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Post by CMWaters on Jan 7, 2018 11:12:51 GMT -5
While I was at work, I saw a display promoting the chance to win tickets to Super Bowl LIII in 2019. That got me thinking: let's say something happens, and like with baseball in the 90s, the NFL players went on strike, and thus the season and thus the Super Bowl had to be cancelled.
I could see quite a few things being effected by this: -TV networks that air NFL losing a huge chunk of viewership on Sundays, Mondays and...do they still do Thursday games (I've fallen off watching due to work hours). -The various "Official Product of NFL" companies taking a major hit, as they would lose that sponsorship revenue that year. -Season ticket holders pretty much lost money
I know there's some I'm missing, but it was something that I thought would be worth talking about.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 7, 2018 11:23:34 GMT -5
Anybody working at any stadium or running any of the vendors, all the sports bars around the nation... lots of lost revenue.
The people that "really" get hurt the most aren't the players or owners. It everybody else that gets that tiny slice of the pie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 14:03:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with Push Venis.
A lot of stadiums have contracts with vendors & those contracts aren't cheap. Yet the vendors take them because people will pay $9 for a beer anyway.
Without games, those vendors lose a lot of money.
Here's a local example. Lucas Oil Stadium has multiple tenants (NFL Colts & starting this year, USL Indy Eleven), as well as regular events. Stuff like the high school championship games & Indy Eleven matches won't make a lot of money, but stuff like the Colts & Big Ten Championship games will. This isn't like a basketball arena where you also have wrestling shows, concerts, & live action choreography like Cirque de Soleil & Disney on Ice to fall back on; you pay more & have less opportunities to make on your investment.
And same goes for parking facilities, bars, & other places. The idea that a stadium enhances the immediate area is false, but people go places anyway to kill time or watch the game if they can't afford the tickets. They lose out, especially if it goes to November & that's not a good month if you remove NFL.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 7, 2018 14:38:05 GMT -5
I don't think they're that stupid, MLB never really recovered from that strike.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 7, 2018 15:34:53 GMT -5
I don't think they're that stupid, MLB never really recovered from that strike. MLB been doing just fine now I don't think the MLB was ever more popular than they are currently really. The NHL suffered for a long while but bounced back from it. Honestly I can see it happening with the NFL because with all of the Goodell BS if that continues with the inconsistent suspensions and concussions in game treatment, and guys like Jones who have this owner power keeps having his issues with Goodell There not far I think from having a big conflict between the league, the Owners, and the players.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 7, 2018 16:19:55 GMT -5
It would help the Browns actually, less losses to worry about. 0-12 is better than 0-16
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 7, 2018 19:23:10 GMT -5
I don't think the players have the stomach to strike that long. They'll cave like last time,
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jan 7, 2018 19:32:54 GMT -5
Look up ESPN's 30 for 30 about the "Scabs" - people who came in to play when the players went on strike before.
I'll give them 1000% respect over the 8 and 9 figure salary boys who take their footballs and go home
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 16:30:26 GMT -5
NFL is losing steam as it is, a prolonged strike would do some serious long term damage I think.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 13, 2018 10:24:45 GMT -5
I don't think the players have the stomach to strike that long. They'll cave like last time, Do you mean 1987? I don't think they caved. I think the NFLPA got most of what they wanted from the NFL. If you mean the 2011 incident that was a lockout not a strike. A strike is a work stoppage caused by labor. A lockout is a work stoppage caused by management.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 13, 2018 17:44:32 GMT -5
NFL is as popular as ever but in borrowed time. Give it a generation and it's mounting injuries, awful rules and mismanagement are going to hurt worse than anybody thinks.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 13, 2018 18:40:01 GMT -5
I don't think the players have the stomach to strike that long. They'll cave like last time, Do you mean 1987? I don't think they caved. I think the NFLPA got most of what they wanted from the NFL. If you mean the 2011 incident that was a lockout not a strike. A strike is a work stoppage caused by labor. A lockout is a work stoppage caused by management. I was talking about 2011. My mistake. Still I think a strike wouldn't last that long. The owners have so much leverage. Most of them already make money from other businesses away from football and all of them are pretty much set for life. A strike really wouldn't hurt them in the long run. The players on the other hand, while many of them make a lot of money, it's not much as the owners. The players make most of thier money during the season and that money has to last them the rest of the year. Most don't have big endorsement deals or other ways to supplant thier income. And on top of that many players are careless with thier money. As soon as the they start missing game checks and the bills pile up the players will get very antsy. The owners will make a minor concession and the players will jump at it. I wish it wasn't so. Football players have the worst labor agreement when it comes to the 4 major sports. But that's the way I feel.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jan 14, 2018 4:37:03 GMT -5
It could be be disastrous. A strike gives people a chance to see that they can survive without watching their favorite team. Some fans never come back
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 20:11:10 GMT -5
"The strike has effected players to the point they have to send their butler down to pick up the food stamps."
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 20, 2018 11:12:17 GMT -5
Baseball's biggest problem was the timing of the strike. Doing a goofy strike in April or May doesn't mean much as long as the season eventually gets going. Striking in mid August and wiping out the rest of the season and the World Series is so idiotic that I can't comprehend how or why anyone thought it was a good idea. So really it depends on when an NFL strike happens.
That said, I'd advise them not to even think about it. The whole anthem controversy and concussions suit has already hurt the NFL this season. I think long term besides the CTE aspect what could hurt the NFL is a lack of new stars to replace the old ones. Over the past 15 years the NFL really hit upon a ton of all time great stars and QBs and those guys are all getting old.
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Post by corndog on Jan 22, 2018 10:00:00 GMT -5
I don't think they're that stupid, MLB never really recovered from that strike. MLB been doing just fine now I don't think the MLB was ever more popular than they are currently really. The NHL suffered for a long while but bounced back from it. Honestly I can see it happening with the NFL because with all of the Goodell BS if that continues with the inconsistent suspensions and concussions in game treatment, and guys like Jones who have this owner power keeps having his issues with Goodell There not far I think from having a big conflict between the league, the Owners, and the players. Let's not act like the '94 MLB strike didn't hurt baseball a lot. It is a main reason for the Expos going under. Also before the strike, MLB and the NFL were almost even in terms of popularity, it was an arguable #1, but at the worst #2 sport in the states with an incredibly strong youth following. After the strike, baseball was #3 behind the NBA and NFL and it nearly turned an entire generation away from the game. What saved baseball is two things, one the home run race of '98, so in a way, steroids. Also, better regional coverage of the sport that has turned into big money. As of late, long time World Series droughts of the Red Sox, White Sox and now Cubs have also renewed interest. There is also much more parity in championship baseball, despite there being no salary cap. As far as an NFL strike, depending on how long and especially if we don't get a Super Bowl, it could be pretty damaging. As others have said the NFL is declining, but it was so ridiculously popular maintaining that level was impossible. Although the cracks were beginning to show with stuff like deflategate, concussions, kneeling and Goodell botching pretty much everything. The league won't go under after a strike, the NFL will always be around and a top sport in the US, but a strike will take it down quite a few notches. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NBA and ironically MLB overtake it in popularity depending on the severity of the strike. On the bright side, a terrible strike would surely be the end of Goodell.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 22, 2018 11:03:31 GMT -5
If you believe recent polls MLB has already overtaken the NFL in terms of public perception. The strike hurt but keep in mind the timing was also right when MLB expanded the playoffs and in my opinion this has led to the decline of the sport almost as much. There are too many rounds of playoffs and it just led to too many lousy World Series match ups that didn't have much interest. That said, baseball attendance wise is certainly better than it has ever been. For all the talk about the so called "Golden Age" of baseball it was basically the Yankees crushing everyone all the time and most cities in the AL especially had awful attendance and financial woes. The Rays have pretty much the worst attendance in MLB but still draw over 1.2 million fans. There were teams like the Browns and A's back in the late 30s and early 40s that only drew like 110,000 for the season.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 22, 2018 15:23:16 GMT -5
MLB been doing just fine now I don't think the MLB was ever more popular than they are currently really. The NHL suffered for a long while but bounced back from it. Honestly I can see it happening with the NFL because with all of the Goodell BS if that continues with the inconsistent suspensions and concussions in game treatment, and guys like Jones who have this owner power keeps having his issues with Goodell There not far I think from having a big conflict between the league, the Owners, and the players. Let's not act like the '94 MLB strike didn't hurt baseball a lot. It is a main reason for the Expos going under. Also before the strike, MLB and the NFL were almost even in terms of popularity, it was an arguable #1, but at the worst #2 sport in the states with an incredibly strong youth following. After the strike, baseball was #3 behind the NBA and NFL and it nearly turned an entire generation away from the game. What saved baseball is two things, one the home run race of '98, so in a way, steroids. Also, better regional coverage of the sport that has turned into big money. As of late, long time World Series droughts of the Red Sox, White Sox and now Cubs have also renewed interest. There is also much more parity in championship baseball, despite there being no salary cap. As far as an NFL strike, depending on how long and especially if we don't get a Super Bowl, it could be pretty damaging. As others have said the NFL is declining, but it was so ridiculously popular maintaining that level was impossible. Although the cracks were beginning to show with stuff like deflategate, concussions, kneeling and Goodell botching pretty much everything. The league won't go under after a strike, the NFL will always be around and a top sport in the US, but a strike will take it down quite a few notches. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NBA and ironically MLB overtake it in popularity depending on the severity of the strike. On the bright side, a terrible strike would surely be the end of Goodell. I never denied it didn't I said it doing fine NOW, because he has made a comeback. The NFL had a strike it will be the same thing. He will hurt for a few years and than bounce back over time.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 22, 2018 16:48:03 GMT -5
Do you mean 1987? I don't think they caved. I think the NFLPA got most of what they wanted from the NFL. If you mean the 2011 incident that was a lockout not a strike. A strike is a work stoppage caused by labor. A lockout is a work stoppage caused by management. I was talking about 2011. My mistake. Still I think a strike wouldn't last that long. The owners have so much leverage. Most of them already make money from other businesses away from football and all of them are pretty much set for life. A strike really wouldn't hurt them in the long run. The players on the other hand, while many of them make a lot of money, it's not much as the owners. The players make most of thier money during the season and that money has to last them the rest of the year. Most don't have big endorsement deals or other ways to supplant thier income. And on top of that many players are careless with thier money. As soon as the they start missing game checks and the bills pile up the players will get very antsy. The owners will make a minor concession and the players will jump at it. I wish it wasn't so. Football players have the worst labor agreement when it comes to the 4 major sports. But that's the way I feel. Honestly, it's how bad the labor agreement is for football which is why an NFL strike would probably not need to happen outright. The NFL is the only sport where the contracts don't matter- it's expected that if you sign a contract for multi-years, it's moot and you'll just be cut in a year as a salary cap move. With this in mind, any prolonged strike would probably be moot because within a couple weeks of the strike, the NFL owners would just say "You don't like the demands we're making? Fine. Every player in the league is cut and we're replacing you with scabs."
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jan 22, 2018 18:12:20 GMT -5
I was talking about 2011. My mistake. Still I think a strike wouldn't last that long. The owners have so much leverage. Most of them already make money from other businesses away from football and all of them are pretty much set for life. A strike really wouldn't hurt them in the long run. The players on the other hand, while many of them make a lot of money, it's not much as the owners. The players make most of thier money during the season and that money has to last them the rest of the year. Most don't have big endorsement deals or other ways to supplant thier income. And on top of that many players are careless with thier money. As soon as the they start missing game checks and the bills pile up the players will get very antsy. The owners will make a minor concession and the players will jump at it. I wish it wasn't so. Football players have the worst labor agreement when it comes to the 4 major sports. But that's the way I feel. Honestly, it's how bad the labor agreement is for football which is why an NFL strike would probably not need to happen outright. The NFL is the only sport where the contracts don't matter- it's expected that if you sign a contract for multi-years, it's moot and you'll just be cut in a year as a salary cap move. With this in mind, any prolonged strike would probably be moot because within a couple weeks of the strike, the NFL owners would just say "You don't like the demands we're making? Fine. Every player in the league is cut and we're replacing you with scabs." I might watch regularly if the scabs come back
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