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Post by DSR on Mar 18, 2019 22:56:27 GMT -5
From WWE Films to Marvel Studios... *Florence shows up on the set of Black Widow* Florence: "Paige here!"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 4, 2019 1:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 11:31:53 GMT -5
My interest is still pretty low until they confirm Jeremy Renner.
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Post by Rican on Apr 4, 2019 11:44:37 GMT -5
Harbour out as The Thing then...unless that's who he's playing.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 19, 2019 19:09:56 GMT -5
Filming is set to take place in Budapest.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 20, 2019 5:17:01 GMT -5
Filming is set to take place in Budapest. On the one hand, if it's really taking place there then I almost feel like they'd be trolling the hardcore fans if they didn't do it. On the other hand, while a neat idea, it also reeks of issues that plague prequels like this generally. "We have to explain and shove in EVERYTHING EVER REFERENCED". See, the Kessel Run. Sometimes it's best to leave things like that alone, because chances are you're going to disappoint somebody and even better chances are it'll never live up to anyone's expectations and imagination about what that could possibly be.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 20, 2019 8:50:14 GMT -5
I feel like Budapest is something that works far better as a mysterious reference for fans. Overly explaining everything just to satisfy the fandom is a curse for modern movies and TV.
I'd be perfectly happy if Renner appears only in the last few minutes of this movie, and we never even get to see them become friends. Just leave something to the imagination. Having said that, I was a tiny bit hopeful that they might involved the Winter Soldier in this, and expand on the couple of cryptic lines Natasha has had that imply she wasn't completely honest when she claimed to not know him. But I'm never going to get an adaptation of their comic book story, so whatever, I'll resign myself to that being non-canon for the MCU.
But honestly, I think they missed the boat on this. I don't think there's a great appetite for seeing her origins, and seeing her years as a ruthless assassin. That's not the Natasha that fans love. The best way to do it, in my view, would have been to combine flashbacks with a present day story, and tie her past into something she's dealing with currently. Can't do that now, can they?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 21, 2019 3:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 21, 2019 8:35:04 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 21, 2019 13:35:33 GMT -5
I feel like Budapest is something that works far better as a mysterious reference for fans. Overly explaining everything just to satisfy the fandom is a curse for modern movies and TV. Yeah, we didn't need to know what the Kessel Run was... it was a reference that his ship is fast... we didn't need to know the story of how Han got the Falcon... etc. it doesn't ADD anything to the movies and in fact to some degree it actually diminishes. It's not as bad as people trying to explain origins to their monsters that work better as things that just are. the other problem with prequels... there's not a hell of a lot of tension... we know she's not going to die... and whatever stakes that she may fail with are going to be minor... since if its' like if she fails the world is doomed! well... we know that world is fine... That said I thought the current rumor was this takes place post Civil War.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 21, 2019 16:19:27 GMT -5
That said I thought the current rumor was this takes place post Civil War. That appears to have started from a supposed comment made by Sebastian Stan at a con. No audio or video exists, and even the Tumblr account that first reported it says they don't know for sure because they "heard about it from a friend who was there", so it's worth taking with a huge grain of salt.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 21, 2019 16:27:55 GMT -5
That said I thought the current rumor was this takes place post Civil War. That appears to have started from a supposed comment made by Sebastian Stan at a con. No audio or video exists, and even the Tumblr account that first reported it says they don't know for sure because they "heard about it from a friend who was there", so it's worth taking with a huge grain of salt. Well I did preface it with Rumor
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 21, 2019 16:37:31 GMT -5
That appears to have started from a supposed comment made by Sebastian Stan at a con. No audio or video exists, and even the Tumblr account that first reported it says they don't know for sure because they "heard about it from a friend who was there", so it's worth taking with a huge grain of salt. Well I did preface it with Rumor It and an admission from Marcus and McFeely that they were unaware of the Black Widow movie being green lit when they wrote her death certainly hasn't stopped a particularly vocal section of t'interwebs convincing themselves that this is actually set after Endgame and that Cap brings her back to life. Not that that would even make sense. Not as if somebody at Marvel wouldn't tell the writers that they had to change that scene because there was a Black Widow movie coming out and Natasha needed to survive.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 21, 2019 16:56:39 GMT -5
Well I did preface it with Rumor It and an admission from Marcus and McFeely that they were unaware of the Black Widow movie being green lit when they wrote her death certainly hasn't stopped a particularly vocal section of t'interwebs convincing themselves that this is actually set after Endgame and that Cap brings her back to life. Not that that would even make sense. Not as if somebody at Marvel wouldn't tell the writers that they had to change that scene because there was a Black Widow movie coming out and Natasha needed to survive. Well I mean... I forget if it was the Writers or the Russos that said it.. but they said something like yeah it doesn't even matter what we intend with things we have no say anymore... So the MCU can do whatever they want... my guess is still that it's a prequel... and a prequel to Infinity War would make the most sense... as doing the "Budapest" story Nat would have to be much younger... not that Scarlett is old at all... but even Iron Man 2 was 10 years ago and as it is it sounds like Budapest took place before then.
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Post by Larryhausen on Jun 21, 2019 17:07:28 GMT -5
Id like it to be set during the 5 years after the Snap. Maybe some quick cameos from both Caps, Okoye, Rhodey and Rocket, but focus it on her trying to track down Clint.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 24, 2019 8:27:03 GMT -5
I mean, a prequel could work well enough if you go far enough outside the box while not destroying the canon.
It can start by Hawkeye receiving a key to a safety deposit box as per instructions in Natasha's will.
He opens the box and finds a bunch of old, musty documents and tapes. Included is a note for Clint from Natasha:
"Clint,
I know that you have been suffering terribly lately. The loss of your family to Thanos is something that I cannot even begin to fathom. I understand what is driving you to do the things you do today. I wish you could understand that it is not the only way you can have a positive effect on the world. You have so much more to offer than your skills. You have your heart, courage, and leadership, things we need today more than ever before.
I don't know how to bring you back from the brink. I do know that I owe it to you to try to do so, however. You did that for me, more than you even know. I know you have some idea of my past, but I am afraid that I misled you terribly. You never could understand why I felt that I had so much to make up to the world even after I did so much good, but that is because I hid from you just how much harm I have done in my past. I think the time for hiding this from you has passed. I know that you hurt even as you do the things you have done since we failed to protect your family along with the rest of the universe. I hope that by telling you how you helped me recover from my past might help you find yourself and help you find peace.
Enclosed is all of the files I have been able to collect from both Shield, Hydra, the CIA and the KGB that pertain to my past. I don't expect you to view me in the same light once you fully understand who I was. I only hope that you remember that you helped me become a person you thought well of. If I can become that, then you can too.
I will always cherish our time together, even that time in Budapest. Be strong, my friend. Just know that we all still love you.
Always,
Natasha"
The film then should flash between Hawkeye going through the files and other evidence and the bulk of the main story. Between voice-overs from Hawkeye reading files, old videos, and flashbacks, the main story should tell a story of a young girl orphaned by the Nazis in WW2, taken in by the KGB to be put through their own supersoldier program, given the KGB's inferior knockoff of the super soldier serum (hence why she looks like a 34 yr old several generations later as well as throw around guys much larger than her throughout all of the movies she has been in), and put through the program to be a superspy. They can flash over various missions for the KGB through the decades, including spending 5 minutes or so where she kills a political target, only to learn she orphaned a little girl who she later meets going through the same program she is in (maybe even make her Yelena Belova). It is at that point that she starts to realize the harm she is doing to those left behind.
The final act of the movie can be her trying to stop an operation by Belova that she deems too destructive. It can be late in the act where a de-aged Clint can appear to carry out his assassination order against her. She does not fight back, but does beg him to stop the operation in her place if he must kill her, prompting Hawkeye to team up with her to stop the operation. They should be only partly successful, but Hawkeye can help Nat see the good that she did do and the lives she did save, where he then offers her the chance to do more of that.
Finally, she has one last request: she asks Clint to deliver all of this to Yelena as she feels the woman deserves to understand what role their handlers had in shaping her life and the opportunity to try to heal herself by clearing some of the red off of her ledger as well.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 10, 2019 10:55:45 GMT -5
I could dig it.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jul 10, 2019 13:01:51 GMT -5
the main story should tell a story of a young girl orphaned by the Nazis in WW2, Except, in Captain America: The Winter Solider it was stated that she was born in 1984.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 10, 2019 13:55:17 GMT -5
the main story should tell a story of a young girl orphaned by the Nazis in WW2, Except, in Captain America: The Winter Solider it was stated that she was born in 1984. Exactly how did it state that? Was it in a source that could have been faked in order to avoid having those uncomfortable questions about why an octogenarian is still smoking hot? I legitimately don't remember.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jul 10, 2019 14:11:38 GMT -5
Except, in Captain America: The Winter Solider it was stated that she was born in 1984. Exactly how did it state that? Was it in a source that could have been faked in order to avoid having those uncomfortable questions about why an octogenarian is still smoking hot? I legitimately don't remember. Zola states, as the enter the military base.. "Steve Rogers, born 1918. Natasha Rominoff, born 1984." Zola, who was with Hydra, would know if Natasha was older than that.
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