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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 3:59:40 GMT -5
I used to be casual friends with Tammy, and can basically say without going too personal that basically she's two different people. There's sweet Tammy who has been battered around by life, is caring, happy, fun but guarded and defensive. And there's Tammy who as a result of the same battering and defensiveness makes bad decisions, self destructs and lashes out at everyone. It's horrible to see your friend like that because that's when she falls into addiction and lashes out. It's easy to forget a) just how talented she was but also b) just how young she was. A combination of personal issues, too much fame too soon and people who could exploit that rather than guide or help that messed her up further. That's not to say she's blameless, her abrasive side is deeply unpleasant and can make her a nightmare so I can see why she's a bit of a pariah with some, and she doesn't seem to be seeking any help now so it's hard to have much sympathy. Pretty much that's the reason I had to distance myself from her because it was horrible to see her deteriorating and not wanting help. She oozed charisma and was pretty great at what she did on Livewire and general backstage stuff. Definitely a shame all around. She was good on commentary too in her short stints there, and as a ring announcer. She knew wrestling and was a fan, it helped and it showed.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 19, 2018 4:00:04 GMT -5
It probably didn't help that she and Paul Bearer loathed one another, and he was obviously a pretty well-liked guy. I don't know what the genesis of that was, but they weren't fans of each other one bit.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 19, 2018 4:21:27 GMT -5
Some people are just abrasive, Sunny was/is one of them.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 19, 2018 4:32:20 GMT -5
I used to be casual friends with Tammy, and can basically say without going too personal that basically she's two different people. There's sweet Tammy who has been battered around by life, is caring, happy, fun but guarded and defensive. And there's Tammy who as a result of the same battering and defensiveness makes bad decisions, self destructs and lashes out at everyone. It's horrible to see your friend like that because that's when she falls into addiction and lashes out. It's easy to forget a) just how talented she was but also b) just how young she was. A combination of personal issues, too much fame too soon and people who could exploit that rather than guide or help that messed her up further. That's not to say she's blameless, her abrasive side is deeply unpleasant and can make her a nightmare so I can see why she's a bit of a pariah with some, and she doesn't seem to be seeking any help now so it's hard to have much sympathy. Pretty much that's the reason I had to distance myself from her because it was horrible to see her deteriorating and not wanting help. The issue I think that made her unlikable is that as young as she was all of that fame went to her head and she had this attitude that she was above anyone else and takes credit for basically anything with Womans success in wrestling when the term Diva or really woman's wrestling wasn't happening when she was there. When she first debuted in the WWE in 95 a couple months when was the last time we saw the woman's title on TV, and she was really gone by the the time the division was brought back in late 98. The cheating on Chris Candido who was a likable guy rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and because she was hanging with the Kliq Chris was treated like shit from what several said in shoots about that situation.
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Post by TGM on Feb 19, 2018 5:31:54 GMT -5
It was resentment for the way she cheated on Candido (which REALLY isn't fair considering he pimped her out for cocaine in at least one occassion). What's the story on this? The story I heard years ago is Candido pimped her out to Ahmed Johnson for coke but after receiving the drugs, she went off with Shawn Michaels and did them all. I was going to paste the story exactly from another forum but the tone and language are disgusting.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 19, 2018 5:45:23 GMT -5
It was resentment for the way she cheated on Candido (which REALLY isn't fair considering he pimped her out for cocaine in at least one occassion). What's the story on this? he talked her into having sex with Ahmed Johnson in exchange for cocaine, and then she went and did the coke with Shawn instead. so Candido quit the company.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 5:51:41 GMT -5
Raven said he stayed over with Chris and Tammy one, and that Tammy slipped through to his room and they banged. Raven swore he saw someone watching forom the window, and believes Chris was into it.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Feb 19, 2018 6:27:05 GMT -5
I’ve heard a lot of Sunny stories. A lot. I won’t repeat the majority of them here because I can’t give a source for most of them. She wasn’t just a “Kliq chick” as she put it. She brags about sleeping with Davey Boy Smith in the WWF during her KC shoot. Apparently she was hooking up with Brian Pillman according to the new Pillman book. Tracy Smothers talked about her cheating on Candido with Rex King on his School of Smothers podcast. I’ve heard many more examples.
The wrestlers would call women like that rats back then and still do privately, even though it’s not an acceptable term these days. It’s a label that isn’t respected. It’s the main reason Paul Bearer and a lot of other people couldn’t stand her. Add her attitude to the mix and I could easily see the locker room feeling like she thought she was hot shit because she was sleeping with so many of the wrestlers. Wrestlers are notoriously easy to offend and they talk. No matter how sneaky she thought she was being the locker room knew what was up. I’m not judging her but I know a lot of her coworkers did which got her a massive amount of heat with them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 10:06:50 GMT -5
Actually sounds like Candido got more heat than Sunny for this, because people knew what she was doing and when the boys told him, he would just ignore them. I think Sunny gets more heat for the breakdown since Chris's death I seem to recall some real animosity form against her right after his death. The details are hazy these years later, but I think members of Chris' family started to clash with her in public statements shortly thereafter - either they saw Sunny doing something after his death that they hated (profiting somehow with indy gigs?), or they just finally couldn't hold back their problems with their relationship anymore. Either way, I don't think Sunny ever really recovered from that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 10:54:31 GMT -5
Actually sounds like Candido got more heat than Sunny for this, because people knew what she was doing and when the boys told him, he would just ignore them. I think Sunny gets more heat for the breakdown since Chris's death I seem to recall some real animosity form against her right after his death. The details are hazy these years later, but I think members of Chris' family started to clash with her in public statements shortly thereafter - either they saw Sunny doing something after his death that they hated (profiting somehow with indy gigs?), or they just finally couldn't hold back their problems with their relationship anymore. Either way, I don't think Sunny ever really recovered from that. There was a period leading up to and in the immediate aftermath of her HoF induction and her Wrestlemania appearance that she was doing great for the most part, but for some less than ideal personal circumstances. Then something slipped and she's not got back on that even keel since.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 19, 2018 10:56:02 GMT -5
It seems for a time that any woman who got over, especially one that wasn't really a wrestler, was able to garner all kinds of heat.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 19, 2018 12:08:57 GMT -5
It probably didn't help that she and Paul Bearer loathed one another, and he was obviously a pretty well-liked guy. I don't know what the genesis of that was, but they weren't fans of each other one bit. Paul loved Candido and it incensed him that Sunny openly cheated on him and that he didn't do anything about it. Regarding why Tammy is despised, in my opinion Stevie Richards explained it the best, that Tammy even while sober is a truely despicable person, it's just who she is.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 19, 2018 12:12:48 GMT -5
What's the story on this? The story I heard years ago is Candido pimped her out to Ahmed Johnson for coke but after receiving the drugs, she went off with Shawn Michaels and did them all. I was going to paste the story exactly from another forum but the tone and language are disgusting. Was that story ever confirmed? I thought that was just in the most outrageous rumors list. Because Sunny has confirmed cheating on Chris with Bart Gunn, Davey Boy, Shawn, Hack Myers, and Raven amongst others. Nobody, not even Sunny, as far as I know, claimed that Candido told her to sleep with Ahmed for cocaine.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 19, 2018 12:17:29 GMT -5
Well, I've read her Twitter twice. The first time was a racist rant against "them" people cumulating in asking for a second holocaust, the second time was calling the current women butterfaces.
I can see why people that had to spend a lot more time with her hated her.
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 19, 2018 15:07:17 GMT -5
The story I heard years ago is Candido pimped her out to Ahmed Johnson for coke but after receiving the drugs, she went off with Shawn Michaels and did them all. I was going to paste the story exactly from another forum but the tone and language are disgusting. Was that story ever confirmed? I thought that was just in the most outrageous rumors list. Because Sunny has confirmed cheating on Chris with Bart Gunn, Davey Boy, Shawn, Hack Myers, and Raven amongst others. Nobody, not even Sunny, as far as I know, claimed that Candido told her to sleep with Ahmed for cocaine. the version i heard was that ahmed had coke, candido told sunny to go get some. she went up to get it but ahmed said he wouldn't give her any unless she slept with him so she did (or was asking for too much money and for her to sleep with him to make up the difference- i forget). then she ran into HBK on the way back and had sex with him while doing the coke themselves before getting back to candido empty handed
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 19, 2018 16:15:47 GMT -5
Was that story ever confirmed? I thought that was just in the most outrageous rumors list. Because Sunny has confirmed cheating on Chris with Bart Gunn, Davey Boy, Shawn, Hack Myers, and Raven amongst others. Nobody, not even Sunny, as far as I know, claimed that Candido told her to sleep with Ahmed for cocaine. the version i heard was that ahmed had coke, candido told sunny to go get some. she went up to get it but ahmed said he wouldn't give her any unless she slept with him so she did (or was asking for too much money and for her to sleep with him to make up the difference- i forget). then she ran into HBK on the way back and had sex with him while doing the coke themselves before getting back to candido empty handed Damn, is it weird to say I feel bad for a coke head in this instance? That is cold.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 19, 2018 16:16:34 GMT -5
Most of the roster loved Sunny, or at least parts of her.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Feb 19, 2018 17:01:19 GMT -5
She was nice to me when I met her in prison... Then again she had to be since I work there.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 19, 2018 17:26:38 GMT -5
What's the story on this? he talked her into having sex with Ahmed Johnson in exchange for cocaine, and then she went and did the coke with Shawn instead. so Candido quit the company. Apparently Candido was told he can’t quit without written notice, so he took his hotel bill, flipped it over and wrote, “I quit.” And signed his name.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 19, 2018 17:27:00 GMT -5
It probably didn't help that she and Paul Bearer loathed one another, and he was obviously a pretty well-liked guy. I don't know what the genesis of that was, but they weren't fans of each other one bit. Paul loved Candido and it incensed him that Sunny openly cheated on him and that he didn't do anything about it. Regarding why Tammy is despised, in my opinion Stevie Richards explained it the best, that Tammy even while sober is a truely despicable person, it's just who she is. When even people like Paul Bearer and Stevie Richards, both of whom were/are usually held as being among the nicer people in wrestling, can't stand you, you're the problem. It's shame considering how talented Tammy was, too.
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