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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 21:32:02 GMT -5
That's what I think as well. I was looking at it from an ace perspective and Strowman is consistently hitting it out of the park. Night in and night out he's doing the work to a point where to us? It's baffling he's not The Guy. But look at the even how the shows have been closed out in 2018, which is something we hold as generally important... R Rumble: Call that a wash because both lost their matches on the night, the women’s Rumble went last and then the Rousey thing happened after that Chamber: Reigns won the Chamber match over Strowman, sure, but Strowman laid him out before he really had a chance to celebrate WrestleMania: Reigns gets his nice WrestleMania clothes all bloody and loses clean, cue sad Hulk music. Meanwhile, Strowman is so dominant that he wins tag titles with a 10 year old kid as his partner G R Rumble: Reigns loses because of his own finisher, and not for the first time. Meanwhile, Strowman closes out the show as the winner of a 50-man Rumble, flanked by Vince himself, presumably a very important Saudi Arabian guy, a custom belt and a massive trophy with fireworks going off everywhere And then you factor in 2018 TV... Compare and contrast how many times Reigns has been laid out to the amount of times Strowman has been laid out. I’m not even sure Strowman HAS been laid out at any point. Again, I say this a lot, but this is proof of how presentation can skew perception of a talent despite their booking, regardless of the booking being good or bad. Dealing strictly with win/loss records, Strowman has it all over Reigns right now (14-4-0 to 5-8-0). Karl Anderson has a better W/L than Reigns (8-8-0). Bayley has a better W/L than Reigns (8-8-0). The Revival have better W/Ls than Reigns (both 10-7-0). John Cena, currently working an angle where he’s washed up and unsure of his place in modern WWE... better W/L than Reigns (6-6-0). Becky goddamn Lynch, someone who we decry as not being able to buy a win... even she has a slightly better W/L than Reigns (5-7-0). But because Reigns is talked up so much by commentary, that gets overlooked and ignored. I had no idea that Roman's W/L record was that bad holy shit this is crazy. You're right, presentation goes a long way because Roman absolutely does not need to be in the title picture, that's insane. How could his record be that bad and yet we still have him in these high-profiled matches?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 29, 2018 21:45:25 GMT -5
But look at the even how the shows have been closed out in 2018, which is something we hold as generally important... R Rumble: Call that a wash because both lost their matches on the night, the women’s Rumble went last and then the Rousey thing happened after that Chamber: Reigns won the Chamber match over Strowman, sure, but Strowman laid him out before he really had a chance to celebrate WrestleMania: Reigns gets his nice WrestleMania clothes all bloody and loses clean, cue sad Hulk music. Meanwhile, Strowman is so dominant that he wins tag titles with a 10 year old kid as his partner G R Rumble: Reigns loses because of his own finisher, and not for the first time. Meanwhile, Strowman closes out the show as the winner of a 50-man Rumble, flanked by Vince himself, presumably a very important Saudi Arabian guy, a custom belt and a massive trophy with fireworks going off everywhere And then you factor in 2018 TV... Compare and contrast how many times Reigns has been laid out to the amount of times Strowman has been laid out. I’m not even sure Strowman HAS been laid out at any point. Again, I say this a lot, but this is proof of how presentation can skew perception of a talent despite their booking, regardless of the booking being good or bad. Dealing strictly with win/loss records, Strowman has it all over Reigns right now (14-4-0 to 5-8-0). Karl Anderson has a better W/L than Reigns (8-8-0). Bayley has a better W/L than Reigns (8-8-0). The Revival have better W/Ls than Reigns (both 10-7-0). John Cena, currently working an angle where he’s washed up and unsure of his place in modern WWE... better W/L than Reigns (6-6-0). Becky goddamn Lynch, someone who we decry as not being able to buy a win... even she has a slightly better W/L than Reigns (5-7-0). But because Reigns is talked up so much by commentary, that gets overlooked and ignored. I had no idea that Roman's W/L record was that bad holy shit this is crazy. You're right, presentation goes a long way because Roman absolutely does not need to be in the title picture, that's insane. How could his record be that bad and yet we still have him in these high-profiled matches? It wasn’t that much of a stretch that he’d have been in the Top 7 possible singles contenders for the Chamber, so I can buy him winning the WM title shot from there. Don’t know about the Saudi Arabia show, though. But the weird thing is, as of today, that Chamber match is Reigns’s most recent TV win. He’s only had the two Lesnar matches since... which probably helps to explain his poor W/L record somewhat, since he spent all of March having a moan on the microphone and getting his ass handed to him by Lesnar instead of keeping fighting fit by having wrestling matches and getting some Ws.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 22:05:52 GMT -5
I had no idea that Roman's W/L record was that bad holy shit this is crazy. You're right, presentation goes a long way because Roman absolutely does not need to be in the title picture, that's insane. How could his record be that bad and yet we still have him in these high-profiled matches? It wasn’t that much of a stretch that he’d have been in the Top 7 possible singles contenders for the Chamber, so I can buy him winning the WM title shot from there. Don’t know about the Saudi Arabia show, though. But the weird thing is, as of today, that Chamber match is Reigns’s most recent TV win. He’s only had the two Lesnar matches since... which probably helps to explain his poor W/L record somewhat, since he spent all of March having a moan on the microphone and getting his ass handed to him by Lesnar instead of keeping fighting fit by having wrestling matches and getting some Ws. Yeah it's even worse considering the guy isn't wrestling each Monday like guys such as Rollins, Miz and even Ambrose when he wasn't injured. They do their best to limit Roman's time in the ring these days which isn't a positive. The big question is, where does Roman go from here? I'll make a prediction: we're getting that Jinder Mahal feud next. Roman's going to run roughshod over Mahal the entire time and interestingly enough, people will start catching onto Mahal.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 29, 2018 22:18:06 GMT -5
So, this is proof that either Braun or Seth should be The Man.
Roman's about to drop below Seth and Cedric in the rankings.
But Cedric kinda has that same "He's management's favorite, he's not OUR favorite" thing working against him (The net's favorite seems to be Mustafa).
Braun has been knocking it out of the park since he beat the crap out of Johnny Knockout.
And Seth has got his groove back and looked like a legit workhorse ever since he got the Blackout back as a finisher.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 29, 2018 22:19:48 GMT -5
Right now I think Jinder is basically buried. If anything he'll feud with Chad Gable or someone lower like No Way Jose, which was teased. Jinder vs. Roman would be a nothing TV match.
The constant Reigns push/non push has just worn me out as a fan. I quite enjoyed the Greatest Rumble itself and you know why? There were 50 men in it and Reigns wasn't one. The guy is like this dark cloud hovering over everything and it was a relief to watch a Royal Rumble without worrying whether they would pull the trigger and have him win it, or live in terror about it, or just anything Reigns related. Instead I got to enjoy Strowman's dominant, history making win, Titus being a fool, Bryan's longevity record, and Rey generally looking like the best guy in the ring.
Reigns at this point is like Lebron James to me. Both are 3 time champions, both constantly pushed as though they are the man, but truth be told they both lose a lot when the lights are brightest.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 30, 2018 10:10:08 GMT -5
It's like Vince's big revenge for having to settle for Bret Hart when he failed with Luger.
He should take a look at this board. This thread has us going around in circles repeating things we've said a 100 times. Give us something new, man
The worst part is he has the hoss of all hosses on his roster and the fans love him. Your chance is finally here.
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Post by DSR on Apr 30, 2018 11:15:11 GMT -5
He's a sinner. He's a saint. He should not feel ashamed. But is he a lover? Is he a child? Is he a mother?
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 30, 2018 11:17:59 GMT -5
No but he is a tease, a goddess on his knees, when you're hurt, when you suffer, he's your angel undercover.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2018 11:33:37 GMT -5
Vince wouldn't want him any other way.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 30, 2018 13:04:47 GMT -5
Strowman's their dude now. He's gotta be. I agree with Meltzer as in Strowman isn't someone you can book a company around for say 5 years or so but right now? You can easily do at least 2 years worth of storylines with him on each brand as the lead. Have Strowman win the belt, say he loses it due to shenanigans and goes on a rampage, that in itself can last a year. Switch brands, do the same thing, he's great right now. www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2018/4/28/17296780/wwe-braun-strowman-roman-reigns-the-guy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 13:05:41 GMT -5
Strowman's their dude now. He's gotta be. I agree with Meltzer as in Strowman isn't someone you can book a company around for say 5 years or so but right now? You can easily do at least 2 years worth of storylines with him on each brand as the lead. Have Strowman win the belt, say he loses it due to shenanigans and goes on a rampage, that in itself can last a year. Switch brands, do the same thing, he's great right now. www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2018/4/28/17296780/wwe-braun-strowman-roman-reigns-the-guyThey know what's up, yep absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 13:23:07 GMT -5
They know what's up, yep absolutely. And then watch them cool him off a tad by shackling both him and Bobby Lashley in the tag team division.
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