trollrogue
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 29, 2017 19:51:46 GMT -5
Honestly I still don't understand why WWE Network canceled Talking Smack but for whatever reason why they wanna limit Renee Young's potential is why I believe Dean is being treated similarly in WWE main booking. Nothing outright blatant ever, of course, but it certainly seems at times Creative finds a way to screw over one or both of them.
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fw91
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Post by fw91 on Dec 29, 2017 22:46:14 GMT -5
Idk and it sucks. Like even objectively, he's been in the most entertaining programs and shows the most charisma.
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Heartbreaker
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Post by Heartbreaker on Dec 29, 2017 23:03:47 GMT -5
He's the Becky Lynch of The Shield.
Over with fans, likable, great in the ring and the mic, but they don't wanna push him because they are more focused on the top guy (Roman/Charlotte) and number two (Seth/Sasha).
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 30, 2017 0:01:18 GMT -5
Also, full stop, we would not be having this discussion if Ambrose's Mania 32 match were not such a f***ing travesty. He had a great star making run on Smackdown but his star should have already been made. To be honest, all his singles WM outings have sucked. He got squashed by Brock because Brock was going to UFC, he was in a multiman ladder match for the IC title that he didn’t win, and being on this preshown with Baron Corbin. Compared to Roman main eventing 3 and soon to be 4 Manias, Seth cashing in, vs Orton, and vs Triple H, he kinda looks like a lame duck. Their solution the next night though? Have him squash Bo Dallas, Corbin, and Breeze in quick squash matches while the announcers talk about how tough he his. Cause that’s surely gonna make people think he’s not a dork who either lost or never made it on the actual PPV. Oh no there's definitely a recurring problem of his matches, but the Brock match in particular took him at a point where he was hot and doing everything he could to make the build work, coming off two successive big main event matches where he didn't win but did look good in the process, and then proceeded to have him be made an absolute f***ing joke of. I don't think many were expecting Dean to even win, just to have to be killed for Brock to stop him, and instead we got Dean f***ed with by an oversized bully f***ing with him for ten minutes before deciding to shut him down. It was the kind of showcase squash you'd see in a B show where they're putting "Lesnar murks a dude" as a special attraction.
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Post by britishbulldog on Dec 30, 2017 0:09:51 GMT -5
He's my least favorite. Hate his in ring work, mildly entertained on the Mic. To me he's the worst member of the shield.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Dec 30, 2017 0:19:50 GMT -5
When he had that god awful match with Lesnar
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Gus Richlen Was Wrong
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 30, 2017 0:31:39 GMT -5
The entire Shield is cursed. As in, they somehow stumbled on a lost temple of wrestling and tried to take a sacred relic which would bless the holder with the ability to have good matches. Unfortunately, the level of curse depended on who held it last when the evil spirit caught up to them. Ambrose got cursed with being the third wheel and having bad WrestleMania matches because he grabbed it first. Rollins got hit with terrible heel booking, a lousy face run, and a blown-out knee because he took the relic from Ambrose and tried to find an exit route. Reigns got walloped with bad crowd reception, terrible booking, a Wellness violation, a clunker of a match with Undertaker, getting nearly buried by Cena, incompetent writers, a poor level of timing, and being only the second-best known member of his class at Georgia Tech, all because the spirit caught him.
At least that's my take.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Dec 30, 2017 0:42:40 GMT -5
I don't think he's been a third wheel at all.
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Gus Richlen Was Wrong
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 30, 2017 0:50:33 GMT -5
I don't think he's been a third wheel at all. To be fair, he probably isn't because WWE clearly sees enough in him to put him, if not in as prominent a spot as Roman or Braun on RAW, at least in one of the best spots on that brand or one of the top alongside AJ on SD. But there's so much fan focus, positive AND negative, on Reigns that it feels like anyone else is clearly far behind even when they're not.
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Post by schma on Dec 30, 2017 5:20:51 GMT -5
For 2014 and 2015 it seemed like they wanted us to feel he was the third wheel but his run on Smackdown in my eyes definitely cemented him as a top guy and managed to get rid of the stink from the dark times when many legitimately thought he would never be a world champ (to be fair, his booking for a long time made it hard to believe otherwise). He did lose steam when he came to Raw and immediately feuded with Miz, who he had just spent a bunch of time feuding with on Smackdown. That said, if anything, Seth has felt like the third wheel this year as far as star power. Roman feels like the third wheel as far as Seth and Dean reunited and then Roman was kinda there too. Granted part of that was his illness but certainly he felt like less a part of the unit, even though the reunion was pretty much done to help him.
Really though, it says a lot when the third wheel of a faction regardless of which one you figure it is, can put World Champion on their resume. Hell 2 of them are grand slam champions and Seth is only missing an IC run.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 1, 2018 8:20:54 GMT -5
I don't think he's been a third wheel at all. I think he's actually had some of the more consistent booking, by being an upper-card but rarely top guy, which means he's rarely expendable but also easy to put into the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 8:30:04 GMT -5
He's yet to hit his stride in WWE really, hamstrung by his wacky 'crazy' gimmick. If he acted a bit more like he did in his feud with Regal or (a much sanitised version of his pre-WWE) stuff he'd make more of a connection.
Within WWE though, Rollins and Reigns offer more and tick more boxes in their list of criteria.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 1, 2018 10:25:22 GMT -5
Nobody in The Shield is really a legit main event guy, which is kind of why they were a 6 man tag unit in the first place. As far as Ambrose goes, I don't think the Lesnar thing hurt him as much as some on here. It didn't help obviously but one MITB win and cash in later he was back to being quite over. I actually think his title run on SD really made him look marginal. First off, he feuded with Ziggler. That's a kiss of death to anyone other than Miz, who miraculously got a terrific feud out of Ziggler. But really what hurt him was the Styles feud. In the title match with AJ the crowd basically turned on Ambrose and cheered Styles and it was frankly because it was obvious that Styles was a vastly superior wrestler and the fans knew it. I mean it wasn't like Styles was burying him or anything...he was just better. Styles in the ring is constantly crisp and fluid, whereas Dean is kinda sloppy and awkward at times. Add in the human waste of space that is Ellsworth and Ambrose lost a lot of heat.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2018 10:27:08 GMT -5
They are all third wheels. They've all been booked badly since their break up.
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Post by Matt on Jan 1, 2018 11:52:38 GMT -5
Because he's not that good on the mic and he has the worst offense of anyone outside of Shane.
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