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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 6:46:44 GMT -5
The Daily Mail is actually so unreliable as a source Wikipedia no longer allows users to cite it. Wikipedia does, however, consider Freakin' Awesome Network a reliable source. Yes, ladies and gentleman, the humble FAN is a more legitimate news outlet than the Daily Mail. Can you source that, I'd like to see FAN sourced on Wikipedia. Please source your news of us sourcing news in the source section of a Wikipedia article that required sourcing. Source... I need a nap now. It’s true, I saw it on FAN. They’re a very reputable source.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 10, 2018 7:46:34 GMT -5
Isnt he almost 100? Possible hes losing it. If we as a society are going to continue to move towards holding those accountable for their actions on a level humanity has never seen before, yes, we have to look at all factors in the situation. Being nearly a century old doesn't and shouldn't automatically excuse someone for their actions, but it is a very clear starting point for seeing that it may not always be a black and white situation. The mental capabilities of someone his age must be called into question, I feel. Again, not giving him a pass, not at all, but definitely something that needs to be looked at. I'm not as huge a fan of comics/superhero lore as much as the majority of the board so outside of general knowledge of Stan Lee I don't know much about him. I don't recall ever hearing of him in his previous 94 years being accused of sexual assault so my guess is he didn't just decide at age 95 with a lucid mind that it was fine being a sexual predator. Similar situation with President Bush last year. At 93 years old, wheelchair bound and in early stages of dementia I don't think he should be classed with the Harvey Weinstein's of the world.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 10, 2018 7:49:35 GMT -5
I hope it's not true. That's all I got. That's all I can add as well.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 10, 2018 9:39:21 GMT -5
If we as a society are going to continue to move towards holding those accountable for their actions on a level humanity has never seen before, yes, we have to look at all factors in the situation. Being nearly a century old doesn't and shouldn't automatically excuse someone for their actions, but it is a very clear starting point for seeing that it may not always be a black and white situation. The mental capabilities of someone his age must be called into question, I feel. Again, not giving him a pass, not at all, but definitely something that needs to be looked at. I'm not as huge a fan of comics/superhero lore as much as the majority of the board so outside of general knowledge of Stan Lee I don't know much about him. I don't recall ever hearing of him in his previous 94 years being accused of sexual assault so my guess is he didn't just decide at age 95 with a lucid mind that it was fine being a sexual predator. Similar situation with President Bush last year. At 93 years old, wheelchair bound and in early stages of dementia I don't think he should be classed with the Harvey Weinstein's of the world. Nursing homes with dementia patients are basically groping factories from all that I've heard.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 10, 2018 10:25:10 GMT -5
I'm not as huge a fan of comics/superhero lore as much as the majority of the board so outside of general knowledge of Stan Lee I don't know much about him. I don't recall ever hearing of him in his previous 94 years being accused of sexual assault so my guess is he didn't just decide at age 95 with a lucid mind that it was fine being a sexual predator. Similar situation with President Bush last year. At 93 years old, wheelchair bound and in early stages of dementia I don't think he should be classed with the Harvey Weinstein's of the world. Nursing homes with dementia patients are basically groping factories from all that I've heard. When I was 17 I had a weekend job working in a nursing home, serving meals and collecting dirty plates and drinking cups for washing. As I was collecting stuff from a room lady in her 80s with dementia began exposing herself to me and making kissy faces. When I mentioned this to the head nurse on duty she said it was pretty much a daily occurrence with multiple patients.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 10, 2018 13:14:30 GMT -5
I'm not as huge a fan of comics/superhero lore as much as the majority of the board so outside of general knowledge of Stan Lee I don't know much about him. I don't recall ever hearing of him in his previous 94 years being accused of sexual assault so my guess is he didn't just decide at age 95 with a lucid mind that it was fine being a sexual predator. Similar situation with President Bush last year. At 93 years old, wheelchair bound and in early stages of dementia I don't think he should be classed with the Harvey Weinstein's of the world. Nursing homes with dementia patients are basically groping factories from all that I've heard. My grandpa, before he was formally diagnosed with Alzheimer's and put in an nursing home, tried to stab my grandmother with a knife because he thought she was a stranger breaking into the home. I never knew him, because he was already pretty much gone when I was young and he died when I was about 5, but when he was in his own mind he was one of the gentlest and most compassionate people my mom and dad knew. Doing something like that to his own wife was grossly out-of-character for him. Assuming this story is true (which I have my doubts about given the source), we can't really assume anything about Stan Lee's mind. Maybe he is senile or going through dementia. Or maybe he's still of sound mind and doing it just because he's 95 and gives no shits anymore.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 10, 2018 18:30:21 GMT -5
Wait, I haven't read the original article, but did it say that this happened recently? I assumed, if this is true, that this happened decades ago and it's only now being reported, like the Roy Moore stuff. I never imagined that we're talking about a 95 year old Stan Lee groping young ladies around the office. If that's the case then I have a hard time imagining he's doing this in a mentally sound state.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 10, 2018 18:35:18 GMT -5
Wait, I haven't read the original article, but did it say that this happened recently? I assumed, if this is true, that this happened decades ago and it's only now being reported, like the Roy Moore stuff. I never imagined that we're talking about a 95 year old Stan Lee groping young ladies around the office. If that's the case then I have a hard time imagining he's doing this in a mentally sound state. Daily Mail are saying it's a home nurse service making the claim.
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Post by Muskrat on Jan 10, 2018 19:08:21 GMT -5
Also, not seeing alot of legitimate news sites covering this. Mostly just (for lack of a better term) "nerd news" sites and they all cite the Daily Mail article, I haven't found any site that has corroborated the story themselves.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 11, 2018 1:41:25 GMT -5
Nursing homes with dementia patients are basically groping factories from all that I've heard. When I was 17 I had a weekend job working in a nursing home, serving meals and collecting dirty plates and drinking cups for washing. As I was collecting stuff from a room lady in her 80s with dementia began exposing herself to me and making kissy faces. When I mentioned this to the head nurse on duty she said it was pretty much a daily occurrence with multiple patients. I work at a hospital. You mix old age and prescription drugs you're bound to walk into anything with elderly people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 1:49:57 GMT -5
Wait, I haven't read the original article, but did it say that this happened recently? I assumed, if this is true, that this happened decades ago and it's only now being reported, like the Roy Moore stuff. I never imagined that we're talking about a 95 year old Stan Lee groping young ladies around the office. If that's the case then I have a hard time imagining he's doing this in a mentally sound state. The Daily Mail claims it is an unnamed Home Care service (Lee has had nurses that come in and check up on him and doing other medical needs for like ten years or more). I find it funny that the Daily Mail also failed to name even the service that these women purportedly belong to so that it's impossible for anyone to check this story for veracity when the article itself claims there is no police report either.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 11, 2018 6:04:38 GMT -5
The Daily Mail is actually so unreliable as a source Wikipedia no longer allows users to cite it. Wikipedia does, however, consider Freakin' Awesome Network a reliable source. Yes, ladies and gentleman, the humble FAN is a more legitimate news outlet than the Daily Mail. Can you source that, I'd like to see FAN sourced on Wikipedia. Please source your news of us sourcing news in the source section of a Wikipedia article that required sourcing. Source... I need a nap now. My interview is used as a source for the cosplayer Vampy/Linda Le. (Referrence number 17 ) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_LeThe Daily Mail have really set the bar low if Im more trusted than they are.
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 11, 2018 7:23:14 GMT -5
As always, until reports charges and evidence are presented, f*** the accusers. We're in a witch hunt Era right now, and I'm not taking part not knowing all the facts.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 11, 2018 7:30:48 GMT -5
Wait, I haven't read the original article, but did it say that this happened recently? I assumed, if this is true, that this happened decades ago and it's only now being reported, like the Roy Moore stuff. I never imagined that we're talking about a 95 year old Stan Lee groping young ladies around the office. If that's the case then I have a hard time imagining he's doing this in a mentally sound state. The Daily Mail claims it is an unnamed Home Care service (Lee has had nurses that come in and check up on him and doing other medical needs for like ten years or more). I find it funny that the Daily Mail also failed to name even the service that these women purportedly belong to so that it's impossible for anyone to check this story for veracity when the article itself claims there is no police report either. Wow, I always side with the victim, but that is the most paper thin accusation I have ever heard. But then, Daily Mail.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2018 10:12:28 GMT -5
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 11, 2018 21:45:03 GMT -5
Public opinion has nothing to do with legal issues and isn't effected by due process. I don't know the whole story, so I won't comment either way. That, and deciding the accused is making shit up isn't exactly a neutral response to news, either, it's deciding the accuser is guilty until proven innocent. But that's the whole problem- accusations are impossible to give equality to. If you use 'innocent until proven guilty', you are calling the accuser a liar until they prove otherwise. If you use 'guilty until proven innocent', you are calling the defendant guilty until they prove otherwise...and then you have public opinion saying "well they probably did it and got off on a technicality." And if you try to say both sides are innocent until proven otherwise...you're saying it didn't happen, so you're still saying the accuser is a liar. There is no way to make it work in a judgement before a case goes through, you have to say to one side or the other "I don't believe you" and they have to prove otherwise. It's just a lot easier to say to someone "I think you're lying" than say to someone "You did it, you know you did it,at least be a man for once in your pathetic life and ADMIT IT so it's easier to punish you for doing it...and at least then you can go to sleep in prison knowing you weren't put in for a crime you didn't commit."
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 12, 2018 1:20:02 GMT -5
There's this video that has been circling around Facebook and YouTube. It kind of shows you the state of what's going on in general with these types of allegations being thrown around. There was this man who simply said "hello" to this woman and she proceeds to step out of the car, insult him racially and cuss him out, all the while saying "You don't say hi to me! That's sexual harassment."
If there's a corrupt sex ring in Hollywood involving kids and women in order to get ahead then expose them. But simple hugs, playful picture gestures, compliments, or saying hello isn't harassment and that's something that needs to be addressed immediately.
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