chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Jan 3, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -5
Reminder: the source is Nash
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Jan 3, 2018 11:56:10 GMT -5
How would the internet handle it if either: Roman, Dean and Seth Or Finn, AJ, Shinsuke, Owens and Zayn Went to Vince with a list of names on guys they should and should not push in Indianapolis? I know one thing. Both sides would agree on not pushing Dolph Ziggler. Enlighten me on why they wouldn't. Clearly everyone hates Ziggler in the lockeroom. |
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Post by PTBartman on Jan 3, 2018 12:04:14 GMT -5
man, in retrospect, what the hell did Miz do? f*** everyone's mothers and send them videotapes? For all this talk of old school mentality dying out, his background in reality TV seems to bring it out of lots of people. Dude has had to work twice as hard to be seen as half as good in a lot of cases. I think his ethic of working hard with whatever he's given might upset some of those who are willing to complain more too. I could see him and Kane getting along for that reason, no matter how bad the lemon, they just keep making restarant quality lemonade. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 3, 2018 12:15:44 GMT -5
On one hand, I can see him seeing people "waiting for him to pick them instad of getting after it", but tahts' because the opposite is people who do just go out and get over, who the company hasn't already decided from jump are going to be "top guys" wind up either getting fed to the "right people", get no air time, or go unused for weeks at a time. Thus, people don't want it bad enough to say "Well, if it works and I get over the company decides to run with it, I'm good, but if they dont' want to, then I'm out of a job" Vince doesn't just want you to get over. He wants you to lay a swath of destruction across the locker room to do it. To him, you become the man by bending the rest of the locker room over, violating them, and making themselves shit with fear at the idea of looking at you wrong. You politic your way to the top, and you get the people who cross you fired. That's Vince's vision of "The Man". That and these damn millennials can't show up in shape like Gary Strydom to give this old man some morning wood, pal! |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2018 19:56:23 GMT -5
Their biggest stars earned their success by connecting with the fans one way or another. Vince then recognised that and pushed them accordingly.
The politicking comes AFTER you become a star.
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Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 4, 2018 1:44:55 GMT -5
You gave Swagger, Ziggler and Del Rio the title and topped that with Jinder.
If they can be champions why wouldn't you patiently wait for your turn?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 4, 2018 10:00:21 GMT -5
"I remember one time I was talking to Vince – it wasn't the last WrestleMania, I think it was the one before – and I just asked him how things were," said Nash. "And he goes, 'The thing that's changed more than anything, is back when you broke in here in the fed, it was a shark tank. Like, everybody went after that top prize, and it was a battle. Now, wrestlers wait for me to come around with a sword and anoint them.' It's just not the same anymore." wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018/0101/635463/kevin-nash-on-what-vince-mcmahon-recently-told-him-regarding/Now this is fake news. We all know Vince McMahon wouldn't be saying the word "wrestler" even if his life depended on it! |
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 4, 2018 10:28:40 GMT -5
I think the second most important speech Vince gave besides ushering in the attitude era, was the "Ruthless Aggression" speech. I think it was a shoot. vince is in control, yes, but he wants his men to buck up and it would be interesting to see if someone who may not have been pegged to be a big name to actually step up to the plate.
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Post by DJ Maniak on Jan 4, 2018 11:52:17 GMT -5
Who in the locker room feared them, though? Yeah, Punk constantly buried the Miz (so did ADR, for that matter). But nobody took a Hogan-like or Kliq-like stranglehold on the locker room. man, in retrospect, what the hell did Miz do? f*** everyone's mothers and send them videotapes? No, just mine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 13:05:42 GMT -5
For all this talk of old school mentality dying out, his background in reality TV seems to bring it out of lots of people. Dude has had to work twice as hard to be seen as half as good in a lot of cases. I think his ethic of working hard with whatever he's given might upset some of those who are willing to complain more too. I could see him and Kane getting along for that reason, no matter how bad the lemon, they just keep making restarant quality lemonade. Good example. On that same note, like Kane is respected in the locker room, I could see in the future Miz being a great person to have around if someone else has a similarly problematic start in the company. Even if he doesn't actually say or do much for the situation, just having him there will give them hope. |
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 4, 2018 15:04:08 GMT -5
Nash never knows what year things happened.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 4, 2018 15:42:44 GMT -5
man, in retrospect, what the hell did Miz do? f*** everyone's mothers and send them videotapes? For all this talk of old school mentality dying out, his background in reality TV seems to bring it out of lots of people. Dude has had to work twice as hard to be seen as half as good in a lot of cases. I think his ethic of working hard with whatever he's given might upset some of those who are willing to complain more too. Well no back when Miz started the mentality hadn't died at all. Benoit, Holly, and JBL were still full time roster members and absolute nightmares for anyone they disliked, while Punk was an abrasive personality who disliked a whole lot of people. It's the current locker room who've talked up their respect for Miz, his work ethic, and the effort he puts into PR and media stuff for the company. He's not a fame seeker using reality TV as an easy bridge into wrestling, he's a respected veteran now who's been around longer than most of the locker room. I don't think I've heard a "f*** the Miz" story in years and nobody who's around now seems to have any beef with him given the interviews I've seen talking him up. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2018 16:26:48 GMT -5
I think the second most important speech Vince gave besides ushering in the attitude era, was the "Ruthless Aggression" speech. I think it was a shoot. vince is in control, yes, but he wants his men to buck up and it would be interesting to see if someone who may not have been pegged to be a big name to actually step up to the plate. They have to be allowed to do that though. If they don't have the opportunity, they can't step up. |
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Post by Johnny D on Jan 4, 2018 18:20:57 GMT -5
"I remember one time I was talking to Vince – it wasn't the last WrestleMania, I think it was the one before – and I just asked him how things were," said Nash. "And he goes, 'The thing that's changed more than anything, is back when you broke in here in the fed, it was a shark tank. Like, everybody went after that top prize, and it was a battle. Now, wrestlers wait for me to come around with a sword and anoint them.' It's just not the same anymore." wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018/0101/635463/kevin-nash-on-what-vince-mcmahon-recently-told-him-regarding/Oh god, what a shame that is Big Kev. It's like everything was so blissful when you were champ and your pain in the ass group were riding rough shots over the other guys in the locker room.  |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 5, 2018 0:58:11 GMT -5
"I remember one time I was talking to Vince – it wasn't the last WrestleMania, I think it was the one before – and I just asked him how things were," said Nash. "And he goes, 'The thing that's changed more than anything, is back when you broke in here in the fed, it was a shark tank. Like, everybody went after that top prize, and it was a battle. Now, wrestlers wait for me to come around with a sword and anoint them.' It's just not the same anymore." wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018/0101/635463/kevin-nash-on-what-vince-mcmahon-recently-told-him-regarding/Oh god, what a shame that is Big Kev. It's like everything was so blissful when you were champ and your pain in the ass group were riding rough shots over the other guys in the locker room. Well, did you see the stats of when he sold out MSG? 😊 |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 5, 2018 6:32:10 GMT -5
I think the second most important speech Vince gave besides ushering in the attitude era, was the "Ruthless Aggression" speech. I think it was a shoot. vince is in control, yes, but he wants his men to buck up and it would be interesting to see if someone who may not have been pegged to be a big name to actually step up to the plate. They have to be allowed to do that though. If they don't have the opportunity, they can't step up. And when they make the opportunities for themselves, that needs to be followed up on. Zack Ryder... fed to people who are "supposed" to be over The Fashion Police... given almost no match time, 0 wins, the skits are gradually drawn out more and more till no one really cares when they're squashed by yet another lame Harper/Rowan repackaging Rusev... the one guy people want to turn face is left to wander aimlessly in the midcard There are people trying to make opportunities for themselves, but no one in the company's listening so it doesn't matter. |
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Post by héad.casé on Jan 5, 2018 11:21:59 GMT -5
Remember Triple H doing an interview when he was asked about things like Blue Pants and the Vaudevillains getting over, and Triple H replied “well I’m 46 years old so I don’t get it, but the crowd like it so we go with it”
Why don’t they do this on the main roster?
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 5, 2018 13:18:56 GMT -5
It seems like anybody that's willing to say 'I won't lay down for this guy because I think I'm destined to be the top star' is what Vince is looking for. It's something I guess a lot of Superstars are worried to do because getting heavily pushed over everybody else is usually the fastest way to get the crowd against you (Roman Reigns, Jason Jordan, Jinder Mahal) which is fine if you're a heel. But if you want to be Big Top Dawg Franchise Player you need universal fan support to grab the brass ring.
The Miz is somehow at that level right now but after years of working within the system, not being stubborn like HBK about who and who not to job to-- but just patiently waiting for injuries to occur and for a spot to open up and sliiiiiiding in to maximize potential. I think biding time and waiting for an opportunity is the best track for success in the WWE in the Millennial Age if you care about job security. Think about how much time and booking efforts will be needed to get Jason Jordan over this hump of being 'Daddy's Boy'-- I'd rather be Chad Gable and rise up the ranks in due time and grab the brass ring when WWE is in despair and needs someone credible, for instance, to go one-on-one against AJ Styles in a title match when his scheduled opponent has the flu.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Jan 5, 2018 14:44:21 GMT -5
Nash says a lot of shit.
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