He, Cena, Rock and Austin were top stars, so them winning a championship makes you say "Well, duh." Reigns is still sort of a work-in-progress, so fan's aren't as lenient toward him. That said, I consider him a top guy and established main eventer. I don't see his accomplishments as coronations; he's supposed to be winning anyway.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2017 19:58:08 GMT -5
He's underwritten.
WWE think they can simply tell people he's the new #1 guy and presume he'll be accepted, but are too lazy and inept to make the effort to credibly establish him in that role.
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Post by Powerline on Dec 27, 2017 20:13:45 GMT -5
I think he's disgustingly underrated in-ring. He's no "technical wizard", but he's far from the worst wrestler on the roster, and there have been many worse wrestlers in the main event scene than him from that perspective. I don't see how people can claim...let's go with...The Miz deserves a world title run and simultaneously believe Reigns isn't ready yet. I find Reigns matches WAY more enthralling than anything Miz has done since the IC Title 4-way, and a lot of that was the people Miz worked with (not saying Miz was necessarily carried, but unless your name is AJ Styles, no WWE superstar is outshining KO, Zayn AND Cesaro). I don't mean that as a knock on The Miz, but I don't get some of the names people will hold up as "ready" (Miz, Bray Wyatt, Ambrose...pre-injury...) while believing Reigns isn't.
And to be honest, I do think he's underrated on the mic, both by people and by the company. In FCW as Leakee, he was actually a good heel, almost like he was channeling a more modernized Hollywood Rock. His promos and attitude oozed someone that thought he was too good for who he was talking to, wrestling with, and who was watching him. He'd be decked out in suits, playing on his phone as he entered the frame for a promo, and shrug off any interviewer or superstar he deemed not worth the time. He NAILED that gimmick.
Now, I'm NOT saying he HAS to turn heel to succeed. What I AM saying though, is between those promos and many accounts that the dude is a total riot to talk to "off-the-clock", if they'd give him some shred of creative freedom, I think he'd make it pay off tenfold. And I know people will point to his promos with Cena (specifically the one where he froze up) and call BS on statements like this, but I'm telling ya...give him some creative freedom and watch him run. I mean, if you think he's "the guy" but you don't have faith that he can cut his own decent promos when just given a guideline and a few bullet points to hit like your previous "guys", then you shouldn't have picked him as "the guy". I don't think this company can EVER have a successful "the guy" without that creative freedom, and I think Reigns has it in him to be given that creative freedom and succeed with it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 27, 2017 20:42:47 GMT -5
No.
I like the guy, and once touted him as the future, but by the very nature of his huge sustained push he CAN'T be under-rated.
He's talented, but not to the level of being the main focus of the entire company for nearly five years now.
I get that the question is more if he's under-rated by fans themselves, but no; not with the way he's presented.
And I LIKE the guy, so if I didn't I can't imagine what I'd think.
Granted, I'm not sure when the last time I watched was. Some ppv a few months back I think. So take that for what it is.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 27, 2017 20:45:04 GMT -5
In-ring? Underrated.
Promo and "the guy-ness?" Overrated. Cena feud exposed his shortcomings big time.
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Post by The Yes Man on Dec 27, 2017 20:51:58 GMT -5
He’s probably one of the most underrated guys of all time as far as recognition from the fans goes.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 27, 2017 21:22:05 GMT -5
All he needs is his own CM Punk to have a lengthy feud with to ‘legitimize’ him to the IWC. Heel Dean Ambrose: MUST. REHAB. FASTER.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 27, 2017 21:24:30 GMT -5
Dude is MASSIVELY underrated in the ring. He's not going to carry a mediocre wrestler to a good match, but if you give him an opponent who can carry their end of things, he puts on a damn good match. He's very much like Randy Orton in that regard. Give him opponents like Styles, Cesaro, Owens, Rollins, Bryan, Rusev, etc. and you always get a great match. So he has good matches with people who consistently have good matches with other wrestlers of varying skill sets/levels, but he can't have good matches with varying skill sets/levels himself. That... doesn't sound very impressive, I have to say. The issue there for Reigns is that there aren’t many useless lumps on the roster anymore that will get pushed up to such a level that they’ll get 15-20 minutes with him to prove that he can carry a limited worker to a great match. The only one I can see happening any time soon is Mahal, and I’m sure most would rather that not even happen to start with.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 27, 2017 21:35:33 GMT -5
Dude is MASSIVELY underrated in the ring. He's not going to carry a mediocre wrestler to a good match, but if you give him an opponent who can carry their end of things, he puts on a damn good match. He's very much like Randy Orton in that regard. Give him opponents like Styles, Cesaro, Owens, Rollins, Bryan, Rusev, etc. and you always get a great match. So he has good matches with people who consistently have good matches with other wrestlers of varying skill sets/levels, but he can't have good matches with varying skill sets/levels himself. That... doesn't sound very impressive, I have to say. Wyatt, Local Man version Big Show, Sheamus, and Braun are not workrate guys in the slightest and he's had good matches with all of them.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 27, 2017 21:41:16 GMT -5
I’m not a big fan of his talking and I hate the way his character is written.
As a wrestler, he’s quite good. Like others have pointed out, he’s not AJ Styles or Kenny Omega, but he doesn’t need to be. What he does, he does well and when he’s in there with a good worker, you expect a very good match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 21:47:39 GMT -5
Reigns is GREAT in the ring... if he's paired with someone who also likes to lay their shit in. He's not going to have great matches with "light touch" workers, but put him in there with Brock, or Joe, or Sheamus, or anyone who will give as good as they get, and dude is magic.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 27, 2017 21:50:31 GMT -5
He’s fine.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 27, 2017 21:52:42 GMT -5
Reigns is GREAT in the ring... if he's paired with someone who also likes to lay their shit in. He's not going to have great matches with "light touch" workers, but put him in there with Brock, or Joe, or Sheamus, or anyone who will give as good as they get, and dude is magic. I loved his match with Bork
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Dec 27, 2017 21:57:41 GMT -5
He legit only does 5 moves, tops. Spear Superman Punch Samoan Drop Crucifix Powerbomb Tilt-A-Whirl Slam School Boy Powerbomb Drive-By Kick Big Boot Leaping Clothesline Backdrop Uranage Corner Clotheslines And that's just the stuff I can think of from the top of my head. His moveset isn't actually that limited at all. He needs to do the crucifix powerbomb more it's fantastic.
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Post by eJm on Dec 27, 2017 22:02:05 GMT -5
I've always liked him as a *wrestler* but good lord his character can be awful Pretty much how I’ve felt about Reigns. Like, the fact they went from “This is my Yard now” to “Golly gee, I hope the Undertaker isn’t retired, good gosh” in the space of a week still makes me super frustrated at how they have zero idea what to do with him character wise.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 27, 2017 22:23:22 GMT -5
Yeah I won't say he's limited in the ring but I will say his matches are laid out atrociously. The spamming of superman punches are what I think throws people off and lead them to say he has a limited moveset. Add in the fact he takes multiple finishers, kicks out of each, hits 1 spear, win. That adds up to a pretty predictable match and boredom. I'd say if he was allowed to break out of the mold they seem to want everyone to adhere to he'd be a lot more accepted. As it is his matches induce sleep to me.
Mic wise? Meh. Not bad but not great. I do think he'd benefit from a heel turn. He comes off very cocky and sure of himself. I think that would translate to a Triple H style of heel that would help his career.
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