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Post by héad.casé on Jan 13, 2018 19:33:18 GMT -5
The stars of Marvel Studios are in Arizona this weekend. Several Avengers are at ACE Comic Con, including Captain America himself, Chris Evans. During a panel with costars Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan, Evans was singing the praises of another Marvel actor who isn’t there, Robert Downey, Jr. Evans had many glowing things to say about Downey, whom Evans says has been very supportive for as long as they’ve been in the Marvel Cinematic Universe together. “He’s such a wonderful guy and is so talented, and so experienced, and so supportive. He’s always been in my corner. I’ve always felt supported by him. He really brings everybody in to the group and makes sure everyone feels welcome, especially on this last one.” “He really is so irreplaceable. Nobody can ever be Iron Man. Nobody. It’s not a role like a Superman or a Batman that can kind of find different incarnations. No one can touch it. No one can.” marvelstudiosnews.com/2018/01/13/chris-evans-says-nobody-can-ever-iron-man-robert-downey-jr/
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 13, 2018 19:37:36 GMT -5
I've heard similar things for multiple Bonds. Nobody is irreplaceable. THAT SAID, You can't just progress like normal and try to pass a new guy off like nothing changed. You gotta change it up.
If somebody else in the next 20 years gets cast to be Tony Stark. They have my sympathies. The shoes are fillable... but damn it will be hard.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jan 13, 2018 20:02:44 GMT -5
I agree. If the first Iron Man wasn’t as great as it was, thanks in large part to Robert Downey Jr.’s performance, I don’t think The Avengers would have been as much of a box office goldmine. I’m sure some people will say “Sure it would have! It’s The Avengers!” Batman vs Superman sucked a bag of weens and look what that did for the Justice League movie. So yeah, Robert Downey Jr. is money and the Marvel universe would never be the same without him.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 13, 2018 20:29:40 GMT -5
It's hard to undersell just how good RDJ is at being Tony Stark. Especially since both Downey and Tony have their personal demons they'd had to overcome and I think Downey brings that experience with him to really make his portrayal feel more authentic.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 13, 2018 20:53:17 GMT -5
Casting RDJ (especially at the time..) was an inspired and bold choice. And it paid off..obviously. But no one is irreplaceable.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 13, 2018 20:57:50 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree.
We're talking about a character that existed for roughly 45 years before Downey played him. Granted, Downey pulled him from mainstream obscurity and made him a household name, but he shouldn't have the role of Tony Stark all to himself.
Now with that said, if the next actor tries to mimic Downey, then he's toast. No one is ever going to play that version better. The thing is, Downey's Stark is very much the Tony Stark seen in The Ultimates. The next actor could go a more 616 route and play him a lot more cool and collected, less eccentric and without all the jokes. That would give them a chance to not feel like a carbon copy. They'll have to win over the audience, but it can be done.
People say the same thing about Hugh Jackman and Wolverine, and the same logic applies. The character is bigger than the actor, and there are plenty of interpretations relatively untouched in cinema.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 13, 2018 22:09:43 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree. We're talking about a character that existed for roughly 45 years before Downey played him. Granted, Downey pulled him from mainstream obscurity and made him a household name, but he shouldn't have the role of Tony Stark all to himself. Now with that said, if the next actor tries to mimic Downey, then he's toast. No one is ever going to play that version better. The thing is, Downey's Stark is very much the Tony Stark seen in The Ultimates. The next actor could go a more 616 route and play him a lot more cool and collected, less eccentric and without all the jokes. That would give them a chance to not feel like a carbon copy. They'll have to win over the audience, but it can be done. People say the same thing about Hugh Jackman and Wolverine, and the same logic applies. The character is bigger than the actor, and there are plenty of interpretations relatively untouched in cinema. Exactly
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 14, 2018 23:11:47 GMT -5
I remember someone bring up Jason Bateman as someone who could replace him, and the idea grew on me, but he’s only four years younger than Downey, so it wouldn’t really work.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 15, 2018 0:14:10 GMT -5
They can do it, it's just that much like I think about Jackman and Wolverine, you're going to have to some time and distance from the portrayal and a different take on the character.
Just as a for instance, Tony was never really as snarky as RDJ's version in the comics up to that point. While that part of Tony has become iconic, if an an actor played Tony more of a straight laced tech genius it could work. Or you could play up the alcoholism/self destructive tendencies that RDJ's version have only hinted at.
There are ways to do it.
Though RDJ is the MVP of the Marvel studios experiment. None of this comes to fruition if he isn't as great as he is in 2008
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 15, 2018 0:22:18 GMT -5
I love RDJ as Stark... but yeah I don't think he's completely irreplaceable.
But the next person better be A. on the top of their game and B. play him in a completely different way.
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Post by Kyn on Jan 15, 2018 0:36:55 GMT -5
RDJ is brilliant as Stark, but I'm sure when he moves on someone else can ably fill the role. I feel like bringing in a relative unknown, who plays it completely different to RDJ, would be the logical next step.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 0:50:19 GMT -5
I'd be happy if Ironman disappeared for a long time. I just find that character always falls between annoying-boring on my personal scale.
That said, RDJ was so clearly made for Tony Stark. To replace him they need a very clean cut actor with no history of problems to avoid comparison in that way. The rest? Probably going to take flak whoever and however it's done but given what a machine the MCU has become he's not irreplaceable.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 15, 2018 0:56:48 GMT -5
Irreplaceable is too strong a word but it's going to take a few years before someone can replace him and you're obviously going to have to go a diff route like others have spoke about before
It can be done but the next actor after him is going to have a tall task ahead of them for sure
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Post by Juice on Jan 15, 2018 14:54:12 GMT -5
Why am I the only one who thinks they would do Iron Man without Stark in the suit as the next attempt? Adding a female perhaps. There's a lot of source material to lift from.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 15, 2018 16:11:20 GMT -5
James Bond is an example of a character being bigger than the actor, so different guys can play him.
Other characters are not bigger than the actors. James T Kirk is an example. Chris Pine does the best he can, but he's not James T Kirk. Indiana Jones is another example. If he's not Harrison Ford, then it's not Indiana Jones.
Iron Man/Tony Stark may be a similar case of the latter.
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Post by Legion on Jan 15, 2018 16:26:47 GMT -5
This is going to be the problem with large scale shared universes moving forward.
We've had universes like Bond before, where Bond changes and a few ancillary characters stay the same, but never really full scale re-casts where other key stars stay the same.
An Avengers film where everyone is the same except RDJ as Tony will be a hard sell. I think at least the first time might require either a) A Bond like big deal about a handover of the character or B) an in universe/story reason for the change, like a zap and de-age or some such (like the mid 90s Iron Man comics).
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 15, 2018 16:30:17 GMT -5
An in-universe progression would be preferable to a re-cast. Give Tony Stark a daughter he didn't know he had who becomes Iron Maiden.
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Post by héad.casé on Jan 15, 2018 19:25:52 GMT -5
Aren't they using a girl as Iron Man in the comics right now? Ri Ri is her name right? Apologies, i'm not reading anything current by Marvel at the moment, but I hear that she's building Iron suits that are way more advanced than anything Stark ever did. Please correct me if i'm wrong, as I say, i'm not reading any current Marvel.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 15, 2018 20:30:03 GMT -5
I don't think it'll be that big a deal if some actors are different and some aren't. It's already happened given that Ruffalo replaced Norton. Granted, they hadn't all interacted then, but both General Ross and RDJ appeared in the Norton Hulk movie and then again in Civil War and that wasn't a big deal.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 15, 2018 21:17:37 GMT -5
I don't think it'll be that big a deal if some actors are different and some aren't. It's already happened given that Ruffalo replaced Norton. Granted, they hadn't all interacted then, but both General Ross and RDJ appeared in the Norton Hulk movie and then again in Civil War and that wasn't a big deal. It's happened a bunch of times. Ruffalo replaced Norton. Cheadle replaced Terrence Howard Zachary Levi replaced Joshua Dallas
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