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Post by Surfer Sandman on Feb 11, 2018 17:19:00 GMT -5
I find it racist and so do others with native heritage. It's similar to racist caricatures of African Americans.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 11, 2018 19:21:18 GMT -5
I've always heard for the most part, that most Native American groups are ok with the team names (Indians, Braves, Seminoles, etc.) It's the logos like Wahoo and the Tomahawk chop stuff that they don't like due to stereotypes. Obviously, the Redskins are insulting. I feel like if Snyder changed them to the Washington Warriors or something, nobody would complain. Yeah, any time I play that team on Madden that is one change I always make. Hell, even their alternate logo is tolerable enough with that name. Now, I don't have a lot of dog in the fight (I do have some Native American ancestry on both sides of my family, but not enough to say I am part of that community), but I do find the Chief Wahoo logo pretty offensive. I also don't see the point of having a caricature logo in this day and age anyways. It's a terrible look even if the logo manages to not be insensitive in any way. Now, the only question I have relates to the use of retro uniforms. I fine them to generally be a fascinating thing that most teams do and I even prefer them oftentimes (I dare anyone to tell me that those dark blue retro logo helmets the Broncos wore with their color rush uniforms weren't the bomb). That logo was in place for a very long time. Will they simply not do retro uniforms (or do MLB teams simply not do it anyways? I don't really watch the sport anymore)?
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Post by Cyno on Feb 13, 2018 14:21:56 GMT -5
It's a leprechaun, which isn't real. If you think he's drunk that's on you, and most of the original founders of the university were Irish. If you'd like to learn more about the Irish connection to Notre Dame, as well as thoughts on the nickname and some of Notre Dame's strong and continued connections to Ireland: www.nd.edu/features/whats-in-a-name/Yeah, that's the biggest difference between something like ND's Fighting Irish and the Native American imagery in sports logos: ND's name, mascot, logo, etc come from a place of pride and ownership, considering how much of an Irish connection the university has. I mean, if there's ever been a pro team actually owned by Native Americans who also came up with the imagery or name, that'd be an entirely different story. But it's always been white people exploiting their images for their own monetary gain.
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