Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 17, 2018 14:18:01 GMT -5
I wonder what the average subscriber to viewer ratio is? I don't subscribe to the few things I watch.
With net neutrality, automation and the like things feel like a game of musical chairs with half the players never moving.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 17, 2018 14:34:13 GMT -5
On the one hand, I can understand the decision because it was dumb to allow any channel to be monetized to begin with. On the other hand, f*** YouTube for yet again screwing thousands of channels over with little to no forewarning. Also, yeah, it was dumb to allow all channels to be monetized, but it's not everyone else who should be paying the price of Google's boneheaded decisions. Hey, maybe they could save some money by stopping their endless redesigns and algorithms nobody asked for. On the one hand, I get that it sucks if you're not making videos full time and were hoping to get money for it, but on the other hand, Google can do what they want, and if they're not willing to spend money on that anymore, it is what it is. I really f'ing hate that argument. "It's not illegal so no one is allowed to complain or do anything about it". First of all, that's not true in the slightest. Just because you own something doesn't mean you "can do whatever you want" with it. Companies still have duties towards their clients, employees, financial backers and business partners; some of them legal, some of them social and some of them moral. Yeah Google is perfectly within their right to not support stuff they don't want to, that's not any reason anybody should be okay with it. Second, how does it make any sense to say about a company that relies entirely on public output? You can't have a business model that relies on users providing as much content as possible while simultaneously antagonizing said users. So no, people should not, in fact, bow down and accept whatever bullshit big companies come up with just because it's not outright illegal. |
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 17, 2018 14:37:17 GMT -5
"It's not illegal so no one is allowed to complain or do anything about it". And I hate when people put words in my mouth that I didn't say. |
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Blindkarevik
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 17, 2018 15:16:51 GMT -5
I'll be honest, there's a whole world of content on YouTube. Tons of genres I know nothing about because they don't interest me, or I just don't even know they exist. In that, I can't really speak on how these rules will effect them other than it's a huge "f*** you" across the board to anybody who isn't already established. People who are looking to make YouTube their full-time job, or at least their gateway to landing their dream job, are going to be screwed by this. People who are doing this with a team are screwed by this. People who put a lot of time and money into the production of their videos will be screwed by this. It essentially makes the gap between "I wanna be a YouTuber" and "I am a successful Youtuber" so wide, it's even more rare for a start-up to ascend to that level.
However, when you look at Lets Players, Reaction videos, Vloggers, etc,.... anyone who doesn't put hours upon hours of editing time after their videos have been recorded, that have a shot to get to a level where they can monetize their content. However, these people have to go into it with the mindset that this is just a hobby, and that can kill a lot of motivation. With the ground floor being so high at this point, there is a much higher RNG element to any sort of success as a YouTuber where there are a lot of people who will get frustrated and quit before they hit their stride, there will be a lot of great ideas that go forever unseen and unheard, and it'll definitely create an atmosphere where people are more willing to whore themselves out for views. It's already happening with streamers and YouTubers doing Let's Plays as their livelihood. If there's a game they don't care for, but the viewers like it... they get stuck in this spot where they either have to play something they hate, or they don't make their bills. It goes from taking, what seems like a dream job, and turns it into the exact same type of slog a 9-5 job would have. And now with all these new rules, people will be more likely to take the one or two things that work and beat those dead horses until they reach partner status....
In short, it's encouraging a new group of Logan Pauls, rather than trying to prevent them.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 17, 2018 16:47:14 GMT -5
YouTube only caring about their top guys and telling the little guy to piss off, so the status quo. Because they've been rewarded well by their top guys PewDiePie and Logan Paul... Seriously, I really hope some company can come and provide a different model for people to post their stuff and try to make some money out of it without having their legs cut out from under them every single time. But I don't think they're going to be able to. |
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 17, 2018 16:52:21 GMT -5
YouTube only caring about their top guys and telling the little guy to piss off, so the status quo. Because they've been rewarded well by their top guys PewDiePie and Logan Paul... Seriously, I really hope some company can come and provide a different model for people to post their stuff and try to make some money out of it without having their legs cut out from under them every single time. But I don't think they're going to be able to. The "Good Times" never last forever. I just feel like more people should have been cognizant of that. A friend of mine has been talking about moving up to where I live, and has been trying to find a job (through the internet) up here for a few months now. He said when he finally gets up here, he wanted me to start making videos with him (which he has very little experience with, and I have none at all). The first thing I said was "I hope you don't plan on making any money off of it, because that's just not going to happen." |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 17, 2018 22:01:41 GMT -5
I have two main channels that are affected differently by this. One is Wrestling Figure Legacy, which I know several of you are familiar with, the other is a personal hobby channel I've had for 9 years.
WFL managed to get nearly 2 MILLION minutes of watch time and nearly 6,000 subs in about 7 months. It was wildly successful both in terms of revenue and in terms of viewer numbers well beyond what I was expecting. I'm very fortunate and appreciative of this. This channel will not be affected by the change at all.
My other channel? It's done. I hover around 500 subs, have plenty of lifetime watch time, but I have trouble getting subs due to the hodgepodge nature of things. That channel is more so about individual interest videos. I make money on it every month, but it's way more flimsy. I have been a partner for 9 years, and I have done my best to meet guidelines and try and moderate my content. To just say "f*** you" to me after all this time instead of grandfathering us who have been around this long is absurd. If this policy started "as of" next month to new users and didn't affect those of us who have been here, I'd still feel it was the wrong way to go but at least it'd be more digestible.
My question is this - what happens when this bar keeps lifting? And a better question, how the hell does this prevent and punish the more hacky shady YouTube 'personalities' from creating exploitative or questionable content that ultimately winds up screwing the rest of us over? It's like this whole thing a smokescreen to please advertising companies while still being able to keep their big moneymakers. I've seen so much B.S. clickbaity "reaction" content from people making BANK while being partnered, doing 3 figure numbers, and something tells me they'll continue to profit and small creators will continue to struggle to get their content noticed.
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MAGGLE
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 17, 2018 22:20:18 GMT -5
I think everyone is overreacting ALOT!
1. If you cant get 1000subs in a year there is a clear error in your product.
2. If you are in this to get quick cash then you dont even deserve to be here. It would take 50k subs to make money at all back in the day.
If you like to create content then do so, if you stop creating just because you are not getting your 10dollars a month then you never really had a passion for it. For youtube to be your main job, you should atleast have 100k subscribers, everything under that is irresponsible anyway.
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Crimson
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Post by Crimson on Jan 18, 2018 0:37:38 GMT -5
Also in regards to the whole "why don't they punish the actual perpetrators up top" argument that has cropped up. I agree, but it's not done for two reasons. The first is the obvious (youtube still gets banks from them) and the second is it's not just limited to the PDP, Logan Paul and Keemstar's of youtube, but also those lesser drama and people giving their political hottakes on vlogs on the site. This is very much an "over correction" to weed out all the copycats. Of course, youtube created this problem themselves, I'm not going to deny that.  |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 18, 2018 3:00:44 GMT -5
"It's not illegal so no one is allowed to complain or do anything about it". And I hate when people put words in my mouth that I didn't say. How am I putting anything in your mouth? Here are your exact words: "Google can do what they want, and if they're not willing to spend money on that anymore, it is what it is." How are we supposed to take that to mean anything other than people should submit and accept it, and that Google should have no obligation towards their audience or their business partners? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 9:02:29 GMT -5
What some content creators don't get is. When literally anyone can be one, it loses all value. Not everyone can be Seinfeld and have a hit TV show, so he had a lot of negotiating power with NBC. But anyone can make videos and upload them to youtube. You can't expect to have them value your content when there are millions of people providing the exact same thing.
Making content has become the equivalent of unskilled labor.
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