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Post by sfvega on May 10, 2018 15:51:21 GMT -5
As someone who thinks Nash beating Goldberg was a fine call, the Fingerpoke is not a hill to die on, Eric. Everyone inside and outside the wrestling business to a person pans this. Just take the L already.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:09:55 GMT -5
Some episodes I'd like to see: -Going over the behind the scenes aspect of the free shows they ran: BATB 95, Road Wild series, Club La Vela Nitros. -The internet only shows they ran in 1998. -The Saturday Nitro house show at The Forum in Inglewood. WWF ran a show at the Anaheim Pond that night with a Bret/Taker/Austin triple threat match.
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Post by zappa on May 11, 2018 15:59:16 GMT -5
Conrad is a Ric Flair/Shawn Mark and Bischoff didn't do anything with Bret in WCW and they both dislike each other. This gonna be a 2 hour burial job. Definitely giving it a miss.
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Post by zappa on May 11, 2018 16:22:20 GMT -5
I did get a kick of Bischoff calling out Alvarez on that piece of crap of a book death of WCW.
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Post by cjh on May 11, 2018 16:27:21 GMT -5
I did get a kick of Bischoff calling out Alvarez on that piece of crap of a book death of WCW. Yeah, I thought he made a good point about how the book claimed the original idea was for Elizabeth to accuse Goldberg of rape rather than stalking. According to Bischoff, Turner Broadcasting at this point didn't even want the word "stupid" being used on air because someone might get offended.
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Post by The Trashman on May 11, 2018 16:37:40 GMT -5
I did get a kick of Bischoff calling out Alvarez on that piece of crap of a book death of WCW. Yeah, I thought he made a good point about how the book claimed the original idea was for Elizabeth to accuse Goldberg of rape rather than stalking. According to Bischoff, Turner Broadcasting at this point didn't even want the word "stupid" being used on air because someone might get offended. I find that hard to believe... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJdweDp30yk
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Post by cjh on May 11, 2018 16:49:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought he made a good point about how the book claimed the original idea was for Elizabeth to accuse Goldberg of rape rather than stalking. According to Bischoff, Turner Broadcasting at this point didn't even want the word "stupid" being used on air because someone might get offended. I find that hard to believe... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJdweDp30ykIf Steiner was told not to say something, I doubt he listened. He got suspended in 2000 for cutting a shoot promo on Ric Flair when the promo was supposed to be about something else.
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Post by brody on May 13, 2018 4:12:02 GMT -5
I had the same false memory of Goldberg getting hurt in the aftermath of Starrcade and not a year or so later.
I rolled my eyes when Bischoff said Goldberg had no challengers left when Bigelow and Hall were both being programmed with him, plus he had money to make with pretty much all of the main WCW headliners yet.
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Post by zappa on May 14, 2018 9:13:10 GMT -5
2 hour burial job expected from Bischoff but Conrad has a agenda against Bret too. Laughable some of the shade he was throwing at Bret considering he's the worlds biggest Ric Flair mark.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 14, 2018 12:49:53 GMT -5
This was as expected. A near three hour burial of Bret by Bisch. No new ground really, and it's nonstop negativity. So... yeah.
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Post by cjh on May 14, 2018 13:07:10 GMT -5
This was as expected. A near three hour burial of Bret by Bisch. No new ground really, and it's nonstop negativity. So... yeah. I disagree on the no new ground. The story for years from Meltzer and others is that Bret came close to signing with WCW in October 1996 before re-signing with WWE. On this episode, Bischoff denies this about as strongly as possible and says Bret going to WCW at that time was never a possibility.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 14, 2018 13:15:43 GMT -5
This was as expected. A near three hour burial of Bret by Bisch. No new ground really, and it's nonstop negativity. So... yeah. I disagree on the no new ground. The story for years from Meltzer and others is that Bret came close to signing with WCW in October 1996 before re-signing with WWE. On this episode, Bischoff denies this about as strongly as possible and says Bret going to WCW at that time was never a possibility. Ah ok. That whole story was new to me. If I ever did read that before about him jumping ship that early, I don't think I would have assumed it was real anyways even if I had.
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Post by cjh on May 14, 2018 13:28:35 GMT -5
I disagree on the no new ground. The story for years from Meltzer and others is that Bret came close to signing with WCW in October 1996 before re-signing with WWE. On this episode, Bischoff denies this about as strongly as possible and says Bret going to WCW at that time was never a possibility. Ah ok. That whole story was new to me. If I ever did read that before about him jumping ship that early, I don't think I would have assumed it was real anyways even if I had. Conrad seemed completely stunned. He was reading details directly from Bret's book (as well as the Observer) about WWE and WCW having a bidding war over Bret in the fall of 1996, including specific amounts of money offered. Bischoff was just like, "Nope. None of that happened. Never offered Bret any deal until 1997."
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Post by domrep on May 14, 2018 14:32:40 GMT -5
Ah ok. That whole story was new to me. If I ever did read that before about him jumping ship that early, I don't think I would have assumed it was real anyways even if I had. Conrad seemed completely stunned. He was reading details directly from Bret's book (as well as the Observer) about WWE and WCW having a bidding war over Bret in the fall of 1996, including specific amounts of money offered. Bischoff was just like, "Nope. None of that happened. Never offered Bret any deal until 1997." Its basically Bret and Meltzer vs. Bischoff in this case. Meltzer got the Montreal stuff from Bret, so maybe Bret had been close to Meltzer by '96. So Bret could be lying and fed Meltzer BS info which in turn meant Meltzer would write it in the Observer.
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Post by cjh on May 14, 2018 14:36:52 GMT -5
Conrad seemed completely stunned. He was reading details directly from Bret's book (as well as the Observer) about WWE and WCW having a bidding war over Bret in the fall of 1996, including specific amounts of money offered. Bischoff was just like, "Nope. None of that happened. Never offered Bret any deal until 1997." Its basically Bret and Meltzer vs. Bischoff in this case. Meltzer got the Montreal stuff from Bret, so maybe Bret had been close to Meltzer by '96. So Bret could be lying and fed Meltzer BS info which in turn meant Meltzer would write it in the Observer. Yeah, both Bischoff and Conrad seemed convinced that everything in the Observer about the 1996 "bidding war" came directly from Bret himself.
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Post by zappa on May 14, 2018 15:14:33 GMT -5
Bret is definitely a more trustworthy source than Bischoff. If Bret said WCW made him an offer in 96 I'd believe him. And the BS about house shows and PPV's went down everytime Bret got the belt is nonsense. Bret was a better draw than Diesel and Shawn during that period.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 18:27:08 GMT -5
Its basically Bret and Meltzer vs. Bischoff in this case. Meltzer got the Montreal stuff from Bret, so maybe Bret had been close to Meltzer by '96. So Bret could be lying and fed Meltzer BS info which in turn meant Meltzer would write it in the Observer. Yeah, both Bischoff and Conrad seemed convinced that everything in the Observer about the 1996 "bidding war" came directly from Bret himself. Bret's was pretty anti-Meltz until Montreal, when Dave's account was accurate and fair. After that Bret saw the journalist rather than the sheet writer.
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Post by corndog on May 15, 2018 9:57:27 GMT -5
I got through about an hour of it before giving up. The only time Conrad even tried to refute what Bischoff said was the contract amount, which he found online and Bischoff never really put a number out there. Bischoff seems to have a selective memory, expect when he completely remembered telling Bret just to do business. In the "Fingerpoke of Doom" show, Conrad tries to give Bischoff a hard time, but this time he is just giggling like a little girl when Bischoff buries Bret. Part of me can't blame Bischoff for burying Bret considering the harsh words Bret has said about him. But these two together are not a good combination when talking about Bret and while Conrad is family with Flair, Flair has seemingly made up with Bret so it's kind of ridiculous to carry things on.
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Post by mauled on May 15, 2018 12:59:00 GMT -5
Apparently Bret was a mid card jabroni (those very words) who never drew yet for some reason Eric still gave him a huge deal 🤷♂️
This was just an awful burial and is Eric really saying he never saw Wrestling with Shadows 😕
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Post by cjh on May 15, 2018 13:11:33 GMT -5
Apparently Bret was a mid card jabroni (those very words) who never drew yet for some reason Eric still gave him a huge deal 🤷♂️ This was just an awful burial and is Eric really saying he never saw Wrestling with Shadows 😕 His point made sense, though. He signed Bret because he needed a well-known wrestler, and Bret was the only one available. However, Bret became available because WWE decided he wasn't worth the money they were paying him, which they wouldn't have done if they were drawing huge numbers with him.
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