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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 20, 2018 10:59:34 GMT -5
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 20, 2018 14:46:42 GMT -5
Here is the ultimate problem with any Tama Tonga as the leader scenario: The dude isn't remotely a top guy. NJPW isn't likely to push him to any singles title so him becoming the leader of the Bullet Club would probably just reduce the BC to a marginal faction within NJPW. There's no guarantee they don't find a new ace or Tama doesn't step up to become a bigger factor, but there's also no real reason Bullet Club can't scale back a little bit for a while. Their role as top heel stable seems to be gone, and after years of the company being built on the back of Bullet Club vs. CHAOS, is letting BC take a backseat for a while to LIJ or Suzuki-Gun all that bad an idea? It's time to freshen the scene up a bit, and the crowd is so f***ing ready for Kenny as a face. I say, let it happen. They don't need a top star in the main event scene if they can instead work the tag divisions and such just fine.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 20, 2018 14:53:07 GMT -5
Tama just sitting back in the cut like "Let these fools fight, and I'm gonna wreck the winner".
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 20, 2018 18:05:00 GMT -5
Tama be like.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 20, 2018 18:13:47 GMT -5
But whose side is Juicy Gino on?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 20, 2018 18:19:15 GMT -5
But whose side is Juicy Gino on? Gino's just happy to be in the room, man.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 20, 2018 18:53:39 GMT -5
But whose side is Juicy Gino on? Gino's just happy to be in the room, man. Gino just sort of walked in and hoped everyone was either super cool with him being there or just didn't really notice or ask who invited him.
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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2018 19:03:17 GMT -5
Gino's just happy to be in the room, man. Gino just sort of walked in and hoped everyone was either super cool with him being there or just didn't really notice or ask who invited him. That was me at every industry party I somehow got into so I can relate.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 20, 2018 19:04:10 GMT -5
Given that there are going to be Funko toys and all sorts of merchandise as well as the All In show I don't really see any actual definitive things happening here. If Cody is staying on the ROH/NJPW scene he kind of needs that Bullet Club connection. I suppose Omega and the Bucks can branch off as The Elite but to me The Elite mainly works as a subgroup to the Bullet Club and might not resonate as much without out it. Oddly enough I think someone like Scurll would be okay without being in it since he had the Villain gimmick anyway.
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Post by eJm on Feb 20, 2018 19:15:17 GMT -5
Given that there are going to be Funko toys and all sorts of merchandise as well as the All In show I don't really see any actual definitive things happening here. You say that but, using Funkos as an example, the Enzo and Big Cass pack came out a good couple of months after their breakup so I’d say that stuff’s ready to go no matter what’s being booked. PWT is a different thing, I’m guessing but merchandise of that level doesn’t really abide to that.
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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 20, 2018 20:33:45 GMT -5
No chance they are working everyone leading to a 'finger poke of doom' thing leading to some kind of title match in NJPW for Kenny or something?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 20, 2018 21:00:54 GMT -5
No chance they are working everyone leading to a 'fiber poke of doom' thing leading to some kind of title match in NJPW for Kenny or something? RoH's big Wrestlemania weekend show ending with a Fingerpoke just isn't happening.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Feb 20, 2018 22:46:07 GMT -5
Tama be like. I'M DEAD
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 21, 2018 7:44:47 GMT -5
"It's like Cody said, Bullet Club is fine." That line makes me wonder; when Tama says that, who exactly does he consider as Bullet Club? The other Tongans obviously, and probably Yujiro, but what about Scurll? The Young Bucks? Hangman Page? Plus, I think the whole "Too Sweet" thing might have been a test. The Bucks saying "you know we can't do that anymore" might have been a sign to Tama that the Bucks have gone soft. That them obeying the cease & desist shows that their merch sales and marketability are more important to them than Bullet Club's reputation. If they were still hard, they'd have said "f*** the cease & desist" and kept doing the Too Sweet anyway. In short, I've got a feeling that Kenny and Cody won't be the only ones leaving Bullet Club against their will. I'm inclined to agree. Tama throwing up the Two Sweet was a test, and the Bucks failed it. Bullet Club is fine. The Elite? Not so much. Tama's going to let Cody & Kenny destroy each other and after all the infighting is resolved, he'll pick the bones, keep whoever he thinks is worthy, and cull the rest. He's gonna go full Red Wedding on someone, and it's going to be great. And until then, he's chill as f***, because he doesn't care about Cody or Kenny anymore and their squabble doesn't concern him when he has his plan.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 21, 2018 10:15:30 GMT -5
No chance they are working everyone leading to a ' fiber poke of doom' thing leading to some kind of title match in NJPW for Kenny or something? RoH's big Wrestlemania weekend show ending with a Fingerpoke just isn't happening. But it could still end with a fiber poke. Kenny shoves a can of Metamucil into Cody's chest and Cody just falls over.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 21, 2018 10:36:36 GMT -5
Here is the ultimate problem with any Tama Tonga as the leader scenario: The dude isn't remotely a top guy. NJPW isn't likely to push him to any singles title so him becoming the leader of the Bullet Club would probably just reduce the BC to a marginal faction within NJPW. He didn't feel ready in G1, but we'll see if he's going to rise to the occasion, if he takes the reigns. To be frank, I don't think Kenny was quite ready to lead. People were still learning to buy into him, and Okada had that issue, too, where you'd see people slagging the Rainmaker as an underwhelming finisher, etc. They grew into it and then some.
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2018 11:16:22 GMT -5
Here is the ultimate problem with any Tama Tonga as the leader scenario: The dude isn't remotely a top guy. NJPW isn't likely to push him to any singles title so him becoming the leader of the Bullet Club would probably just reduce the BC to a marginal faction within NJPW. He didn't feel ready in G1, but we'll see if he's going to rise to the occasion, if he takes the reigns. To be frank, I don't think Kenny was quite ready to lead. People were still learning to buy into him, and Okada had that issue, too, where you'd see people slagging the Rainmaker as an underwhelming finisher, etc. They grew into it and then some. The way I see with this sort of thing is that the beauty of pro wrestling is that you can try something and see if it works if you allow the talent the right opportunity or if everything clicks. It’s something more places should appreciate. Look at Jay White. They gave him the role and got him a character and, yeah, he didn’t start well but he’s getting into his role now and his character at the moment is a dude who causes chaos wherever he goes to the point where Okada’s risking a lot to have him on his side for the time being. If this was WWE or TNA, 95% of the time dude’d be done after the first night. So at this point, there’s no harm in trying with Tama. The story being crafted suits and worst case scenario, someone else takes over from him to get proper stability back.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 21, 2018 11:28:44 GMT -5
He didn't feel ready in G1, but we'll see if he's going to rise to the occasion, if he takes the reigns. To be frank, I don't think Kenny was quite ready to lead. People were still learning to buy into him, and Okada had that issue, too, where you'd see people slagging the Rainmaker as an underwhelming finisher, etc. They grew into it and then some. The way I see with this sort of thing is that the beauty of pro wrestling is that you can try something and see if it works if you allow the talent the right opportunity or if everything clicks. It’s something more places should appreciate. Look at Jay White. They gave him the role and got him a character and, yeah, he didn’t start well but he’s getting into his role now and his character at the moment is a dude who causes chaos wherever he goes to the point where Okada’s risking a lot to have him on his side for the time being. If this was WWE or TNA, 95% of the time dude’d be done after the first night. So at this point, there’s no harm in trying with Tama. The story being crafted suits and worst case scenario, someone else takes over from him to get proper stability back. Plus, like some of us have pointed out before, there's a couple of things to consider going forward: for one, the actual faction landscape of NJPW might be in flux soon, as the two biggest groups (CHAOS and Bullet Club) might be headed to at the very least reorganizations, if not full on splintering, so the need to have a top heavyweight as the leader of each mega faction may not be as necessary as it has been the past couple of years. Maybe we get a series of smaller factions, or they otherwise reshuffle into forms we haven't been able to predict yet. Second, again, let's not forget that even during the height of AJ's time in NJPW that Karl Anderson was still technically the group's leader; it's possible to get Tama in a spot like that while bringing in somebody new to be the reformed Club's "ace". I agree that Tama's singles work isn't where it needs to be in order for him to fully compete with Okada, Omega, Naito, and Suzuki, but it's possible he could help dictate the character and direction of a new Bullet Club while a new ace fights their biggest matches. EDIT: That said, while I think CHAOS may be in line to be reformed in some way soon, for the moment...CHAOS is fine. https://www.instagram.com/p/BfbvzPRHHJ2
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2018 11:56:56 GMT -5
I want to see what kind of Rocky montage lead to that picture happening.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Feb 21, 2018 11:57:54 GMT -5
"It's like Cody said, Bullet Club is fine." That line makes me wonder; when Tama says that, who exactly does he consider as Bullet Club? The other Tongans obviously, and probably Yujiro, but what about Scurll? The Young Bucks? Hangman Page? Plus, I think the whole "Too Sweet" thing might have been a test. The Bucks saying "you know we can't do that anymore" might have been a sign to Tama that the Bucks have gone soft. That them obeying the cease & desist shows that their merch sales and marketability are more important to them than Bullet Club's reputation. If they were still hard, they'd have said "f*** the cease & desist" and kept doing the Too Sweet anyway. In short, I've got a feeling that Kenny and Cody won't be the only ones leaving Bullet Club against their will. I'm inclined to agree. Tama throwing up the Two Sweet was a test, and the Bucks failed it. Bullet Club is fine. The Elite? Not so much. Tama's going to let Cody & Kenny destroy each other and after all the infighting is resolved, he'll pick the bones, keep whoever he thinks is worthy, and cull the rest. He's gonna go full Red Wedding on someone, and it's going to be great. And until then, he's chill as f***, because he doesn't care about Cody or Kenny anymore and their squabble doesn't concern him when he has his plan. Excellent point. I could see Marty getting the pull to stay out of the Elite side of things since he also seems to be playing neutral for the moment.
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