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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 12, 2018 5:14:04 GMT -5
In many, MANY respects, TNA basically IS WCW on it's worst day... At least TNA doesn’t have all the crazy contracts that WCW were still paying ie Hogan/Nash/Goldberg and Hall etc. Though admittedly Hogan sucked TNA dry as much as he could too that's another thing to consider. if Eric pulled it off he would have immediately lost all his main eventers because they were all signed to those ridiculous guaranteed Warner deals that AOL/Time Warner were still on the hook for even after they got rid of WCW.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 12, 2018 6:26:17 GMT -5
At least TNA doesn’t have all the crazy contracts that WCW were still paying ie Hogan/Nash/Goldberg and Hall etc. Though admittedly Hogan sucked TNA dry as much as he could too that's another thing to consider. if Eric pulled it off he would have immediately lost all his main eventers because they were all signed to those ridiculous guaranteed Warner deals that AOL/Time Warner were still on the hook for even after they got rid of WCW. That is one irony in the question of WCW surviving; they had the potential for a fresh main event situation with Booker T as champion and with possible challengers like Lance Storm and Mike Awesome, while by contrast WWE soon after experienced a major talent drain that forced them to resort to Katie Vick and the gay marriage skit.
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Post by cjh on Mar 12, 2018 6:35:21 GMT -5
In many, MANY respects, TNA basically IS WCW on it's worst day... At least TNA doesn’t have all the crazy contracts that WCW were still paying ie Hogan/Nash/Goldberg and Hall etc. Though admittedly Hogan sucked TNA dry as much as he could too Hall was fired in 2000, and Hogan seemingly got out of his contract early because he wrestled a match for the XWF in November 2001. Hogan, contrary to the rumors, was signed specifically with WCW (not Time Warner) according to his 1998 contract that leaked online, so Goldberg and Nash likely were, too. I'm not sure what Goldberg was making, but Nash likely made over $2,000,000 in 2001.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Mar 12, 2018 7:05:31 GMT -5
In many, MANY respects, TNA basically IS WCW on it's worst day... At least TNA doesn’t have all the crazy contracts that WCW were still paying ie Hogan/Nash/Goldberg and Hall etc. Though admittedly Hogan sucked TNA dry as much as he could too You're right, that is one huge difference between WCW and TNA. WCW paid out huge money to a lot of people who probably didn't deserve it. TNA just doesn't pay anybody.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 8:35:53 GMT -5
the dot com bubble was bursting then. Credit was getting harder to come by
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 12, 2018 8:57:44 GMT -5
In many, MANY respects, TNA basically IS WCW on it's worst day... At least TNA doesn’t have all the crazy contracts that WCW were still paying ie Hogan/Nash/Goldberg and Hall etc. Though admittedly Hogan sucked TNA dry as much as he could too Hogan's 1998 contract is genuinely the least value for money I've ever seen. Any smart owner would have just told him to retire gracefully. Even giving him his original 2 mill a year plus merch to show up and manage, commentate or be an authority figure or something would have been less of a money pit.
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Post by mauled on Mar 12, 2018 10:05:48 GMT -5
At least TNA doesn’t have all the crazy contracts that WCW were still paying ie Hogan/Nash/Goldberg and Hall etc. Though admittedly Hogan sucked TNA dry as much as he could too Hogan's 1998 contract is genuinely the least value for money I've ever seen. Any smart owner would have just told him to retire gracefully. Even giving him his original 2 mill a year plus merch to show up and manage, commentate or be an authority figure or something would have been less of a money pit. “Any smart owner” That’s where Bishoff fell down - He thought the sun shone from Hogans Arse - still does
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Post by evilone on Mar 12, 2018 11:35:02 GMT -5
There is no way in hell WCW couldn't find a TV spot. WCW sale was not much about finding the broadcast partner as much as it was few interest groups within WCW vulturing it for their own benefits. Eric's group was one of few that wanted WCW, they were not their ultimate savior. You really believe Vince showed up randomly to buy the WCW scraps because he was feeling pity for it? No. Vince was in it from the beginning and in total chaos after they got canceled Vince has greased up more than few people to play his part.
You can't convince me that none of the key people in WCW didn't know the value of TV library especially in the long run, of course they knew. Those people made money of merchandise and their name lease so they were aware of the fact. Kevin Nash could have bought it cash, many others could have bought it but none of them wanted to have Vince as their enemy. They would rather have his money and many of them were promised their career will continue under WWE umbrella.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Mar 12, 2018 11:58:23 GMT -5
WCW could have lasted if they went to TNA's model, but once it was cancelled, the whole thing collapsed. I feel like TNA is a spiritual successor. Unfortunately, the same minds that hurt WCW went to TNA too.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 12, 2018 14:44:41 GMT -5
There is no way in hell WCW couldn't find a TV spot. WCW sale was not much about finding the broadcast partner as much as it was few interest groups within WCW vulturing it for their own benefits. Eric's group was one of few that wanted WCW, they were not their ultimate savior. You really believe Vince showed up randomly to buy the WCW scraps because he was feeling pity for it? No. Vince was in it from the beginning and in total chaos after they got canceled Vince has greased up more than few people to play his part. You can't convince me that none of the key people in WCW didn't know the value of TV library especially in the long run, of course they knew. Those people made money of merchandise and their name lease so they were aware of the fact. Kevin Nash could have bought it cash, many others could have bought it but none of them wanted to have Vince as their enemy. They would rather have his money and many of them were promised their career will continue under WWE umbrella. Kevin Nash running his own wrestling company sounds like a bad TGIF sitcom.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 12, 2018 17:12:17 GMT -5
It is kind of incredible though that TNA keeps finding networks and WCW couldn't find one. WCW on its worst day was still way better than 99% of TNA. Not only was wrestling looked at in a different light with how raunchy things were booked, but TV was completely different back in 2001 from now. FX then was not what FX now is, and Bischoff wanted a slot on Fox or nothing from them (If I remember correctly). Now there are so many TV channels that are in cable packages that even if it's not a "Big" network a company can still make decent money from a tv deal. We're not just talking TNA channels like Pop and Destination America. Remember, TNA almost went to Velocity, which was/is a car channel. As for WCW, the other thing to remember is Fusient just got sick of negotiating with Kellner. They had 2 or 3 deals lined up, and Fusient was even willing to buy everything even without a TV deal lined up, but Kellner kept adjusting the deal so Fusient just backed out.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 12, 2018 18:04:00 GMT -5
There is no way in hell WCW couldn't find a TV spot. WCW sale was not much about finding the broadcast partner as much as it was few interest groups within WCW vulturing it for their own benefits. Eric's group was one of few that wanted WCW, they were not their ultimate savior. You really believe Vince showed up randomly to buy the WCW scraps because he was feeling pity for it? No. Vince was in it from the beginning and in total chaos after they got canceled Vince has greased up more than few people to play his part. You can't convince me that none of the key people in WCW didn't know the value of TV library especially in the long run, of course they knew. Those people made money of merchandise and their name lease so they were aware of the fact. Kevin Nash could have bought it cash, many others could have bought it but none of them wanted to have Vince as their enemy. They would rather have his money and many of them were promised their career will continue under WWE umbrella. Every one knew the value but it went along with company. Jericho said for the price WCW sold for, he’d have bought it. There’s also, just rumor as far as I know, one of Vince’s lawsuit victories gave him the right to match any offer on WCW. Probably not true.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 12, 2018 20:18:53 GMT -5
It is kind of incredible though that TNA keeps finding networks and WCW couldn't find one. WCW on its worst day was still way better than 99% of TNA. Not only was wrestling looked at in a different light with how raunchy things were booked, but TV was completely different back in 2001 from now. FX then was not what FX now is, and Bischoff wanted a slot on Fox or nothing from them (If I remember correctly). Now there are so many TV channels that are in cable packages that even if it's not a "Big" network a company can still make decent money from a tv deal. We're not just talking TNA channels like Pop and Destination America. Remember, TNA almost went to Velocity, which was/is a car channel. As for WCW, the other thing to remember is Fusient just got sick of negotiating with Kellner. They had 2 or 3 deals lined up, and Fusient was even willing to buy everything even without a TV deal lined up, but Kellner kept adjusting the deal so Fusient just backed out. I wonder if Brian Bedol was the one negotiating? I'd love to know more about what kind of Kellner terms kept being changed, and what was it that Fusient finally got sick of? Did Kellner want Bischoff and WCW to fail and die? Who was involved, what did they pass up? People love talking about the loss of money, ratings, fingerpoke of doom, but I guarantee a huge part of the end of WCW happened because of people behind the scenes killing it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 12, 2018 21:58:22 GMT -5
Not only was wrestling looked at in a different light with how raunchy things were booked, but TV was completely different back in 2001 from now. FX then was not what FX now is, and Bischoff wanted a slot on Fox or nothing from them (If I remember correctly). Now there are so many TV channels that are in cable packages that even if it's not a "Big" network a company can still make decent money from a tv deal. We're not just talking TNA channels like Pop and Destination America. Remember, TNA almost went to Velocity, which was/is a car channel. As for WCW, the other thing to remember is Fusient just got sick of negotiating with Kellner. They had 2 or 3 deals lined up, and Fusient was even willing to buy everything even without a TV deal lined up, but Kellner kept adjusting the deal so Fusient just backed out. I wonder if Brian Bedol was the one negotiating? I'd love to know more about what kind of Kellner terms kept being changed, and what was it that Fusient finally got sick of? Did Kellner want Bischoff and WCW to fail and die? Who was involved, what did they pass up? People love talking about the loss of money, ratings, fingerpoke of doom, but I guarantee a huge part of the end of WCW happened because of people behind the scenes killing it. He wanted nothing to do with WCW. From what I remember and everything I've read. The original terms that had been agreed to were that Fusient would take on all WCW's debt and take the contracts off Turner's hands but would keep the TV slot. Then Kellner took the TV away and Fusient was pissed as they didn't feel it was worth the money. Bischoff convinced them to go through with the deal but at that point Kellner was dragging his feet (Rumor being Kellner had a deal with McMahon that would ensure Time Warner/AOL wouldn't have to deal with WCW again) so Fusient just said no more... What makes it even funnier is that Bischoff got other backers after Fusient said no but then Kellner said he was selling to Vince
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