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Post by eJm on Apr 1, 2021 18:54:25 GMT -5
Far be it from me to say this but even if it's not anything to do with it, it's sort of a bad look when you're cancelling two big comic book movies being made by two diverse directors.
Like, some of it probably factors in with the AT&T merger (because a lot factors into that) and some of it factors in with having to spend $70m on a glorified re-edit but still...not great.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 1, 2021 18:58:17 GMT -5
I can't really claim I'm shocked. If anything I'm surprised DC hasn't formally cancelled more of the 800 movies they announced at once a few years ago only to have zero update on them since. I'm pretty sure DC pretty much looked at all of their characters short of like Detective Chimp and declared they were all getting movies >_> but then like everything but what ... 3 went dark?
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Post by Cyno on Apr 1, 2021 19:01:27 GMT -5
This really sucks. Ava Duvernay and Tom King would've been a hell of a moviemaking combo and I really wanted to see their take on Kirby's mythos, but WB can't get out of its own way.
Only upside about this is that the movie isn't being outright cancelled, and if they decide to start work on it again it will be Ava's and Tom's to work on again.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Apr 1, 2021 22:44:30 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Apr 2, 2021 2:42:04 GMT -5
I honestly think we dodged a bullet. Tom King's DC work is....not particularly great, and fans haven't forgiven him for Heroes In Crisis or the Bat/Cat wedding debacle.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 2, 2021 5:03:17 GMT -5
Bleh. I was legit looking forward to that. Yeah, I know A Wrinkle In Time was pretty lousy (and it wasn’t all bad, I liked the performance from the lead actress), but this could have still been fascinating.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 2, 2021 5:13:16 GMT -5
I can't really claim I'm shocked. If anything I'm surprised DC hasn't formally cancelled more of the 800 movies they announced at once a few years ago only to have zero update on them since. I don't really at all understand the appeal of the New Gods anyway. ... If I'm being honest that kind of goes for most of Kirby's stuff. The biggest selling point for the New Gods is Darkseid, and it wouldn't surprise me if him being in the Snyder Cut was the final death knell for this movie.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2021 11:45:39 GMT -5
I'd rather see him at his day job...
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Post by DSR on Apr 2, 2021 11:57:06 GMT -5
I'd rather see him at his day job... Source?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2021 12:02:25 GMT -5
I'd rather see him at his day job... Source? Ambush Bug #2 from 1985. It's basically as Canon as Thanos arrested by the NYPD
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 2, 2021 12:55:36 GMT -5
I'd rather see him at his day job... Source? Wall
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Post by Cyno on Apr 2, 2021 14:51:53 GMT -5
I can't really claim I'm shocked. If anything I'm surprised DC hasn't formally cancelled more of the 800 movies they announced at once a few years ago only to have zero update on them since. I don't really at all understand the appeal of the New Gods anyway. ... If I'm being honest that kind of goes for most of Kirby's stuff. The biggest selling point for the New Gods is Darkseid, and it wouldn't surprise me if him being in the Snyder Cut was the final death knell for this movie. To my pleasant surprise, I've seen a lot of Snyder Cult-types express disappointment about this movie being shelved. Whether it's because they really wanted to see Duvernay and King's take on the New Gods, gives them more of an axe to grind against WB, thinking it'd tie into the Snyderverse (and thus provide more impetus on WB's part to "restore" it), or some combination of the three, I can't say for sure. But at least they're not dancing on its grave.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2021 17:26:45 GMT -5
I honestly think we dodged a bullet. Tom King's DC work is....not particularly great, and fans haven't forgiven him for Heroes In Crisis or the Bat/Cat wedding debacle. I don't really blame him for Heroes in Crisis... it's a pretty bad story and should have likely been an elseworlds or Watchmen-like expy universe... but most of the blame for how the story turned out goes to the editors who were on their f*** Wally horse. Since he wrote the story without having the characters in place and they (read Didio most likely) told him to make Wally responsible.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2021 14:45:12 GMT -5
I honestly think we dodged a bullet. Tom King's DC work is....not particularly great, and fans haven't forgiven him for Heroes In Crisis or the Bat/Cat wedding debacle. I don't really blame him for Heroes in Crisis... it's a pretty bad story and should have likely been an elseworlds or Watchmen-like expy universe... but most of the blame for how the story turned out goes to the editors who were on their f*** Wally horse. Since he wrote the story without having the characters in place and they (read Didio most likely) told him to make Wally responsible. Yeah, and if fans are going to ignore his work with Mister Miracle and The Omega Men because of an editorially mandated story...well, their loss, to be frank.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 3, 2021 14:53:04 GMT -5
I don't really blame him for Heroes in Crisis... it's a pretty bad story and should have likely been an elseworlds or Watchmen-like expy universe... but most of the blame for how the story turned out goes to the editors who were on their f*** Wally horse. Since he wrote the story without having the characters in place and they (read Didio most likely) told him to make Wally responsible. Yeah, and if fans are going to ignore his work with Mister Miracle and The Omega Men because of an editorially mandated story...well, their loss, to be frank. As I said the story wasn't particularly good and it didn't really fit in the main DC universe... especially since the majority of which was written with no characters in mind. Where making them Expy's or just a regular elseworld, would have worked a lot better.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2021 14:55:43 GMT -5
Yeah, and if fans are going to ignore his work with Mister Miracle and The Omega Men because of an editorially mandated story...well, their loss, to be frank. As I said the story wasn't particularly good and it didn't really fit in the main DC universe... especially since the majority of which was written with no characters in mind. Where making them Expy's or just a regular elseworld, would have worked a lot better. Also pretty much explains why there seemed to be a queue of writers basically retconning it in the best way they can until Scott Snyder just went "Eh, everyone whose dead from that is back anyway. Oh and DiDio's not here so you can make him The Flash now, I guess?".
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Post by thechase on Apr 3, 2021 15:01:53 GMT -5
I don't really blame him for Heroes in Crisis... it's a pretty bad story and should have likely been an elseworlds or Watchmen-like expy universe... but most of the blame for how the story turned out goes to the editors who were on their f*** Wally horse. Since he wrote the story without having the characters in place and they (read Didio most likely) told him to make Wally responsible. Yeah, and if fans are going to ignore his work with Mister Miracle and The Omega Men because of an editorially mandated story...well, their loss, to be frank. Meh, Mister Miracle is overrated, it's little more than a tryhard romantic comedy about suicide and it's implied none of it's even 'real' at the end.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 3, 2021 15:01:55 GMT -5
I don't really blame him for Heroes in Crisis... it's a pretty bad story and should have likely been an elseworlds or Watchmen-like expy universe... but most of the blame for how the story turned out goes to the editors who were on their f*** Wally horse. Since he wrote the story without having the characters in place and they (read Didio most likely) told him to make Wally responsible. Yeah, and if fans are going to ignore his work with Mister Miracle and The Omega Men because of an editorially mandated story...well, their loss, to be frank. His Batman stuff was mostly good, too. Swamp Thing, too. Heroes in Crisis is really the only thing of his he wrote I thought wasn't particularly good and that's way more on Editorial than him.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2021 15:02:54 GMT -5
Yeah, and if fans are going to ignore his work with Mister Miracle and The Omega Men because of an editorially mandated story...well, their loss, to be frank. Meh, Mister Miracle is overrated, it's little more than a tryhard romantic comedy about suicide and it's implied none of it's even 'real' at the end. Taking away my distain for the word overrated (What are we rating it against? The standards are mixed from person to person), we'll just agree to disagree.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 3, 2021 15:40:41 GMT -5
Mr. Miracle was great.
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