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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Dec 30, 2017 4:37:44 GMT -5
I’ve worked almost every Christmas since I was 20. I have two kids. I don’t see the issue. Sometimes you gotta work holidays. I work every Thanksgiving, New Years and Fourth of July, too. Just because it’s a holiday doesn’t mean the world stops moving. And they get paid much better than me, and I didn’t get a party or anything like a hotel paid for. I’m glad they worked Christmas, cuz it was a good show when normally Christmas Raw sucks, and I like watching wrestling.
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Post by eJm on Dec 30, 2017 5:13:52 GMT -5
So a point to those going “Sometimes you have to work Christmas”.
Fine, cool. But the jobs you’ve mentioned are actually important jobs. If we didn’t have firefighters and a fire went off, we’d be in trouble. Same with police, military people, truck drivers etc.
Factoring all that in, why should wrestlers work Christmas? Their jobs aren’t as important, and clearly people don’t think so considering they’ve been thrown under the bus in this thread (despite everything we know about the business now), so why does it matter they don’t work Christmas Day? Just so someone has something to watch on Christmas Day? Because I don’t know about you, but compared to “saving lives and preventing large amounts of damage”, choerographed grappling doesn’t seem as needed.
And again, this wasn’t their choice, they didn’t sign up expecting this to happen, their network panicked from the low ratings throughout the year and forced WWE to do it for ratings not because a job has to be done. Heck, they were back anyway a couple of days later on the house show circuit, the hell difference does it make?
Some of the other jobs others have mentioned at the very least have unions to prevent people from being overworked without a proper amount of time off after that. Wrestlers don’t have that or anything close to that.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 30, 2017 7:38:24 GMT -5
So a point to those going “Sometimes you have to work Christmas”. Fine, cool. But the jobs you’ve mentioned are actually important jobs. If we didn’t have firefighters and a fire went off, we’d be in trouble. Same with police, military people, truck drivers etc. Factoring all that in, why should wrestlers work Christmas? Their jobs aren’t as important, and clearly people don’t think so considering they’ve been thrown under the bus in this thread (despite everything we know about the business now), so why does it matter they don’t work Christmas Day? Just so someone has something to watch on Christmas Day? Because I don’t know about you, but compared to “saving lives and preventing large amounts of damage”, choerographed grappling doesn’t seem as needed. And again, this wasn’t their choice, they didn’t sign up expecting this to happen, their network panicked from the low ratings throughout the year and forced WWE to do it for ratings not because a job has to be done. Heck, they were back anyway a couple of days later on the house show circuit, the hell difference does it make? Some of the other jobs others have mentioned at the very least have unions to prevent people from being overworked without a proper amount of time off after that. Wrestlers don’t have that or anything close to that. Add in the fact they're on the road for most of the year anyhow and it makes for a pretty crappy holiday. I'm sure they got some holiday stuff in the week before but it probably wasn't the same. I had to work Christmas as well since I'm a hospital employee but at the very least our holidays are rotated and we can at least make time for our family at some point in the day. USA network gets a down vote from me for this. Unnecessary and doesn't help their image in the slightest.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 30, 2017 10:04:54 GMT -5
I'm guessing the people saying it's no big deal/blown out of proportion aren't parents. Servicemen and women, emergency call operators, doctors, nurses all have to work Christmas day and forego their families. Extremely well paid entertainers really don't get my sympathies in comparison. Not just nurses in a hospital. Cleaning staff too. Thankfully, I asked for time off 6 months in advance or else I'd have to work it.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 30, 2017 10:19:15 GMT -5
I don't know whats going on with this convo anymore
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Dec 30, 2017 11:04:01 GMT -5
So a point to those going “Sometimes you have to work Christmas”. Fine, cool. But the jobs you’ve mentioned are actually important jobs. If we didn’t have firefighters and a fire went off, we’d be in trouble. Same with police, military people, truck drivers etc. Factoring all that in, why should wrestlers work Christmas? Their jobs aren’t as important, and clearly people don’t think so considering they’ve been thrown under the bus in this thread (despite everything we know about the business now), so why does it matter they don’t work Christmas Day? Just so someone has something to watch on Christmas Day? Because I don’t know about you, but compared to “saving lives and preventing large amounts of damage”, choerographed grappling doesn’t seem as needed. And again, this wasn’t their choice, they didn’t sign up expecting this to happen, their network panicked from the low ratings throughout the year and forced WWE to do it for ratings not because a job has to be done. Heck, they were back anyway a couple of days later on the house show circuit, the hell difference does it make? Some of the other jobs others have mentioned at the very least have unions to prevent people from being overworked without a proper amount of time off after that. Wrestlers don’t have that or anything close to that. I work in a casino. That’s not important, but there I am every Christmas so that people can come in and gamble. For real, this shouldn’t be an issue for any of us. The wrestlers get extra perks for working that day. And as Finn Balor’s mom said, if you’re a wrestler it’s better to have to work Raw on Christmas than not be able to work Raw on Christmas. If the wrestlers aren’t bitching, why are we? If the wrestlers are bitching, than they can fight their own fight. Edit: For clarification, if a wrestler DOESN’T want to work Christmas, then yeah, that sucks. But I don’t feel bad for them because that’s a battle everyone has to fight for themselves. For example, there was one New Years where I really wanted off cuz I never get to celebrate, so I fought for it and got it off. Again, that’s their fight. I got to watch a good show, so I don’t care. Just like the people in my Casino got to blow their money or win a few bucks and don’t give a shit that I have to work.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 30, 2017 11:25:35 GMT -5
To be fair, if this was a straight USA Network call, demanding to not work Christmas when your boss has no say in it is, at best, going to be ignored and, at worst, end with you being swiftly rendered unemployed. Not saying anything in this thread is wrong on either side, but there's a reason we haven't heard complaints.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 30, 2017 11:55:02 GMT -5
So a point to those going “Sometimes you have to work Christmas”. Fine, cool. But the jobs you’ve mentioned are actually important jobs. If we didn’t have firefighters and a fire went off, we’d be in trouble. Same with police, military people, truck drivers etc. Factoring all that in, why should wrestlers work Christmas? Their jobs aren’t as important, and clearly people don’t think so considering they’ve been thrown under the bus in this thread (despite everything we know about the business now), so why does it matter they don’t work Christmas Day? Just so someone has something to watch on Christmas Day? Because I don’t know about you, but compared to “saving lives and preventing large amounts of damage”, choerographed grappling doesn’t seem as needed. And again, this wasn’t their choice, they didn’t sign up expecting this to happen, their network panicked from the low ratings throughout the year and forced WWE to do it for ratings not because a job has to be done. Heck, they were back anyway a couple of days later on the house show circuit, the hell difference does it make? Some of the other jobs others have mentioned at the very least have unions to prevent people from being overworked without a proper amount of time off after that. Wrestlers don’t have that or anything close to that. Almost everything outside of office jobs still are open on Christmas, not just first responders. Retail, casinos, first responder type jobs all still go on and that makes up the bulk of the workforce.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 30, 2017 13:04:25 GMT -5
I’m glad this gets put to rest until 2023. I’m already anticipating people upset over Monday Night April Fools in the coming years. By 2023, there might even be a lobby for Hasbro action figure simulations over the staged combat taking place today. It’s going in the direction of “adults can’t handle adulting” more and more each day on this here Internet.
It’s true I’d probably fist fight someone that out of the blue tried to make me work Christmas. But it’s why I’ve chosen a path not to have to do that. Every wrestler I’ve ever known that made it would eat dirt for a chance to work Monday night on Christmas and get paid handsomely for it. The ones who wouldn’t are the ones who were never going to make a career out of it anyway and have dropped out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 13:14:26 GMT -5
I also hope all the arena staff having to work on Christmas got well compensated for it. At least 50 members of security/local police having to stand outside waving people here, there and everywhere with those orange cones in sub-zero weather can't be a treat. Hope they got something extra.
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Post by eJm on Dec 30, 2017 13:26:05 GMT -5
So a point to those going “Sometimes you have to work Christmas”. Fine, cool. But the jobs you’ve mentioned are actually important jobs. If we didn’t have firefighters and a fire went off, we’d be in trouble. Same with police, military people, truck drivers etc. Factoring all that in, why should wrestlers work Christmas? Their jobs aren’t as important, and clearly people don’t think so considering they’ve been thrown under the bus in this thread (despite everything we know about the business now), so why does it matter they don’t work Christmas Day? Just so someone has something to watch on Christmas Day? Because I don’t know about you, but compared to “saving lives and preventing large amounts of damage”, choerographed grappling doesn’t seem as needed. And again, this wasn’t their choice, they didn’t sign up expecting this to happen, their network panicked from the low ratings throughout the year and forced WWE to do it for ratings not because a job has to be done. Heck, they were back anyway a couple of days later on the house show circuit, the hell difference does it make? Some of the other jobs others have mentioned at the very least have unions to prevent people from being overworked without a proper amount of time off after that. Wrestlers don’t have that or anything close to that. Almost everything outside of office jobs still are open on Christmas, not just first responders. Retail, casinos, first responder type jobs all still go on and that makes up the bulk of the workforce. The only thing I’ll say in response to that is that living in two European countries now, everything business wise is closed except a few Jewish stores, pubs in the late afternoon and a McDonalds here and there. Outside of the police, firefighters etc, nowhere else is open.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Dec 30, 2017 14:07:15 GMT -5
Hopefully this included the backstage crews as well. They all received complimentary 'Unleash Your Warrior' tee shirts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 10:39:51 GMT -5
I like how people are using real jobs and comparing it to the WWE. Gas stations are kind of important for daily use. Obviously law enforcement, doctors, etc, are as well but that goes without saying.
Comparing that to grown men and women fake fighting in their underwear is a stretch, and that’s putting it nicely.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 31, 2017 12:52:01 GMT -5
They should pay the bills every week for basic hotel accomodation, travel costs, and a reasonable food allowance, for their roster.
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Post by segaz on Dec 31, 2017 20:09:17 GMT -5
Almost everything outside of office jobs still are open on Christmas, not just first responders. Retail, casinos, first responder type jobs all still go on and that makes up the bulk of the workforce. The only thing I’ll say in response to that is that living in two European countries now, everything business wise is closed except a few Jewish stores, pubs in the late afternoon and a McDonalds here and there. Outside of the police, firefighters etc, nowhere else is open. Yeah I don't know if Wal-Mart and Target are open on Christmas day in America, and most services such as transport are cancelled or heavily reduced. Some guys don't mind working Christmas day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 8:09:04 GMT -5
The only thing I’ll say in response to that is that living in two European countries now, everything business wise is closed except a few Jewish stores, pubs in the late afternoon and a McDonalds here and there. Outside of the police, firefighters etc, nowhere else is open. Yeah I don't know if Wal-Mart and Target are open on Christmas day in America, and most services such as transport are cancelled or heavily reduced. Some guys don't mind working Christmas day. I worked in my store at the airport Christmas day, everything serving as normal and two 24 hour petrol stations both open on the way too. I don't celebrate Christmas so I work the day so my colleagues can have the day off, but everyone else at work that day celebrates it. None of them minded, it's just one of those things. Some of them celebrated the day before or after.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 10:54:21 GMT -5
The only thing I’ll say in response to that is that living in two European countries now, everything business wise is closed except a few Jewish stores, pubs in the late afternoon and a McDonalds here and there. Outside of the police, firefighters etc, nowhere else is open. Yeah I don't know if Wal-Mart and Target are open on Christmas day in America, and most services such as transport are cancelled or heavily reduced. Some guys don't mind working Christmas day. I never cared, work is work. I rang in the New Year once working on the assembling line. Even when the plant was shut down for the holidays, we have this thing called fire watch. Go in, walk around, make sure nothing's on fire. Sit in the office and play solitaire a while. Easy 8 hours. You do what you got to providing for your family.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 1, 2018 12:03:03 GMT -5
They should pay the bills every week for basic hotel accomodation, travel costs, and a reasonable food allowance, for their roster. Why? That would just directly affect what they get paid out regularly I'm sure. The wrestlers can basically choose to be frugal on the road and save more or splurge for comfort. Plus it's a tax write-off.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jan 1, 2018 13:14:35 GMT -5
Last night I rang in the New Year standing in the middle of a bunch of table games and shaking hands with a bunch of drunk gamblers. Someone fight for me!!!
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 1, 2018 14:25:17 GMT -5
I have no sympathies for them working on Xmas. Celebrate it on the 24th.
That being said it doesn't seem like they care either.
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