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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 16, 2018 3:00:47 GMT -5
For the record, that Dunne/Aries match is in Canada for Destiny this weekend.
The only feds other than WWE that have UK Title matches are PROGRESS and ICW, though Dunne is allowed to carry the title out at some other promotions.
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 16, 2018 4:19:59 GMT -5
I mean, I'm never going to complain about the Dunne/Bate series.
More to the point... I won't complain because most of the time, when WWE offers more of something, that 'something' ends up a little bit or a lot ruined. Things are fine as they are now for now: a special attraction for NXT.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 16, 2018 4:25:50 GMT -5
Much like the CW title, it actually wasn’t a terrible idea on paper. But it’s mow looking pretty plain that WWE got ahead of themselves and perhaps it was too ambitious of a concept for its own good.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 16, 2018 4:31:56 GMT -5
Much like the CW title, it actually wasn’t a terrible idea on paper. But it’s mow looking pretty plain that WWE got ahead of themselves and perhaps it was too ambitious of a concept for its own good. I'm actually pretty happy with how it's turning out. It's a territorial title, the guy holding it and his challengers are basically representatives of the UK scene, kayfabe it works, you're the best in your area, so you get to be on the worldwide stage. Also gives a little boost to the promotions here when they can have an actual WWE champion on their show as the UK tends to be a little more smarky and aware of NXT because we only get a couple of tours a year so we've had to be, so it is actually a bit of a draw. |
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Post by Starshine on Jan 16, 2018 5:38:25 GMT -5
I mean, I'm never going to complain about the Dunne/Bate series. More to the point... I won't complain because most of the time, when WWE offers more of something, that 'something' ends up a little bit or a lot ruined. Things are fine as they are now for now: a special attraction for NXT. I'd argue if you take the belt away the Dunne/Bate series still goes on. Dunne wants a rematch cause Bate beat him, then they do the rubber match. They don't need the belt for any of that. The problem with the belt as it stands is it feels like a vanity title for a small set of wrestlers who only really turn up part-time. For example, I don't think anyone believed for a second that Johnny Gargano would win the UK belt when he wrestled for it. Pete Dunne himself doesn't feel any more important for holding it compared to his debut angle in the tournament. It just seems completely redundant. The only notable thing about it is that it gets defended in outside companies, but then I'd also argue the bigger deal is that contracted talent gets to be on these shows to begin with. I don't see your typical fan thinking his a local Progress Show is can't miss because the WWE UK Title is going to be defended. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 16, 2018 5:38:41 GMT -5
It's a nice looking belt that has had two good champions, and puts a little more "World" in World Wrestling Entertainment. I have no real complaints, even if in a perfect world, WWE would have a UK television show right now for it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 16, 2018 5:50:23 GMT -5
I don't see your typical fan thinking his a local Progress Show is can't miss because the WWE UK Title is going to be defended. I can see your general point but you have to remember that PROGRESS and most UK promotions, earned their reputations through the type of shows they did and the talent they produced. Most of the talent that’s getting worldwide acclaim came from PROGRESS and one of the reasons the reputation has grown is because of other promotions getting that talent to help with producing their own stars and it’s from there. It might attract the mainstream fan if a UK title match was on there but the audience here is self aware and more different so it isn’t a massive factor. WWE wanted them and ICW for the fanbase they had now, really. Now, if I were WWE, I’d want to try and build relations with smaller indies and give them a UK title match to help build the reputation of the title not only being designated to the big two. But then, WWE’s seeing where things go before building more on the UK scene and seems to be giving it a tonne of distance and leeway for stuff. If WWE were in full control, you wouldn’t have seen British Strong Style anywhere near any show with anyone from NJPW. But they were on two in one weekend. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 16, 2018 6:15:51 GMT -5
Lol creating the belt was a panic move because wrestling was getting hot in the UK or something. But then it turned out to be a flash in the pan so they just forgot about it. Classic WWE It's not that it's a flash in the pan, it's that nobody watches 205 Live and WWE is trying to trim the budget so trying to start a weekly UK show at the moment just isn't financially feasible. That said this is something they really should have thought out beforehand. Yeah, they took it on the chin when they did the UK shows for the Network which is why they decided to hold off until they could get a UK TV deal for it to ensure it wasn't going to be a money pit. Had the UK specials been financially successful (or honestly, if they'd even broken even likely) they'd have launched the regular show by now. |
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 16, 2018 6:51:45 GMT -5
I mean, I'm never going to complain about the Dunne/Bate series. More to the point... I won't complain because most of the time, when WWE offers more of something, that 'something' ends up a little bit or a lot ruined. Things are fine as they are now for now: a special attraction for NXT. I'd argue if you take the belt away the Dunne/Bate series still goes on. Dunne wants a rematch cause Bate beat him, then they do the rubber match. They don't need the belt for any of that. The problem with the belt as it stands is it feels like a vanity title for a small set of wrestlers who only really turn up part-time. For example, I don't think anyone believed for a second that Johnny Gargano would win the UK belt when he wrestled for it. Pete Dunne himself doesn't feel any more important for holding it compared to his debut angle in the tournament. It just seems completely redundant. The only notable thing about it is that it gets defended in outside companies, but then I'd also argue the bigger deal is that contracted talent gets to be on these shows to begin with. I don't see your typical fan thinking his a local Progress Show is can't miss because the WWE UK Title is going to be defended. I agree that it's not sustainable in the long-term or even maybe two years from now. One solution is bringing the title to NXT but they seem to be holding out hope for a standalone show and a standalone division. Because '205 Live' is doing so well. |
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Jan 16, 2018 8:18:12 GMT -5
We will always have Bate vs Dunne from Chicago, the best match in a WWE ring in 2017, probably the best match in a WWE ring in recent memory in my opinion. It still baffles me how they didn't capitalize on Dunne with the title after that night. I would have had him on Raw the following Monday, maybe working with Neville or Gallagher.
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