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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 23:35:45 GMT -5
He wasn't a fan prior to impact and ironically if I watched impact I wouldn't be a fan of wrestling. The number of boneheaded moves from the company have slowed but that's largely due to the budget cuts mentioned in his comments there. They can't plan long term because noone is contracted long term. The longer term booking (Eddie Edwards for example) is bloody terrible sounding as well. So the company is veering from directionless indy to the worst of early 00s worked shoots and violence, which, well, not sure if it's better or worse than before but there less constant embarrasments now at least I maintain his biggest error will be putting Callis in charge of anything, but I'm playing the long game here with that prediction. I feel like there isn't much to base your opinion on except for throwing a shot in the dark that you might be able to say "I told you so" at some point. Callis might not be an obvious choice for his position but who is? Pro wrestling doesn't really have a high free agency for televised pro wrestling bookers. Callis has experience at least, and I think over time making Impact a playground for people with a vision like Rosemary and Sami (despite what anyone thinks of what they offer) is a good idea worth trying at least. Who knows what the future holds but I don't really see the point in expecting doom and gloom when D'amore and Callis have so far brought Impact mostly positive buzz despite the tough spot they're in. Especially to expect it to be the "worst ever" when you consider who their predecessors are. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 1:47:27 GMT -5
He wasn't a fan prior to impact and ironically if I watched impact I wouldn't be a fan of wrestling. The number of boneheaded moves from the company have slowed but that's largely due to the budget cuts mentioned in his comments there. They can't plan long term because noone is contracted long term. The longer term booking (Eddie Edwards for example) is bloody terrible sounding as well. So the company is veering from directionless indy to the worst of early 00s worked shoots and violence, which, well, not sure if it's better or worse than before but there less constant embarrasments now at least I maintain his biggest error will be putting Callis in charge of anything, but I'm playing the long game here with that prediction. I'm of the same mind with that last prediction. Callis has no experience as a notable promoter to merit being trusted there. A lot of people talk about "what a brilliant wrestling mind" he has, without really being able to point to anything he's actually produced(and no, Cyrus doesn't count. Yes, he portrayed it well, but he was basically Heyman's mouthpiece). Indeed. And similarly booking a small indy and doing talent liaison for NJPW along with terrible commentary doesn't give the skillset for this job. Plus, there is a reason he was called The Virus. He rubs a lot of people up the wrong way. He wasn't a fan prior to impact and ironically if I watched impact I wouldn't be a fan of wrestling. The number of boneheaded moves from the company have slowed but that's largely due to the budget cuts mentioned in his comments there. They can't plan long term because noone is contracted long term. The longer term booking (Eddie Edwards for example) is bloody terrible sounding as well. So the company is veering from directionless indy to the worst of early 00s worked shoots and violence, which, well, not sure if it's better or worse than before but there less constant embarrasments now at least I maintain his biggest error will be putting Callis in charge of anything, but I'm playing the long game here with that prediction. I feel like there isn't much to base your opinion on except for throwing a shot in the dark that you might be able to say "I told you so" at some point. Callis might not be an obvious choice for his position but who is? Pro wrestling doesn't really have a high free agency for televised pro wrestling bookers. Callis has experience at least, and I think over time making Impact a playground for people with a vision like Rosemary and Sami (despite what anyone thinks of what they offer) is a good idea worth trying at least. Who knows what the future holds but I don't really see the point in expecting doom and gloom when D'amore and Callis have so far brought Impact mostly positive buzz despite the tough spot they're in. Especially to expect it to be the "worst ever" when you consider who their predecessors are. I have reasons based on what I've been told by people I trust (partially shaky ground in wrestling mind you!). I really like Damore, no issue there, and I've been pleasantly surprised for the most part but the realism they've both brought to the role. I may well be wrong but I just see it ending badly. It's TNA, it will inevitably end badly. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 4, 2018 3:39:43 GMT -5
I'm of the same mind with that last prediction. Callis has no experience as a notable promoter to merit being trusted there. A lot of people talk about "what a brilliant wrestling mind" he has, without really being able to point to anything he's actually produced(and no, Cyrus doesn't count. Yes, he portrayed it well, but he was basically Heyman's mouthpiece). Indeed. And similarly booking a small indy and doing talent liaison for NJPW along with terrible commentary doesn't give the skillset for this job. Plus, there is a reason he was called The Virus. He rubs a lot of people up the wrong way. I feel like there isn't much to base your opinion on except for throwing a shot in the dark that you might be able to say "I told you so" at some point. Callis might not be an obvious choice for his position but who is? Pro wrestling doesn't really have a high free agency for televised pro wrestling bookers. Callis has experience at least, and I think over time making Impact a playground for people with a vision like Rosemary and Sami (despite what anyone thinks of what they offer) is a good idea worth trying at least. Who knows what the future holds but I don't really see the point in expecting doom and gloom when D'amore and Callis have so far brought Impact mostly positive buzz despite the tough spot they're in. Especially to expect it to be the "worst ever" when you consider who their predecessors are. I have reasons based on what I've been told by people I trust (partially shaky ground in wrestling mind you!). I really like Damore, no issue there, and I've been pleasantly surprised for the most part but the realism they've both brought to the role. I may well be wrong but I just see it ending badly. It's TNA, it will inevitably end badly. The thing about it is that there not many options when it comes good writers in wrestling or bookers if you will. TNA has had just about everyone not name Heyman under there umbrella at some point. The issue is they need fresh wrestling minded people and I think that where they are going. I mean they started off with Jerry Jarrett, than Dusty, Russo, D'Amore, Russo and Mantell (Mantell leaving), Hogan and Bischoff, A countless groups after them that had Christy Hemmie, Mike Tenay, Abyss, BJ, and who knows who else they rotated, Bruce Prichard for a cup of coffee. They used a lot of different guys. Mantell basically was booted out because he was the escape go for whatever reason if it was shit it was his fault when everyone but Dixie clearly knew it was Russo's work. |
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Post by The Barber on May 4, 2018 5:22:21 GMT -5
Neither was AJ. Jesus christ, you people are desperate to dump on Impact even when they're doing well. According to legend, neither was Vince McMahon Jr. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 4, 2018 5:33:47 GMT -5
Most of the people involved on the management and business side of wrestling these days aren't former wrestlers, from wrestling families or even fans so I can't see it as a particular strike against Nordholm, especially given everything we've seen from 'wrestling people' over the past four decades.
The carny way of doing thing has devastated the wrestling landscape, with promotion after promotion falling after being run by fans, or people who're born into the business so 'know' how things 'should' be run, like Jarrett, whose shitty influence nearly killed TNA at the start of the anthem run and cost them a tonne of money.
Wrestling needs people who are at least prepared to try and run it like a business, if they're not writing the show it doesn't really matter if they're fans or not.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 4, 2018 7:44:11 GMT -5
You don’t say.
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Post by markymark on May 4, 2018 8:16:16 GMT -5
Most of the people involved on the management and business side of wrestling these days aren't former wrestlers, from wrestling families or even fans so I can't see it as a particular strike against Nordholm, especially given everything we've seen from 'wrestling people' over the past four decades. The carny way of doing thing has devastated the wrestling landscape, with promotion after promotion falling after being run by fans, or people who're born into the business so 'know' how things 'should' be run, like Jarrett, whose shitty influence nearly killed TNA at the start of the anthem run and cost them a tonne of money. Wrestling needs people who are at least prepared to try and run it like a business, if they're not writing the show it doesn't really matter if they're fans or not. True, Ed was slowly being brainwashed by Jarrett vision of how to run a wrestling company but he was smart enough to notice it and got rid of Jarrett and his friends. Jarretts strength was always getting deals and partnerships, he always sucked in creative team, he was like a poor version of HHH(pushing the guys he wants to instead of the guys who are over). |
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on May 4, 2018 16:15:35 GMT -5
He is worse than Herb Abrams!
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Post by The Spelunker! on May 4, 2018 18:48:30 GMT -5
I don’t see why it would be a problem overall, but it certainly explains much of his approach of hire people who know more than him and trust them to do what they know.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2018 19:01:35 GMT -5
Most of the people involved on the management and business side of wrestling these days aren't former wrestlers, from wrestling families or even fans so I can't see it as a particular strike against Nordholm, especially given everything we've seen from 'wrestling people' over the past four decades. The carny way of doing thing has devastated the wrestling landscape, with promotion after promotion falling after being run by fans, or people who're born into the business so 'know' how things 'should' be run, like Jarrett, whose shitty influence nearly killed TNA at the start of the anthem run and cost them a tonne of money. Wrestling needs people who are at least prepared to try and run it like a business, if they're not writing the show it doesn't really matter if they're fans or not. True, Ed was slowly being brainwashed by Jarrett vision of how to run a wrestling company but he was smart enough to notice it and got rid of Jarrett and his friends. Jarretts strength was always getting deals and partnerships, he always sucked in creative team, he was like a poor version of HHH(pushing the guys he wants to instead of the guys who are over). Well Jarrett had to get drunk off his ass first and be embarrassing in public but yes he made the right decision to can him. Same with suspending Alberto when that incident between him and Paige happened and they needed to figure out the facts. Thus far they deserve credit for making the obvious solutions that previous management could not for the life of them make |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 4, 2018 22:09:22 GMT -5
Considering how many people entrenched in pro wrestling have their whole insular "DIS BIZNESS" hangups and/or still think they can get away with sleazy carny bullshit, having a promotion run by somebody from a nonwrestling background isn't altogether a bad thing.
That's no excuse for Nordholm in the slightest, however, because unfamiliarity with pro wrestling doesn't cover his most idiotic blunders. You don't need to know pro wrestling to realize that, say, driving away the performer responsible for the segments that have generated the most positive buzz and attention for your product in years by lowballing him in contract negotiations might result in a backlash from your audience. Or that rolling out the red carpet for and building your show around a guy who's left multiple former employers under bad circumstances might not be a good idea. Or that after the last guy almost immediately gets in a domestic abuse scandal that necessitates dropping him, bringing him back a few months after it blows over and trying to build your show around him AGAIN is an even worse idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 15:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 17:43:56 GMT -5
Ed Nordholm wasn’t a wrestling fan prior to Impact, after watching Impact still not a wrestling fan.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on May 5, 2018 18:14:07 GMT -5
Not even shocked in the slightest. Nothing surprises me with TNA anymore, except for its continuing existence.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on May 6, 2018 9:09:25 GMT -5
Honestly I really don't see why you need to be a fan of wrestling to write it properly or properly oversee it. So long as you've got a good business sense and know the right people to delegate to there's no problem. Nordholm doesn't, mind you, but I really think if anything wrestling would benefit from more people bringing in ideas from outside the box. If you don't understand the product that your business operates on, How in the world would you expect to construct a working model for success? It be like me looking confused as to why my store called 'Dollar deals and below' is failing because the interior is set up like a McDonalds and I only sell high-end Lacoste shirt and pants for 80$ |
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Post by wankah on May 6, 2018 10:53:21 GMT -5
For f***'s sake. It's pretty much the same gig with American sports or entertainment or Americans, Russians, whatever buying into European sports. Do you think the Liverpool owners or Stan Kroenke or their trusted ones have a vision how to develop a prospect winger to Robert Pires?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 13:50:39 GMT -5
I do not think it matters whether the ships preverbial captain was a fan of wrestling previously but more so that he surrounds himself with people that are and do understand the wrestling side.
EVW is the show runner for LU and he was admittedly not a fan but he got to do legends house and tough enough 2011 and he got a taste for it and then got called on to do LU and knew to surround himself with people that he both could trust on a personal level and loved wrestling thus IMO the best creative team in wrestling with Dejoseph and Roach.
Nord looks like by all accounts he did not clear the preverbial table like he should have but needed wrestling minds and got advised on who to bring in...basically the Dixie model.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 7, 2018 23:52:36 GMT -5
I feel it’s blatantly obvious he wasn’t a wrestling fan prior, as pretty much everything he’s done you can clearly tell it’s at someone else’s suggestion. He has final say on everything, and he’s definitely the one controlling the purse strings, but he’s obviously doing what his inner circle is telling him to do for better or worse.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 7, 2018 23:54:46 GMT -5
Another thing Ed Nordholm ain't a fan of? Making money.
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