New Gods Movie (Shelved)

[Savage Gambino]

Mar 16, 2018 11:35:21 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

They haven't even done half their main stable of heroes correctly yet and they're going to do New Gods.

Okay DC.

Warner Bros wants their Guardians of the Galaxy when they don't even have their Iron Man yet. If they have ONE core problem, one problem that all of their other flaws and failings can be traced back to, it's that their whole business model seems to be putting the cart before the horse.

That said, I'm a fan of Ava DuVernay, and I hope she does a good job. Of course, if this movie goes right into developmental hell with the rest, I won't be surprised.

[EyeofTyr]

On the one hand, the idea of a well done variant of the New Gods in a cinematic universe has endless possibilities. Even just the style of movie, the genre (or sub-genre) could be staggering if put into the hands of a creative mind with a clear vision and goal.

On the other hand, it's Warner Bros & DC.

Also on the other hand, based on what I've read of the movie and just what I could see with my eyes from the trailers this person didn't seem to understand a lot of core ideas about the book they adapted & heavily changed not only the story but general character designs too. To the point where it'd be like if somebody made Darkseid a jolly little fat man and then made the story solely about Highfather stopping Darkseid without delving into the meat of either of them to give some context to the level of changes we're talking here. Based on the cast, I have no doubt some strong performances were put into A Wrinkle and that they made it work but...

Much like with it, I'm not sure I'd want to see some original idea loosely pretending to be the New Gods.

[A Platypus Rave]

Mar 16, 2018 14:22:06 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

coming off directing a mess of a movie gets handed a DC project.

So she should fit in perfectly with WB/DC.

[Renslayer]

Ava's rock solid and she'll do a great job with this assuming DC doesn't DC it up. Also she's a Big Barda stan so I'm looking forward to seeing how she's portrayed on the big screen

[Dat Dude]

She’s one of favorite directors so this is good news to me.

[Savage Gambino]

UPDATE:

Ava DuVernay’s big-screen version of DC’s New Gods is years away from release, but the writer-director teased the project — and offered small updates — Tuesday afternoon during a Twitter Q&A.

In response to fans’ questions, DuVernay confirmed that both Darkseid and the Female Furies will appear in the movie. The former is no surprise, as Darkseid is the main antagonist of the Jack Kirby-created comic book mythology DuVernay and co-writer Tom King will be drawing from. The latter, DuVernay suggested, is the result of her fandom of the character Big Barda, the leader of the all-woman fighting force. “I’m looking forward to [the Furies] so much,” she said.

While DuVernay wouldn’t be drawn into discussing any potential casting choices — “Keeping my mind open,” she explained — she has previously teased that “there is a 99.9% chance” that an actor from her Netflix series When They See Us will appear in the movie, as she has a tradition of bringing actors from her previous project to each new movie.

DuVernay also revealed that King’s involvement with the project came as the result of her being “a big fan of his” in response to a question about King’s award-winning Mister Miracle comic book miniseries. (That character is part of the larger New Gods mythology, and the series offers a glimpse at a potential conclusion to the long-running war that forms the spine of the property.)

Earlier this week, DuVernay tweeted a photo of herself and King, writing, “For any of you who don’t already know… [King] is a genius.” The two are collaborating on the screenplay for the project, which is “in progress,” DuVernay confirmed.

DuVernay’s New Gods was announced in March 2018. No release date for the feature has been given.

Source: www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ava-duvernay-updates-new-gods-progress-1228290

[Jiren]

Jul 31, 2019 20:09:15 GMT -5 Savage Gambino said:

UPDATE:

Ava DuVernay’s big-screen version of DC’s New Gods is years away from release, but the writer-director teased the project — and offered small updates — Tuesday afternoon during a Twitter Q&A.

In response to fans’ questions, DuVernay confirmed that both Darkseid and the Female Furies will appear in the movie. The former is no surprise, as Darkseid is the main antagonist of the Jack Kirby-created comic book mythology DuVernay and co-writer Tom King will be drawing from. The latter, DuVernay suggested, is the result of her fandom of the character Big Barda, the leader of the all-woman fighting force. “I’m looking forward to [the Furies] so much,” she said.

While DuVernay wouldn’t be drawn into discussing any potential casting choices — “Keeping my mind open,” she explained — she has previously teased that “there is a 99.9% chance” that an actor from her Netflix series When They See Us will appear in the movie, as she has a tradition of bringing actors from her previous project to each new movie.

DuVernay also revealed that King’s involvement with the project came as the result of her being “a big fan of his” in response to a question about King’s award-winning Mister Miracle comic book miniseries. (That character is part of the larger New Gods mythology, and the series offers a glimpse at a potential conclusion to the long-running war that forms the spine of the property.)

Earlier this week, DuVernay tweeted a photo of herself and King, writing, “For any of you who don’t already know… [King] is a genius.” The two are collaborating on the screenplay for the project, which is “in progress,” DuVernay confirmed.

DuVernay’s New Gods was announced in March 2018. No release date for the feature has been given.

Source: www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ava-duvernay-updates-new-gods-progress-1228290

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I'm more interested in WB doing these hands off movies where the director is allowed to really go all in on what they want. Even if the films don't appeal to me, it does set them apart from the "WE NEED OUR OWN AVENGERS MONEY RIGHT NOW!" approach that killed any chance of Justice League being good.

[Welfare Willis]

Mar 16, 2018 11:35:21 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

They haven't even done half their main stable of heroes correctly yet and they're going to do New Gods.

Okay DC.

Marvel is doing Eternals so it's time to copy Marvel again.

["Cane Dewey" Johnson]

Jul 31, 2019 22:56:50 GMT -5 Welfare Willis said:

Mar 16, 2018 11:35:21 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

They haven't even done half their main stable of heroes correctly yet and they're going to do New Gods.

Okay DC.

Marvel is doing Eternals so it's time to copy Marvel again.

DC announced DuVernay on the New Gods project March of last year, which was kind of a no-brainer after Steppenwolf, a New God, appeared in Justice League (and the big omega symbol seen in BvS). They had to be coming eventually. Rumours started to take off about Marvel Studios' Eternals around April of last year. I don't recall much desire before then for an Eternals movie of all things.

I don't know if it's as much of a copying situation as you think it is?

[schma]

WB execs have been the main problem in the past (though DC execs are not without blame). They simply don't believe that the characters other than Batman and Superman are marketable characters. The flop of Green Lantern just added fuel to that fire. Marvel's success forced their hand and now they're playing catch up in the most backwards way imaginable because the people in charge at WB still don't really believe in the properties or understand them (you don't make Flash's first film Flashpoint) but they want more money. When they step back you get good stuff.

[Savage Gambino]

Jul 31, 2019 23:38:33 GMT -5 "Cane Dewey" Johnson said:

Jul 31, 2019 22:56:50 GMT -5 Welfare Willis said:

Marvel is doing Eternals so it's time to copy Marvel again.

DC announced DuVernay on the New Gods project March of last year, which was kind of a no-brainer after Steppenwolf, a New God, appeared in Justice League (and the big omega symbol seen in BvS). They had to be coming eventually. Rumours started to take off about Marvel Studios' Eternals around April of last year. I don't recall much desire before then for an Eternals movie of all things.

I don't know if it's as much of a copying situation as you think it is?

The unfortunate thing for Warner Bros is, that's more or less how John Q moviegoer is going to look at it, though. It's the same thing that happened with Darkseid and Thanos; it was DC's idea first, but because Marvel beat them to the punch (on film), now DC runs the risk of looking like the imitators. Despite the fact that DC/WB started laying the grounds for the New Gods years ago, long before Marvel even thought about doing The Eternals, the only thing the average moviegoer is going to remember is who got theirs to theater first.

[HMARK Center]

I feel like DC would be better served just allowing all these properties to exist on their own, to allow for some of the more unique spins on certain characters (e.g. how the new Joker movie is looking), and then just finding the right now at some point to do a crossover, not aiming for it from the get-go. There's a whole lot of different things they can do with New Gods, alone, so go to town exploring that for awhile before thinking about any crossovers.

And heck, avoid people thinking Darkseid is too much like Thanos by using him differently; go ahead and make him more of a presence, not as clouded or hinted at the way Thanos was.

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Don't get me wrong, Tom King is a solid writer, but a genius? That's stretching things a LOT.

[Cyno]

Aug 1, 2019 13:32:01 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

I feel like DC would be better served just allowing all these properties to exist on their own, to allow for some of the more unique spins on certain characters (e.g. how the new Joker movie is looking), and then just finding the right now at some point to do a crossover, not aiming for it from the get-go. There's a whole lot of different things they can do with New Gods, alone, so go to town exploring that for awhile before thinking about any crossovers.

And heck, avoid people thinking Darkseid is too much like Thanos by using him differently; go ahead and make him more of a presence, not as clouded or hinted at the way Thanos was.

One way they could do that is to have him display his superior intelligence. Thanos was thoughtful and intelligent in his own right, but they never really showed him as a master manipulator. That's one of Darkseid's specialties.

Another major difference between MCU Thanos and Darkseid is that while Thanos wanted to kill half of all life in the universe in a misguided attempt to restore balance to existence, Darkseid wants conquest. His purpose to finding the Anti-Life Equation is so he can control universal free will and also destroy his hated enemies on New Genesis.

I know Darkseid basically started as a ripoff of Thanos, but there's a lot of opportunity to differentiate the characters in their movies. The comparisons will be inevitable either way, but I think they can make Darkseid more subtle and manipulative in his efforts than Thanos, it'd help make him more distinct.

[Jiren]

Aug 1, 2019 13:45:07 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Don't get me wrong, Tom King is a solid writer, but a genius? That's stretching things a LOT.

It's reed Richards levels of stretching

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Aug 1, 2019 14:55:33 GMT -5 Jiren said:

Aug 1, 2019 13:45:07 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Don't get me wrong, Tom King is a solid writer, but a genius? That's stretching things a LOT.

It's reed Richards levels of stretching

I totally agree, but since this is DC it's more like Plastic Man or Elongated Man levels of stretching.

["Cane Dewey" Johnson]

Aug 1, 2019 13:51:36 GMT -5 Cyno said:

Aug 1, 2019 13:32:01 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

I feel like DC would be better served just allowing all these properties to exist on their own, to allow for some of the more unique spins on certain characters (e.g. how the new Joker movie is looking), and then just finding the right now at some point to do a crossover, not aiming for it from the get-go. There's a whole lot of different things they can do with New Gods, alone, so go to town exploring that for awhile before thinking about any crossovers.

And heck, avoid people thinking Darkseid is too much like Thanos by using him differently; go ahead and make him more of a presence, not as clouded or hinted at the way Thanos was.

One way they could do that is to have him display his superior intelligence. Thanos was thoughtful and intelligent in his own right, but they never really showed him as a master manipulator. That's one of Darkseid's specialties.

Another major difference between MCU Thanos and Darkseid is that while Thanos wanted to kill half of all life in the universe in a misguided attempt to restore balance to existence, Darkseid wants conquest. His purpose to finding the Anti-Life Equation is so he can control universal free will and also destroy his hated enemies on New Genesis.

I know Darkseid basically started as a ripoff of Thanos, but there's a lot of opportunity to differentiate the characters in their movies. The comparisons will be inevitable either way, but I think they can make Darkseid more subtle and manipulative in his efforts than Thanos, it'd help make him more distinct.

Darkseid appeared three years before Thanos did.

Kevin Feige's choice not to have movie Thanos be in love with the personification of death led to the character becoming Darkseid-light--going around planet to planet and balancing the abundance of life with half-death, like his mission were some sort of equation, an anti-life equation, if you will. DC could always make Darkseid into the comics version of Thanos that audiences never got to see onscreen.

[Cyno]

Aug 1, 2019 17:29:45 GMT -5 "Cane Dewey" Johnson said:

Aug 1, 2019 13:51:36 GMT -5 Cyno said:

One way they could do that is to have him display his superior intelligence. Thanos was thoughtful and intelligent in his own right, but they never really showed him as a master manipulator. That's one of Darkseid's specialties.

Another major difference between MCU Thanos and Darkseid is that while Thanos wanted to kill half of all life in the universe in a misguided attempt to restore balance to existence, Darkseid wants conquest. His purpose to finding the Anti-Life Equation is so he can control universal free will and also destroy his hated enemies on New Genesis.

I know Darkseid basically started as a ripoff of Thanos, but there's a lot of opportunity to differentiate the characters in their movies. The comparisons will be inevitable either way, but I think they can make Darkseid more subtle and manipulative in his efforts than Thanos, it'd help make him more distinct.

Darkseid appeared three years before Thanos did.

Kevin Feige's choice not to have movie Thanos be in love with the personification of death led to the character becoming Darkseid-light--going around planet to planet and balancing the abundance of life with half-death, like his mission were some sort of equation, an anti-life equation, if you will. DC could always make Darkseid into the comics version of Thanos that audiences never got to see onscreen.

Oh, I got my timelines mixed up and thought Thanos was the original and not vice versa. Whoops.

And if this idea somehow gets us Neil Gaiman's Death into the movie, I'm all for it.

[Natural Born Farmer]

Aug 1, 2019 17:29:45 GMT -5 "Cane Dewey" Johnson said:

Aug 1, 2019 13:51:36 GMT -5 Cyno said:

One way they could do that is to have him display his superior intelligence. Thanos was thoughtful and intelligent in his own right, but they never really showed him as a master manipulator. That's one of Darkseid's specialties.

Another major difference between MCU Thanos and Darkseid is that while Thanos wanted to kill half of all life in the universe in a misguided attempt to restore balance to existence, Darkseid wants conquest. His purpose to finding the Anti-Life Equation is so he can control universal free will and also destroy his hated enemies on New Genesis.

I know Darkseid basically started as a ripoff of Thanos, but there's a lot of opportunity to differentiate the characters in their movies. The comparisons will be inevitable either way, but I think they can make Darkseid more subtle and manipulative in his efforts than Thanos, it'd help make him more distinct.

Darkseid appeared three years before Thanos did.

Kevin Feige's choice not to have movie Thanos be in love with the personification of death led to the character becoming Darkseid-light--going around planet to planet and balancing the abundance of life with half-death, like his mission were some sort of equation, an anti-life equation, if you will. DC could always make Darkseid into the comics version of Thanos that audiences never got to see onscreen.

I liked when they faced off in Marvel vs. DC and Darkseid called Thanos “a pale imitation of me”.