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Post by celtics543 on Jan 13, 2018 17:36:09 GMT -5
So, Jacques followed Cedric to his tryout, seemingly contacted Vince rather than trying to go through Hunter, Regal or any of the NXT trainers, and complained about the training regimen that all of the other trainees have to go through. All of this seems to indicate that Jacques believes that Cedric is above NXT. That his son shouldn't have to go through the same steps as everyone else. That's not going to go over well with the company. Also, didn't Cedric spend most, if not all, of his career working almost exclusively with his dad's promotion? If your career is made by wrestling the same guys over and over, or by wrestling Jacques's new trainees, that isn't a good indicator of your skill. If Cedric is (or was) really serious about getting better and going to WWE, the best way would be to stop letting Jacques control his career. Accept outside bookings, go to Japan or Mexico, and most importantly, DON'T let Jacques book or negotiate for him. Maybe we read it differently but to me Jacque was saying he knows his son isn't perfect right now but that he has size and is bilingual and you'd think WWE would want to train a guy like that. It makes sense that he's a guy they would want to take a flier on but they seem to be at odds with Jacque and aren't going to do that. Also, I'm sure Jacque called Vince because he knows Vince and that's how the boys did it back when he was around. I'm not sure it's as nefarious as you're making it out to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 17:43:11 GMT -5
The whole post reads like he’s one of the Dance Moms.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 13, 2018 17:51:45 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems that will sink any second generation wrestler is an overzealous parent who's always "trying" and involved and all over the place. Nobody is going to become a big star dragging their dad with them to their WWE try-out.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 13, 2018 17:57:22 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems that will sink any second generation wrestler is an overzealous parent who's always "trying" and involved and all over the place. Nobody is going to become a big star dragging their dad with them to their WWE try-out. Yea, it's funny when you hear people like Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, Charlotte, etc... talk about breaking into the business, their parents either didn't push them as hard or always told it's there if they ever wanted to try it I believe Roman talked about how when he told his father he finally considered wrestling and he just showed a little smile and said okay, time for you to get to work |
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 14, 2018 3:02:34 GMT -5
if he went by himself he'd have been signed. Nobody likes Jacques
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Post by Phil Parent on Jan 14, 2018 11:48:03 GMT -5
I guess I should post in here, I'm the expert :-p
You know, at least he takes some of the blame for having training mentalities that aren't in line with WWE's. But that don't make his training bad training, it just makes it traditional wrestling training that produced a world champion, a trailblazer of North American indy women's wresting, some other NA indy standouts, and more local & regional standouts that I care to name.
I agree with everybody that thinks that Jacques going with him didn't help. He just couldn't help himself, even at the height of thawing the relation with WWE, he couldn't help feeling like his students needed a minder to make sure they wouldn't either A) Sign a deal that wouldn't include him getting a cut or B) Be messed with. But that's just this hermit kingdom mentality, he can't f***ing help it, it's so engrained in him, he can't do otherwise than think the rest of the world wants to f*** with his business.
Cedric has not wrestled one match outside of his promotion. Didn't help. Remember my return to the ring? That first match with MWF was my first match outside of Rougeau's, and I wrestled full time from 1996 to 2008. Thing is, not only do you know one ring and one booker, but you always end up working the same guys that all have very similar training as you. It lulls you into thinking that wrestling is supposed to be this simple and easy when, the first time you step foot in another ring, you realise you pretty much have to learn how to walk again.
This tryout thing has had an effect on Jacques because it made him realize how out of touch he was and he's since let Cedric (Talent & Sales / Marketing) and the returning JJ (Creative) get a lot more power. Main storyline right now shows it. Cool heels have NEVER been a thing in Rougeau's. But The Revolution (That would be JJ, Isaac Shemin & Jimmy Tell and old man Eric Mastrocola as the one who polluted their "young" impressionable minds.) is a lot cooler and a lot more engaging than the home army, and whether it is intentional (and Jacques is oblivious to it) or not, Rougeau Gym is made to look like a bunch of boring f***s with Cedric there to anchor the ship. You know.... "JOIN THE REVOLUTION!" VS "THE TRADITION CONTINUES!", which one of these slogans do you feel appeals to you?
The company has a big stadium show in August which will either be 4th generation's first show with full power over the company or Jacques' last show with full power. I've heard both. Jacques would stay as head trainer in the gym and wouldn't be involved with the shows.
Under Cedric & JJ, I expect more foreigners and outside local talents to be allowed in, and I expect graduates to at least go on learning excursions. I also expect stuff to be filmed and either aired online or sold on DVDs. Because you've likely never seen a Rougeau show. You can't, not available.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 14, 2018 14:41:18 GMT -5
If you go to your job interview with mommy or daddy, you're not getting hired.
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Post by PKO on Jan 14, 2018 15:03:15 GMT -5
The guy is young, very handsome, tall, great body. I think Dad thought they'd be throwing money at him. He definitely would have gotten a contract in FCW days, but things are different now
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 14, 2018 15:10:19 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems that will sink any second generation wrestler is an overzealous parent who's always "trying" and involved and all over the place. Nobody is going to become a big star dragging their dad with them to their WWE try-out. Yea, it's funny when you hear people like Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, Charlotte, etc... talk about breaking into the business, their parents either didn't push them as hard or always told it's there if they ever wanted to try it I believe Roman talked about how when he told his father he finally considered wrestling and he just showed a little smile and said okay, time for you to get to work Even in the cases of Orton and Charlotte where they later had their fathers attached to them on-screen, what was important was that they were nowhere to be found in the early stages and formative parts of their careers. No overbearing helicopter parent constantly pushing and prodding the company or talking up their amazing star potential. They were able to take their lumps and move through the system like everyone else, definitely seen as stars in the making and certainly pushed as such when the company decided it was time but given that breathing room before then. Nobody comes off well with an advocate who can't shut up trying to speed the process up. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 14, 2018 15:24:23 GMT -5
Yea, it's funny when you hear people like Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, Charlotte, etc... talk about breaking into the business, their parents either didn't push them as hard or always told it's there if they ever wanted to try it I believe Roman talked about how when he told his father he finally considered wrestling and he just showed a little smile and said okay, time for you to get to work Even in the cases of Orton and Charlotte where they later had their fathers attached to them on-screen, what was important was that they were nowhere to be found in the early stages and formative parts of their careers. No overbearing helicopter parent constantly pushing and prodding the company or talking up their amazing star potential. They were able to take their lumps and move through the system like everyone else, definitely seen as stars in the making and certainly pushed as such when the company decided it was time but given that breathing room before then. Nobody comes off well with an advocate who can't shut up trying to speed the process up. Right, they still took their lumps like everyone else but obviously targets are on their backs because they got the job through family bloodlines or connections. Once you see the potential then they got the push and in the case of Charlotte/Randy get their father as managers for a while or even people like Ted who got his fathers gimmick You f*** it up from jump when you don't have enough faith in your child or family member to let them do their tryout on their own |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 14, 2018 15:42:04 GMT -5
Even in the cases of Orton and Charlotte where they later had their fathers attached to them on-screen, what was important was that they were nowhere to be found in the early stages and formative parts of their careers. No overbearing helicopter parent constantly pushing and prodding the company or talking up their amazing star potential. They were able to take their lumps and move through the system like everyone else, definitely seen as stars in the making and certainly pushed as such when the company decided it was time but given that breathing room before then. Nobody comes off well with an advocate who can't shut up trying to speed the process up. Right, they still took their lumps like everyone else but obviously targets are on their backs because they got the job through family bloodlines or connections. Once you see the potential then they got the push and in the case of Charlotte/Randy get their father as managers for a while or even people like Ted who got his fathers gimmick You f*** it up from jump when you don't have enough faith in your child or family member to let them do their tryout on their own Even if Vince got lots of preferential treatment and a sweetheart deal on the company from his father, he still had to go on and prove he was worthy of owning the company, running the Maine territory and doing commentary for a decade before he got to take over. Vince's soft spot for legacies is obvious, but it's clear he places a big value on proving you're deserving of that legacy on your own first. I don't think he wants people shoving their kids in his face like that. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 14, 2018 15:51:07 GMT -5
Right, they still took their lumps like everyone else but obviously targets are on their backs because they got the job through family bloodlines or connections. Once you see the potential then they got the push and in the case of Charlotte/Randy get their father as managers for a while or even people like Ted who got his fathers gimmick You f*** it up from jump when you don't have enough faith in your child or family member to let them do their tryout on their own Even if Vince got lots of preferential treatment and a sweetheart deal on the company from his father, he still had to go on and prove he was worthy of owning the company, running the Maine territory and doing commentary for a decade before he got to take over. Vince's soft spot for legacies is obvious, but it's clear he places a big value on proving you're deserving of that legacy on your own first. I don't think he wants people shoving their kids in his face like that. Exactly. Vince will give your family or children a chance if they have the passion for it but that doesn't mean he wants you upending their progress or staying too hands on. You got them in the door as a family member but once they are there they have to prove they want it just like everyone else. Everyone has their own reasons for getting into wrestling but you have to let them find a way to succeed or fail on their own |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 0:43:58 GMT -5
As had been mentioned in another thread, if Wes 'Son of Suck Up Alpha' Brisco got cut, a legacy clearly isn't a gateway to a push anymore.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 15, 2018 1:07:52 GMT -5
As had been mentioned in another thread, if Wes 'Son of Suck Up Alpha' Brisco got cut, a legacy clearly isn't a gateway to a push anymore. I think that's more because Wes Brisco does not belong in a wrestling ring and looks like shit in everything he does. Dude's been in the business almost 10 years and he still works like some nowhere shindy dude. The fact he even got into FCW was entirely on his father's name, and they only cut him out around the time they began to develop standards. |
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Post by benstudd on Jan 15, 2018 5:46:02 GMT -5
If you go to your job interview with mommy or daddy, you're not getting hired. I don't know I think nowadays it mostly work like that. It's a pampered generation and most of my nieces and nephews got their jobs by their parents knowing somebody. Maybe the WWE is still fonctioning old school... |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 15, 2018 5:48:45 GMT -5
If you go to your job interview with mommy or daddy, you're not getting hired. I don't know I think nowadays it mostly work like that. It's a pampered generation and most of my nieces and nephews got their jobs by their parents knowing somebody. Maybe the WWE is still fonctioning old school... Having an in, parents or no, is how people get jobs. That's just how it is. Rolling up to your tryout, basically a job interview, with your daddy is bad. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 15, 2018 5:52:44 GMT -5
I don't know I think nowadays it mostly work like that. It's a pampered generation and most of my nieces and nephews got their jobs by their parents knowing somebody. Maybe the WWE is still fonctioning old school... Having an in, parents or no, is how people get jobs. That's just how it is. Rolling up to your tryout, basically a job interview, with your daddy is bad. Yeah, that’s always how that’s been. Let’s not mix the two up here. Hell, getting a job through someone your parents know has been going on since rich people had more money than other people. So forever basically. |
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Post by benstudd on Jan 15, 2018 5:52:47 GMT -5
I don't know I think nowadays it mostly work like that. It's a pampered generation and most of my nieces and nephews got their jobs by their parents knowing somebody. Maybe the WWE is still fonctioning old school... Having an in, parents or no, is how people get jobs. That's just how it is. Rolling up to your tryout, basically a job interview, with your daddy is bad. No doubt but wrestling is a little World and guys tend to be pretty social like if the WWE shows up in their town, they'll say hello. Jacques felt he had to be there to say hello the make the introductions. There's no doubt he is overbearing, though. |
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jan 15, 2018 10:09:29 GMT -5
as mentioned before. It is a different WWE development now. if this had of been the 2008 2009 even 2010 or early 2011, he would of gotten hired because they hired anyone who were second generation stars. Now not so much.
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