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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 29, 2018 12:18:46 GMT -5
This isn't the 80s anymore people...all this talk about "these things happen, he deserved it" and "receipts are good, hope Braun has learned his lesson so he doesn't do it again" are entirely missing the point. Braun (or ANY guy on the roster) doesn't get to "deserve to get stiffed back" because of an accident. Brock is a (supposedly) former professional MMA fighter and needs to remember there is a difference between shoot fighting and the pretend fighting he's currently getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to do on 1/10th of a schedule the rest of the roster he's supposed to be working with. Accidents happen, but Brock's retaliation and the 'stupid motherf***ER' screaming is childish crap that Orton pulled over 8 years ago in his 20s. I bet several of the same people defending Brock for his actions would be railing on Cena had he retaliated on Rollins when he got kneed in the face and legit broke his nose (but didn't, since he's an actual professional unlike the man-baby Lesnar)? Or how's about the time New Jack beat Gypsy Joe into retirement because he refused to sell and had hit him legit several times? Brock is FORTY years old and making the kind of money that would pay for at least a dozen new recruits in the performance center. If he can't tell the difference between a legitimate knee and a fake one because his head is stuck back in the early Ruthless Aggression era, he needs to get off of the pretend fighting stage and go join UFC or Bellator and go live out his shoot fighting fantasy there. I don't care how tough you think you are and what 'should' happen it's a fake fight, when you can no longer control your emotions in a choreographed match that is supposed to be entertaining a family-focused crowd, and use your legitimate fighting training to throw punches that could not only cause damage but actually threaten their life, you no longer deserve to be on that stage anymore. I'm absolutely done with Lesnar after tonight, and anyone who can still support this guy after all of this has lost a ton of respect in my eyes. We are talking about an exhibition of simulated fighting here. A mistake can mean a serious injury. A head shot receipt for an accident isn't needed, but a good hard shot to a safe place to remind a guy "be careful next time" isn't a bad thing, considering the line of work.
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Post by Juice on Jan 29, 2018 12:20:44 GMT -5
I don't think any of us have the right to question it until we unexpectedly have a near 400 lbs former strongman ram his knee cap into the side of our skull. First, unless he's got the biggest kneecaps on the planet: ![](https://i.imgur.com/WtdaIAM.png) He hit him with his thigh (femur at most), which is a hell of a lot bigger and spread out across his face compared to a right hook to the temple. Second, I don't need to take an accidental shot to the side of the head to know that I would rather take it than a deliberate shot to the skull. My guess if is that these two really just enjoy laying it in. But if this is a receipt I think it has to do with Brocks colliflour ear.
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Post by Crow Dust on Jan 29, 2018 12:27:26 GMT -5
So last year Jinder accidentally messes up Balor with a forearm people want his head or for him to get a receipt like being fired or hurt now Brock is on the Finn end but actually retaliates and people want his head what is the difference here?
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Post by edgestar on Jan 29, 2018 12:29:17 GMT -5
This isn't the 80s anymore people...all this talk about "these things happen, he deserved it" and "receipts are good, hope Braun has learned his lesson so he doesn't do it again" are entirely missing the point. Braun (or ANY guy on the roster) doesn't get to "deserve to get stiffed back" because of an accident. Brock is a (supposedly) former professional MMA fighter and needs to remember there is a difference between shoot fighting and the pretend fighting he's currently getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to do on 1/10th of a schedule the rest of the roster he's supposed to be working with. Accidents happen, but Brock's retaliation and the 'stupid motherf***ER' screaming is childish crap that Orton pulled over 8 years ago in his 20s. I bet several of the same people defending Brock for his actions would be railing on Cena had he retaliated on Rollins when he got kneed in the face and legit broke his nose (but didn't, since he's an actual professional unlike the man-baby Lesnar)? Or how's about the time New Jack beat Gypsy Joe into retirement because he refused to sell and had hit him legit several times? Brock is FORTY years old and making the kind of money that would pay for at least a dozen new recruits in the performance center. If he can't tell the difference between a legitimate knee and a fake one because his head is stuck back in the early Ruthless Aggression era, he needs to get off of the pretend fighting stage and go join UFC or Bellator and go live out his shoot fighting fantasy there. I don't care how tough you think you are and what 'should' happen it's a fake fight, when you can no longer control your emotions in a choreographed match that is supposed to be entertaining a family-focused crowd, and use your legitimate fighting training to throw punches that could not only cause damage but actually threaten their life, you no longer deserve to be on that stage anymore. I'm absolutely done with Lesnar after tonight, and anyone who can still support this guy after all of this has lost a ton of respect in my eyes. I guess I’ve lost all your respect oh no His comment didn't need this response. Back to the Brauning!!
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 29, 2018 12:34:50 GMT -5
Didn't Brock also stiff him in the 2016 Royal Rumble match? Every single time the two of them have been in any kind of match, Braun has made a mistake and Lesnar has been an unprofessional man-baby in response. ![](http://i.imgur.com/W25b0ov.gif?noredirect) ![](http://i.imgur.com/RaFahYH.gif) These two need to be separated, and Lesnar needs to get the hell away from 'fake fighting' if he can't ever control his temper facing him. Wait, your examples of why Brock is a reckless, dangerous fighter are 2 of the safest "stiff" strikes I've ever seen?
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Post by Tenshigure on Jan 29, 2018 12:38:55 GMT -5
So last year Jinder accidentally messes up Balor with a forearm people want his head or for him to get a receipt like being fired or hurt now Brock gets is on the Finn end but actually retaliates and people want his head what is the difference here? The community is large enough that consensus is different on many accounts. Now this is only my personal opinion, but I feel Jinder's strike is no different than what happened when Kofi kicked Miz direct in the face, or Miz failing to catch R-Truth. They were accidents, none of which were malicious in intent, but certainly brought their ability to work safely into question. Sure, we got made at Jinder, Kofi, and Miz for their respective botches causing bodily harm to their opponents...but I'd be hard pressed to imagine anyone would think that any of those three were actually out for blood on their opponents. The same really can't be said for Lesnar's retaliation, and I for one would have the same response had Finn, Miz, or R-Truth had retaliated in the same form or fashion to be honest. But, much like how Cena shook Nakamura's hand and told him not to apologize for dumping him on his neck, those three were professionals in their craft in the moment it happened. I can't say the same for Lesnar whenever he's in the ring with Braun and Braun messes up. Braun failed to protect Brock with his leg strikes, Brock CHOSE to stop protecting Braun when he 'gave him a receipt'. That's where my line is drawn.
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Post by Crow Dust on Jan 29, 2018 12:42:56 GMT -5
So last year Jinder accidentally messes up Balor with a forearm people want his head or for him to get a receipt like being fired or hurt now Brock gets is on the Finn end but actually retaliates and people want his head what is the difference here? The community is large enough that consensus is different on many accounts. Now this is only my personal opinion, but I feel Jinder's strike is no different than what happened when Kofi kicked Miz direct in the face, or Miz failing to catch R-Truth. They were accidents, none of which were malicious in intent, but certainly brought their ability to work safely into question. Sure, we got made at Jinder, Kofi, and Miz for their respective botches causing bodily harm to their opponents...but I'd be hard pressed to imagine anyone would think that any of those three were actually out for blood on their opponents. The same really can't be said for Lesnar's retaliation, and I for one would have the same response had Finn, Miz, or R-Truth had retaliated in the same form or fashion to be honest. But, much like how Cena shook Nakamura's hand and told him not to apologize for dumping him on his neck, those three were professionals in their craft in the moment it happened. I can't say the same for Lesnar whenever he's in the ring with Braun and Braun messes up. Out for Blood though this is Brock if he was out for blood people would know and Braun would not have gotten back up sure it wasn't professional but it sure wasn't as bad as your making it out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 12:48:00 GMT -5
One of the things I’ll never get about this industry is receipts. Was Strowman careless and maybe even unprofessional there? Absolutely. Is the answer to that giving Braun a concussion, too? WTF? No! There's a huge difference between a receipt to keep a guy honest for a stiff shot and the longest reigning UFC Heavyweight champ throwing blows that almost knocked a 350 pound man out on his feet He is not the longest reigning UFC Champ, but that's not what your point was, is it ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 29, 2018 13:02:57 GMT -5
So last year Jinder accidentally messes up Balor with a forearm people want his head or for him to get a receipt like being fired or hurt now Brock is on the Finn end but actually retaliates and people want his head what is the difference here? I think both are overblown and that neither was a big deal personally.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 29, 2018 13:27:47 GMT -5
Yeh sorry for my snarky comment earlier. Dunno why I said that.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 29, 2018 13:33:03 GMT -5
So last year Jinder accidentally messes up Balor with a forearm people want his head or for him to get a receipt like being fired or hurt now Brock is on the Finn end but actually retaliates and people want his head what is the difference here? I don't think people were calling for a former UFC Champion to punch Jinder in the temple.
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Post by BatPunk on Jan 29, 2018 13:37:14 GMT -5
The thing is, accidents happen. Accidents happening at almost 400 pounds could be catastrophic. I think it was totally fair for Brock to give him a receipt to slow Braun down. Could it have been done better? Of course. No one wants to see anyone get messed up. But in the course of the match and how physical both men are, maybe a tap on the nose at around 50% would have sufficed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 13:40:07 GMT -5
Brock seems to have the mental state of a 7th grade bully from a high school drama. Tomorrow he's gonna come out and brag about how his stepdad works at Microsoft and let him see Halo 6 early before dropping twelve homophobic slurs. When in reality, his stepdad was recently let go from the foundry.
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Post by Powerline on Jan 29, 2018 13:46:07 GMT -5
Like, I get (don't support, but get it) Brock giving him a shot back for it. Getting receipts for stuff like that, even accidental, has been part of the game for years and still is. But just being a raging dick after...I originally typed in here that "Brock has to be more professional than that", but at this point that shitty attitude of his is par for the course for Brock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 14:12:26 GMT -5
Like, I get (don't support, but get it) Brock giving him a shot back for it. Getting receipts for stuff like that, even accidental, has been part of the game for years and still is. But just being a raging dick after...I originally typed in here that "Brock has to be more professional than that", but at this point that shitty attitude of his is par for the course for Brock. Yeah, plus the argument of "Brock will do anything as long as he's paid" is starting to wear off. Dude gets $12 million a year to work 4 or 5 shows; you'd think between stuff like this and the Randy Orton hardway would get SOME kind of reprimand.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2018 14:16:36 GMT -5
Didn't Brock also stiff him in the 2016 Royal Rumble match? Every single time the two of them have been in any kind of match, Braun has made a mistake and Lesnar has been an unprofessional man-baby in response. ![](http://i.imgur.com/W25b0ov.gif?noredirect) ![](http://i.imgur.com/RaFahYH.gif) These two need to be separated, and Lesnar needs to get the hell away from 'fake fighting' if he can't ever control his temper facing him. The Rumble spot was on Braun He was green as shit and Brock had to put him on his ass because he wouldn't fall back
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jan 29, 2018 14:18:53 GMT -5
Loved it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2018 14:22:02 GMT -5
So last year Jinder accidentally messes up Balor with a forearm people want his head or for him to get a receipt like being fired or hurt now Brock is on the Finn end but actually retaliates and people want his head what is the difference here? I think both are overblown and that neither was a big deal personally. Yea, the Jinder hit was a clear accident of being too stiff and peoples overreaction was way over the top Brock was pissed and I don't agree with punching Braun in the face but it's in the heat of the moment The one thing with Brock is if you are in the ring with him he can dish it and take it so you better be ready as well
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Post by MAD TITAN on Jan 29, 2018 14:32:19 GMT -5
Didn't Brock get pissed at Braun at the Rumble two years ago which resulted in Brock doing this ![](https://i.imgur.com/W25b0ov.gif) Edit: Already mentioned. Lovely chemistry between the two. LOL
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 29, 2018 14:42:36 GMT -5
Every single time the two of them have been in any kind of match, Braun has made a mistake and Lesnar has been an unprofessional man-baby in response. ![](http://i.imgur.com/W25b0ov.gif?noredirect) ![](http://i.imgur.com/RaFahYH.gif) These two need to be separated, and Lesnar needs to get the hell away from 'fake fighting' if he can't ever control his temper facing him. Wait, your examples of why Brock is a reckless, dangerous fighter are 2 of the safest "stiff" strikes I've ever seen? I don't think the clothesline is safe. He absolutely hammered his forearm into the side of his head like "if you won't fall down then I'm gonna MAKE you fall down". The knee is fine though and I never understand why people talk about it being a "real" shot or dangerous.
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