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Post by Dean-o on Dec 28, 2017 19:51:47 GMT -5
OF COURSE, this company would now do Undertaker vs. Cena and expect us to give a damn about it...
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Post by eJm on Dec 28, 2017 19:55:40 GMT -5
Heck, there was a point Cena WAS undefeated at WrestleMania until they threw that away on a pretty worthless triple threat match at WrestleMania 26. It was 24, but point taken. Eh, mediocre WrestleManias meld in my head š
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 20:20:07 GMT -5
i'm guessing they either tried to clone cena and the clone turned out to be evil, or wwe/vince found a way to travel to an alternate universe and evil jon cena will be taking on our good john cena for universal domination. either way it's the only match that makes sense: the mirror match. They didn't actually fire Darren Young, they're repackaging him into Cena's Mirror Universe counterpart.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Dec 28, 2017 20:28:31 GMT -5
UNDERTAKER DOES NOT NEED TO COME BACK. Taker feels great post hip surgery. If he feels he can still go, who are we to quibble? The man knows his limits. I mean maybe the reason his match with Roman was so bad was because of a bad hip.
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Post by Skeletor on Dec 28, 2017 20:31:51 GMT -5
Why can't WWE just let some of their storylines be dropped in order to stack a card with lots of matches people want, regardless if the matches make perfect sense to happen.
Let's have the Open Invitation Era, or Open Opportunity Era where anyone can issue an open challenge at any time to any one... leaving some matches accepted and some rejected/refused/avoided.
The GM/boss can still book matches and title opportunities, and often does. But any title can be on the line any night there's a legal WWE ring.
Sometimes the GM should just look at how white hot two talents are and tell those guys, you two need to set aside your issues you have with others because the company sees both of them as the top guys and is hence booking a one on one contest to determine a number one contender... and now two men, who may even like each other, must face off with everything they've been working for at stake. A possibly real make or break moment for sure for both superstars.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2017 11:00:04 GMT -5
Man, Lesnar / Reigns, Styles / Nakamura, and Cena / Taker sounds like a giant recipe for, "DO NOT WATCH," to me. I'm sure it'd sell to some people because different strokes but I'd undoubtedly be finding something else to do with my time that night. What would be your ideal card for this year to get you interested?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2017 11:03:29 GMT -5
UNDERTAKER DOES NOT NEED TO COME BACK. Taker feels great post hip surgery. If he feels he can still go, who are we to quibble? The man knows his limits. I mean maybe the reason his match with Roman was so bad was because of a bad hip. One reason is Taker canāt go, heās physically done. He needs to enjoy his retirement because this year was bad to look at him. Second reason is coming back will shit all over his moment he had at Mania. You donāt get a better retirement than that and he will essentially be pulling a Ric Flair except he wonāt be wrestling in his underwear in front of a few hundred people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 11:05:26 GMT -5
People need to stop blaming that bad match on Taker's hip. For years we've been getting onto him about WM. Hell you don't even remember that bad Lesnar match. All you remember is the finish. That match was bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 11:09:33 GMT -5
Man, Lesnar / Reigns, Styles / Nakamura, and Cena / Taker sounds like a giant recipe for, "DO NOT WATCH," to me. I'm sure it'd sell to some people because different strokes but I'd undoubtedly be finding something else to do with my time that night. What would be your ideal card for this year to get you interested? I honestly don't even know, I just am not remotely in what the rumored card is. That's really the thing with me and WWE anymore, it's not even that I fantasy book because even in fantasy there's nothing that I especially want to see. I just want them to do something I actually find myself caring about. Kind of, "I don't know what I want but I know it's not that." Although that said my ideal card would probably be something like Lesnar, Taker, Cena, Triple H, Jericho and all the other part-timers being nowhere to be found.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Dec 29, 2017 11:24:16 GMT -5
Taker feels great post hip surgery. If he feels he can still go, who are we to quibble? The man knows his limits. I mean maybe the reason his match with Roman was so bad was because of a bad hip. One reason is Taker canāt go, heās physically done. He needs to enjoy his retirement because this year was bad to look at him. Second reason is coming back will shit all over his moment he had at Mania. You donāt get a better retirement than that and he will essentially be pulling a Ric Flair except he wonāt be wrestling in his underwear in front of a few hundred people. Hypothetically, what if Taker proves you wrong?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 29, 2017 11:25:47 GMT -5
One reason is Taker canāt go, heās physically done. He needs to enjoy his retirement because this year was bad to look at him. Second reason is coming back will shit all over his moment he had at Mania. You donāt get a better retirement than that and he will essentially be pulling a Ric Flair except he wonāt be wrestling in his underwear in front of a few hundred people. Hypothetically, what if Taker proves you wrong? Then he'd be wrong. But he won't be, since Taker hasn't had a good match since WrestleMania 29.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2017 11:31:10 GMT -5
One reason is Taker canāt go, heās physically done. He needs to enjoy his retirement because this year was bad to look at him. Second reason is coming back will shit all over his moment he had at Mania. You donāt get a better retirement than that and he will essentially be pulling a Ric Flair except he wonāt be wrestling in his underwear in front of a few hundred people. Hypothetically, what if Taker proves you wrong? Then Iād be wrong. However, I just canāt see it. Taker body had been broken down for years and he takes the whole year off to recover, he just canāt go anymore. Can he have a fast pace 5 min match like Goldberg before he gasses out, sure but thatās never been Taker style and would be ābadā to watch as far what Taker used to bring to the table. Despite all that, he got his send off. Take that shit and ride into the sunset. If you want to come back and cut promos as plain old Mark, sure so that but wrestling wise you canāt come back from that sendoff.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 29, 2017 12:10:58 GMT -5
Hypothetically, what if Taker proves you wrong? Then he'd be wrong. But he won't be, since Taker hasn't had a good match since WrestleMania 29. 30 he was concussed. 31 was actually a decent match with Bray where he moved around well. Shane was just a long match and it's Shane McMahon but Taker didn't look particularly poor.. 33 was where he looked bad and there's a chance that was because of the hip, as he was visibly hobbled. I guess we'll see where he's at if he does fight Cena this year.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 29, 2017 12:33:50 GMT -5
Then he'd be wrong. But he won't be, since Taker hasn't had a good match since WrestleMania 29. 30 he was concussed. 31 was actually a decent match with Bray where he moved around well. Shane was just a long match and it's Shane McMahon but Taker didn't look particularly poor.. 33 was where he looked bad and there's a chance that was because of the hip, as he was visibly hobbled. I guess we'll see where he's at if he does fight Cena this year. Concussed or no, the match is bad. Decent is not good, decent is decent. Hell in a Cell was built around one spot. 33 was trash. He hasn't had a good match since CM Punk.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 29, 2017 12:45:11 GMT -5
The thing about "Taker might have a better match than last year now that his hips is fixed" still doesn't address the problem of Undertaker having to go from a centerpiece of the show and off of a series of legendary matches and the best performances of those respective Wrestlemanias to just a guy there to fulfill some hole the company decides need filling. Taker's best years are behind him and with those years is the era of Wrestlemania being defined in large part by what Undertaker was doing. There was a time when he could be called upon to deliver and when there was a certainty he would put on a great performance, and the last time he had one of those was Wrestlemania 29 and since then it's only become worse and worse. He's always been sort of the "accepted" old timer, the guy who they pull out for Mania because it's justified and because he is such a large part of the spirit of Wrestlemania, but he's outpaced now by goddamn everyone, his body has given out, and the people who've come up after him have brought it harder than anyone has before. This is the point where they need to start looking at the present and the future instead of trying to cling to the same tired spectacle draws over and over again when they don't have the box office impact they used to and can't bring to the show what they used to.
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Post by lmagicdancer1 on Dec 29, 2017 13:35:11 GMT -5
OF COURSE, this company would now do Undertaker vs. Cena and expect us to give a damn about it... I still do.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 29, 2017 15:47:00 GMT -5
People need to stop blaming that bad match on Taker's hip. For years we've been getting onto him about WM. Hell you don't even remember that bad Lesnar match. All you remember is the finish. That match was bad. I haven't seen the match, but I have seen that gif of him unable to lift Reigns for the Tombstone and something tells me that wasn't part of the match.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 29, 2017 16:08:30 GMT -5
30 he was concussed. 31 was actually a decent match with Bray where he moved around well. Shane was just a long match and it's Shane McMahon but Taker didn't look particularly poor.. 33 was where he looked bad and there's a chance that was because of the hip, as he was visibly hobbled. I guess we'll see where he's at if he does fight Cena this year. Concussed or no, the match is bad. Decent is not good, decent is decent. Hell in a Cell was built around one spot. 33 was trash. He hasn't had a good match since CM Punk. He actually had a good match with Lesnar after the CM Punk match, I believe in late 2015.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 29, 2017 16:10:18 GMT -5
The thing about "Taker might have a better match than last year now that his hips is fixed" still doesn't address the problem of Undertaker having to go from a centerpiece of the show and off of a series of legendary matches and the best performances of those respective Wrestlemanias to just a guy there to fulfill some hole the company decides need filling. Taker's best years are behind him and with those years is the era of Wrestlemania being defined in large part by what Undertaker was doing. There was a time when he could be called upon to deliver and when there was a certainty he would put on a great performance, and the last time he had one of those was Wrestlemania 29 and since then it's only become worse and worse. He's always been sort of the "accepted" old timer, the guy who they pull out for Mania because it's justified and because he is such a large part of the spirit of Wrestlemania, but he's outpaced now by goddamn everyone, his body has given out, and the people who've come up after him have brought it harder than anyone has before. This is the point where they need to start looking at the present and the future instead of trying to cling to the same tired spectacle draws over and over again when they don't have the box office impact they used to and can't bring to the show what they used to. I see no problem with Taker wanting a proper sendoff with Cena now that his hip has been fixed. It's still a "dream match" which will have a hot crowd and could even be built up as Taker's retirement match, which last year's was not built as.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Dec 29, 2017 19:39:26 GMT -5
Hey as long as Cena/Styles isn't happening, and AJ doesn't have to job to Big Match Jawn again, I'm happy.
Obviously not the biggest fan of the dude, but even I know he deserves that Taker match. So I hope it's that. Cena would be a MUCH better last opponent for UT than Reigns, esp. since they didn't go all in on the heel turn with Roman after.
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