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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 6, 2018 13:56:44 GMT -5
I was at the 2011 Rumble. Biggest issue I had with it was how it was front loaded with Nexus and that they dominated it for far too long. I would've marked if Diesel cleared the ring and then jacknifed Punk in the process. At least we would have a backstory for summer of punk months later.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 6, 2018 14:33:10 GMT -5
It's absolutely possible with the roster depth they have. Add in a few legends and NXT guys and it'd work fine. Trouble is with how recent Rumbles have been booked it'd just be prolonging the agony rather than giving people chances. The 30 man format works just fine. At the end of the day there are only ever a handful of potential winners, maybe 5 max, so why fill it out any more? But that's also the problem- the more people you have in, the more potential winners you'll have. Royal Rumbles seem to fulfill a golden ratio for a "good" Rumble of 1:3:1. For every five people in the Rumble: 1 wrestler will be a Favorite- someone who has a chance to win the whole thing. 3 wrestlers will just be warm bodies there to make up numbers and do their thing. 1 wrestler will be a surprise entrant, however they do it: Announcers, celebrities, legends, midgets, women, NXT wrestlers- just someone to surprise the crowd. With that in mind, if you have 40 - or more- entrants, then by definition you'll also increase the amount of potential winners to boot.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Jan 6, 2018 14:38:36 GMT -5
The 30 man format works just fine. At the end of the day there are only ever a handful of potential winners, maybe 5 max, so why fill it out any more? But that's also the problem- the more people you have in, the more potential winners you'll have. Royal Rumbles seem to fulfill a golden ratio for a "good" Rumble of 1:3:1. For every five people in the Rumble: 1 wrestler will be a Favorite- someone who has a chance to win the whole thing. 3 wrestlers will just be warm bodies there to make up numbers and do their thing. 1 wrestler will be a surprise entrant, however they do it: Announcers, celebrities, legends, midgets, women, NXT wrestlers- just someone to surprise the crowd. With that in mind, if you have 40 - or more- entrants, then by definition you'll also increase the amount of potential winners to boot. The ratio is good in theory. However take this years rumble as an example... Who do we see as viable winners? Even naming 5 might be a stretch. I've got Roman, Nak, Cena. I honestly can't see any other winners at present.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jan 6, 2018 14:39:54 GMT -5
The first one wasn't great, but that doesn't mean it can't work.
I've been wanting a 40 Rumble again for awhile now.. It did seem they had planned one a few years back but for whatever reason they decided not to.
But yeah I'd welcome another 40 Rumble.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 6, 2018 14:43:08 GMT -5
But that's also the problem- the more people you have in, the more potential winners you'll have. Royal Rumbles seem to fulfill a golden ratio for a "good" Rumble of 1:3:1. For every five people in the Rumble: 1 wrestler will be a Favorite- someone who has a chance to win the whole thing. 3 wrestlers will just be warm bodies there to make up numbers and do their thing. 1 wrestler will be a surprise entrant, however they do it: Announcers, celebrities, legends, midgets, women, NXT wrestlers- just someone to surprise the crowd. With that in mind, if you have 40 - or more- entrants, then by definition you'll also increase the amount of potential winners to boot. The ratio is good in theory. However take this years rumble as an example... Who do we see as viable winners? Even naming 5 might be a stretch. I've got Roman, Nak, Cena. I honestly can't see any other winners at present. So we’re getting a crappy Rumble At least by that theory. The math seems off though. I can’t think of many if any Rumbles that actually had 6 surprise entrants.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 6, 2018 14:47:06 GMT -5
I think in the current circumstances a 40 man makes the most sense. 15 from both RAW and Smackdown, 5 “mystery/surprise” entrants and 5 from NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 15:06:01 GMT -5
Only if someone unexpected is gonna win. Otherwise, nah.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 6, 2018 15:09:13 GMT -5
It's absolutely possible with the roster depth they have. Add in a few legends and NXT guys and it'd work fine. Trouble is with how recent Rumbles have been booked it'd just be prolonging the agony rather than giving people chances. The 30 man format works just fine. At the end of the day there are only ever a handful of potential winners, maybe 5 max, so why fill it out any more? This assumes the same thing that WWE seems to be stuck in, that the only story to be told by the Rumble is who the winner is.
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 6, 2018 15:29:43 GMT -5
Only if someone unexpected is gonna win. Otherwise, nah. You might wanna be careful what you say. It could end up being Jinder Mahal.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2018 15:29:47 GMT -5
I still find it funny that they decided to waste their first ever 40 man Rumble on Alberto Del Rio.
Hell even Santino was more over than that dipshit in the match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 15:32:56 GMT -5
Only if someone unexpected is gonna win. Otherwise, nah. You might wanna be careful what you say. It could end up being Jinder Mahal. I'd actually expect that at this point lol.
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Post by schma on Jan 6, 2018 15:48:50 GMT -5
There's enough people that I'd be down for this. It might be a good way to drum up interest in the cruiserweights if they got a chance to put in a decent showing. That said, it's been more than half a decade since we had a good winner, so I think that should be addressed first.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 6, 2018 16:27:10 GMT -5
I still find it funny that they decided to waste their first ever 40 man Rumble on Alberto Del Rio. Hell even Santino was more over than that dipshit in the match. "even" Santino? Santino was more over than a LOT of wrestlers then.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 6, 2018 16:28:50 GMT -5
If they weren't so dead set on having Roman to be the one who finally sends Brock packing for good, it really should be Braun.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Jan 6, 2018 17:15:23 GMT -5
Absolutely! Just please don't have a 40 woman Ruble the same night But yeah, while the first one wasn't the greatest, there's more than enough main event talent + NXT + legends, it could be lots of fun.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 6, 2018 17:57:49 GMT -5
Depends on how many spots they have. I haven't liked the lack of surprise entrants the last two years and I feel like this year will be cluttered with Raw/SD guys so there won't be much room for those again. 40 would allow you to do like 35 from Raw/SD and then 5 for legends/NXT guys.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Jan 6, 2018 18:17:28 GMT -5
The 30 man format works just fine. At the end of the day there are only ever a handful of potential winners, maybe 5 max, so why fill it out any more? This assumes the same thing that WWE seems to be stuck in, that the only story to be told by the Rumble is who the winner is. Yeah it should be easy to make tons of storylines out of the rumble but they just don't seem to care about it. Mid card guys are there simply as fodder for the "stars". I mean can you imagine a career mid carder lasting nearly an hour this year a la Rick Martel?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 6, 2018 18:20:45 GMT -5
But that's also the problem- the more people you have in, the more potential winners you'll have. Royal Rumbles seem to fulfill a golden ratio for a "good" Rumble of 1:3:1. For every five people in the Rumble: 1 wrestler will be a Favorite- someone who has a chance to win the whole thing. 3 wrestlers will just be warm bodies there to make up numbers and do their thing. 1 wrestler will be a surprise entrant, however they do it: Announcers, celebrities, legends, midgets, women, NXT wrestlers- just someone to surprise the crowd. With that in mind, if you have 40 - or more- entrants, then by definition you'll also increase the amount of potential winners to boot. The ratio is good in theory. However take this years rumble as an example... Who do we see as viable winners? Even naming 5 might be a stretch. I've got Roman, Nak, Cena. I honestly can't see any other winners at present. Reigns, Nakamura, Cena, Bryan, Owens, and Samoa Joe. In descending order.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Jan 6, 2018 18:32:44 GMT -5
The ratio is good in theory. However take this years rumble as an example... Who do we see as viable winners? Even naming 5 might be a stretch. I've got Roman, Nak, Cena. I honestly can't see any other winners at present. Reigns, Nakamura, Cena, Bryan, Owens, and Samoa Joe. In descending order. Take Bryan out and you're probably spot on.
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Post by TGM on Jan 6, 2018 18:34:25 GMT -5
Yeah it was awesome.
Not every year, but the one from 2011 was fantastic.
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