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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 21, 2018 1:27:13 GMT -5
Great f***ing episode 10/10
It's a deconstruction from a philosophical and psychological point of view of why Vince Russo is a shit head. It's probably one of the best Russo burials ever, you feel like you were in the meetings dealing with Russo.
Also the banter from Conrad with Eric is hilarious.
Bischoff: Dave Meltzer never ran a wrestling promotion in his life. Conrad: Another thing Meltzer never did, losing seven million dollars in a month. Bischoff: ...you got me there.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 21, 2018 1:28:43 GMT -5
Eazy E brings up a great point. He respects Dave Meltzer because he has been in wrestling for decades and as a journalist, but he hates the dirt sheets, apparently executives from Turner read the observer and made decisions that affected wcw, Bischoff calls out an executive named Jeff Carr that got his information from Meltzer. For those reasons Eric wanted to work the boys because of Carr and the observer. So again, something isn’t Bischoff’s fault. Lol he actually admits that doing that was a mistake and that he wishes he never left the arena after the Hogan and Jarrett match.
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Post by chazraps on May 21, 2018 1:29:41 GMT -5
I feel like he's basically told the same stories for almost two decades now, hard to see anything new or interesting coming from this. This, but to be fair,most people ask the sam questions all of the time. The Kayfabe Commentaries guy did a great job with him, because he picked 1994 to discuss, a year far less spoken about, so in turn Eric clearlyenjoyed it more and thought about his answers more. This is the only Bischoff shoot I've ever liked, and I really loved it. Highly recommended for everyone in this thread. The way Sean just disarms eric and gets him honest by the time Butcher shows up in main events is tremendous.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 21, 2018 1:31:52 GMT -5
Great f***ing episode 10/10 It's a deconstruction from a philosophical and psychological point of view of why Vince Russo is a shit head. It's probably one of the best Russo burials ever, you feel like you were in the meetings dealing with Russo. Also the banter from Conrad with Eric is hilarious. Bischoff: Dave Meltzer never ran a wrestling promotion in his life. Conrad: Another thing Meltzer never did, losing seven million dollars in a month. Bischoff: ...you got me there. In the Bret episode the number was 5 Million, probably made up and if Real was losses from another division of Turner dumped on WCW.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 21, 2018 1:32:03 GMT -5
Bischoff teases that he could talk about tna in the future, he told a story about Russo crying when the tna lawyers confronted him after emailing Mike Johnson when his employment was supposed to be kept a secret. The
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 21, 2018 1:33:34 GMT -5
Great f***ing episode 10/10 It's a deconstruction from a philosophical and psychological point of view of why Vince Russo is a shit head. It's probably one of the best Russo burials ever, you feel like you were in the meetings dealing with Russo. Also the banter from Conrad with Eric is hilarious. Bischoff: Dave Meltzer never ran a wrestling promotion in his life. Conrad: Another thing Meltzer never did, losing seven million dollars in a month. Bischoff: ...you got me there. In the Bret episode the number was 5 Million, probably made up and if Real was losses from another division of Turner dumped on WCW. Knowing how f***ed up wcw was, they probably lost more money haha.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 21, 2018 2:54:04 GMT -5
Great f***ing episode 10/10 It's a deconstruction from a philosophical and psychological point of view of why Vince Russo is a shit head. It's probably one of the best Russo burials ever, you feel like you were in the meetings dealing with Russo. Also the banter from Conrad with Eric is hilarious. Bischoff: Dave Meltzer never ran a wrestling promotion in his life. Conrad: Another thing Meltzer never did, losing seven million dollars in a month. Bischoff: ...you got me there. Yup. They had a good vibe this week. Bisch was still passing the buck and I take what he says with big ass grains of salt but he did admit fault at times at least. Had a good groove too. Conrad busting his balls felt less canned and they seemed to be more comfortable working together now. Relaxed yet energetic, good stuff. Hopefully next week they can build on it.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 21, 2018 3:05:47 GMT -5
They did tease the RD/Bisch stuff for the book panel. Not sure what conflict they can really play up on stage there as Bisch's big issue with the book is seemingly all the incorrect facts, which I doubt was RD's role there. RD isn't a newz inside scoop guy the way Alverez presents himself as, he was there to be the funny man in the book with all the good WrestleCrappy stuff.
Bisch did say he's bringing something to that panel as a surprise. No hint as to what though.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 21, 2018 8:33:45 GMT -5
My biggest complain with Eric is that he can't keep a budget but hearing him talk about storytelling made me appreciate his creative mind.
I also like that he explained why he dislikes the observer, it's not blind and stupid hatred like Prichard, Eazy E hates it because it influenced his superiors.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 21, 2018 8:42:59 GMT -5
I'll defend Eric Bischoff on some of the Bret Hart charges, because it's not like they knew how to book anyone outside DDP, Nash, Hogan, or Goldberg from late 97 on.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 21, 2018 10:43:57 GMT -5
I think this is the biggest diss on Russo ever because Eazy E finally laid it down why Russo isn't a writer.
Bischoff said that Russo had fundamental faults in his booking, that Russo has no f***ing idea about the three structure arc of a story, meaning beginning, middle and end.
That if you want to destroy Russo in a meeting all you have to ask him is, "Ok Vince that pitch is great but where does it takes us? Where are we going to be a week from now or three weeks from now?"
That's the ideological problem with Vince Russo as a writer and why he has failed since leaving the wwe. Crash TV doesn't work without a long term plan, McMahon was his editor, McMahon had to endure all those crazy ideas and mold them into stories that would last months.
Russo can only come up with one week of tv but he doesn't know what comes next. That's why one week vampiro is wrestling in a graveyard and the next week he's doing something different that makes no sense, or why Samoa Joe gets kidnapped by ninjas and it never get brought up again when Joe returns.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 10:54:52 GMT -5
I was in a hospital bed for 14 hours yesterday getting a couple transfusions and a infusion so I had time to kill and I tried the 1st 2 eps of this podcast and it wasn’t that bad other than Conrad I think trying to be funny with the Scott Baio stuff but it didn’t land I wish he would realize that comedy just it’s his thing.On the Bischoff front I enjoy hearing from people that look at Pro wrestling differently and what he did in wcw was amazing even though it was only for a year or 2 the guy had a lot of good ideas either his or him being smart enough to hire people with good ideas and listen to them.
I loved Keller reporting that Nash was leaving WWF for WCW so he could go back to being Vinnie Vegas and Meltzer reporting that about 50 people are gonna be the 3rd guy including Tatanka.......BUFFALO!
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Post by horsemen4ever on May 21, 2018 16:59:00 GMT -5
Well I prefered what happened over what Bichoff said was the plan, I prefer Booker T getting the title at Bash at the Beach, than having it vacent only give it to Hogan as Havoc.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 22, 2018 14:38:34 GMT -5
Oh my god, Russo claims on twitter that he's not gonna answer Eric Bischoff because it's not worth it to spend time on negativity...now he's just ranting and raving about Bischoff.
Vince Russo is a teenage drama queen.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 22, 2018 14:48:16 GMT -5
Bisch f***ing killed Russo on that episode.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 22, 2018 14:50:17 GMT -5
Russo had some success in WWE under Vince McMahon's watchful eye. He then used that success to con the folks in Atlanta, Nashville, and Orlando into thinking that he did it all himself.
If wrestling was a serious of one shot episodes with no connective tissue whatsoever, he might have been better considering he is good at getting people's attention for the short term. But, it isn't, and that's why he's as terrible a wrestling booker/writer as he is.
To be fair to Russo, I do give him credit for always having something for everyone on the roster to do. No matter how inane and absurd.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 22, 2018 14:54:20 GMT -5
Bisch f***ing killed Russo on that episode. It's worse than that. Now Russo is on twitter admitting everything that Eric said as truth. He's saying that he never wrote tv with a long term plan on mind and that's why he was successful. WCW and TNA say hi Vince. But the biggest hit Eazy E laid out on Russo? That if you criticize him, Russo has a mental breakdown.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 22, 2018 15:00:05 GMT -5
Bisch f***ing killed Russo on that episode. It's worse than that. Now Russo is on twitter admitting everything that Eric said as truth. He's saying that he never wrote tv with a long term plan on mind and that's why he was successful. WCW and TNA say hi Vince. But the biggest hit Eazy E laid out on Russo? That if you criticize him, Russo has a mental breakdown. That bothers me more than anything else. Think of all the nasty things Russo has said and done to other people. Oklahoma being the most egregious example. So, basically, he can treat you any way he wants. However, if you dare clap back at him, he'll throw a tantrum. He and Kevin Dunn seem to have that in common.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 22, 2018 15:45:34 GMT -5
It's worse than that. Now Russo is on twitter admitting everything that Eric said as truth. He's saying that he never wrote tv with a long term plan on mind and that's why he was successful. WCW and TNA say hi Vince. But the biggest hit Eazy E laid out on Russo? That if you criticize him, Russo has a mental breakdown. That bothers me more than anything else. Think of all the nasty things Russo has said and done to other people. Oklahoma being the most egregious example. So, basically, he can treat you any way he wants. However, if you dare clap back at him, he'll throw a tantrum. He and Kevin Dunn seem to have that in common. Russo is a very weak minded individual. Cody Rhodes made one tweet banning him from All In and Russo cried for weeks. He called Cornette a coward for a year, once Jim exploded and cut a promo on him, Russo took out a protection order on him.
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Post by hbkwrestlinggod on May 22, 2018 17:49:26 GMT -5
Nice podcast so far. In the past I've heard Eric Bischoff claim there was creative control from wrestlers before he was with WCW and there was nothing he could of done to change it by the time he became president. If that's the case, WCW's worst fault was no discipline from management to the talent but I'm not sure who takes blame for that, perhaps Ted Turner. Eric Bischoff did take the credit for Starrcade 1997 main event booking and I'd have to say that was the worst decision in his WCW run. Eric Bischoff was clearly in over his head at times and that's why he gave the booking control to Kevin Nash as he claimed he was so stressed out after the AOL merger. Vince Russo on the other hand I feel was a great writer as WWE's best years were 1997-1999 when Russo was writing. By the time Russo signed with WCW, they were already losing millions of dollars and the ship was already sailed. TNA run may have been a mess but it's TNA we are talking about here. Both Bischoff and Russo have a genius mind for wrestling and both men have there faults as well. Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin to this day still respect and appreciate Vince Russo which shows he had a positive impact on there careers and the attitude era the biggest boom in wrestling. Not including Vince Mcmahon, I'd say Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff were the main catalyst of the monday night wars which speaks for itself. .
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