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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on May 9, 2018 3:48:44 GMT -5
If this is true then props to the WWE for doing it.
However I really can't help but feel that people are overacting to what J.R said.
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Post by abjordans on May 9, 2018 4:48:30 GMT -5
If this is true then props to the WWE for doing it. However I really can't help but feel that people are overacting to what J.R said. On this board? Never.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 5:36:19 GMT -5
I imagine the wrestlers get a little extra bunce for overseas trips to compensate for the travel stress, time away from families ect so next time they go to the UK, Japan, Oz ect or anywhere where they've grown out of the watching girls wrestle might give us cooties nonsense just pay the women double to make up for missing Saudi.
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Post by DoubleDare on May 9, 2018 5:52:07 GMT -5
Honestly, for all we know, they were paid bonuses and the understanding is that it was clearly to compensate for the lack of the GRR payday. WWE clearly wants their women’s roster to be happy and it looks as though they are week in and week out. The Saudis certainly paid WWE enough to keep everyone happy anyhow, even if they don’t get to perform. But yeah, JR is dead wrong and his tone deaf response should embarrass him. You say this, but I haven't listened to JR's podcast in 2-3 yeears which was before his wife died, and he was pretty bitter than too, I can only imagine how much worse it got, I imagine alot of people told him to stop doing the god awful impressions of terry funk and stu hart. But that ROH Lighting guys! ITS NOT WWE STANDARDS! Also yea he needs to just shup up about the women, but no surprise as he never did ANYTHING to really push women too much.
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Post by chronocross on May 9, 2018 5:53:40 GMT -5
Honestly, for all we know, they were paid bonuses and the understanding is that it was clearly to compensate for the lack of the GRR payday. WWE clearly wants their women’s roster to be happy and it looks as though they are week in and week out. The Saudis certainly paid WWE enough to keep everyone happy anyhow, even if they don’t get to perform. But yeah, JR is dead wrong and his tone deaf response should embarrass him. You say this, but I haven't listened to JR's podcast in 2-3 yeears which was before his wife died, and he was pretty bitter than too, I can only imagine how much worse it got, I imagine alot of people told him to stop doing the god awful impressions of terry funk and stu hart. But that ROH Lighting guys! ITS NOT WWE STANDARDS! Also yea he needs to just shup up about the women, but no surprise as he never did ANYTHING to really push women too much. Slightly off-topic, I never get enough of Stu Hart impersonations.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on May 9, 2018 6:40:13 GMT -5
Go sit in the corner JR.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 6:45:19 GMT -5
Just so I’m clear: the WWE took a huge sum of money to put on a show in a place they know discriminates against an entire gender. Then uses some of that money to pay off their female talent for not being able to perform there. Jim Ross has an opinion about it, stating that he thinks people shouldn’t get paid if they didn’t work. And it’s ROSS everyone has an issue with? Even if you disagree with him, he’s the least offensive person in this story.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 9, 2018 8:54:51 GMT -5
The whole situation was bad sure. But the idea that somehow the women didn't earn somethin. That's a false premise given they weren't allowed to perform
All these comparisons to other jobs don't wash either given that the performers weren't allowed to participate. It'd be the same if it was another group...say somethin silly like the cruisers were prohibited, same deal. WWE put em in a position where the women COULDN'T do the job, but gave em compensation. Good foe them.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on May 9, 2018 9:05:05 GMT -5
Honestly, for all we know, they were paid bonuses and the understanding is that it was clearly to compensate for the lack of the GRR payday. WWE clearly wants their women’s roster to be happy and it looks as though they are week in and week out. The Saudis certainly paid WWE enough to keep everyone happy anyhow, even if they don’t get to perform. But yeah, JR is dead wrong and his tone deaf response should embarrass him. You say this, but I haven't listened to JR's podcast in 2-3 yeears which was before his wife died, and he was pretty bitter than too, I can only imagine how much worse it got, I imagine alot of people told him to stop doing the god awful impressions of terry funk and stu hart. But that ROH Lighting guys! ITS NOT WWE STANDARDS! Also yea he needs to just shup up about the women, but no surprise as he never did ANYTHING to really push women too much. In fairness, he’s not wrong about the lighting. It would help them tremendously.
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Post by hassanchop on May 9, 2018 9:07:44 GMT -5
Unless your names are Hogan, Hall, Nash, Flair, Goldberg Jarrett etc.
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Post by DoubleDare on May 9, 2018 9:24:53 GMT -5
You say this, but I haven't listened to JR's podcast in 2-3 yeears which was before his wife died, and he was pretty bitter than too, I can only imagine how much worse it got, I imagine alot of people told him to stop doing the god awful impressions of terry funk and stu hart. But that ROH Lighting guys! ITS NOT WWE STANDARDS! Also yea he needs to just shup up about the women, but no surprise as he never did ANYTHING to really push women too much. In fairness, he’s not wrong about the lighting. It would help them tremendously. The problem isn't that he is wrong about ROH lighting, just it seemed like he went on about it every time he mentioned ROH, like once or twice, we get it. But he just kept on bringing it up.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 9:41:40 GMT -5
The whole situation was bad sure. But the idea that somehow the women didn't earn somethin. That's a false premise given they weren't allowed to perform . JR worded it badly, no doubt. His general idea was logical but sounds like he might have been ignorant to the facts on this one. I just think the WWE doing a show there in the first place and the women (presumably) accepting the money without making a fuss is way worse than an old man having a warped opinion. If my employer did a show for a group that refused to have minorities on it, but then said “don’t worry we will still pay you”, I’d probably look for employment elsewhere. The women in the WWE will take the money and then talk about how progressive the company is any time someone shoves a camera in their face. That’s not right.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 9, 2018 9:58:25 GMT -5
No argument here.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 9, 2018 10:07:54 GMT -5
The women didn't earn it like Bill Watts isn't racist.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2018 10:53:45 GMT -5
The whole situation was bad sure. But the idea that somehow the women didn't earn somethin. That's a false premise given they weren't allowed to perform All these comparisons to other jobs don't wash either given that the performers weren't allowed to participate. It'd be the same if it was another group...say somethin silly like the cruisers were prohibited, same deal. WWE put em in a position where the women COULDN'T do the job, but gave em compensation. Good foe them. Yea it’s like someone said to me earlier about how should the men be paid if they did an all women’s shown and unless they are going to a place where men are banned like Planet Amazonia the comparison doesn’t hold up In the end yes WWE put them in a position where they couldn’t perform but they compensated them none the less
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Post by Cyno on May 9, 2018 11:42:41 GMT -5
The only way JR's comments are justifiable are if he didn't realize that the reason the GRR didn't have women on the card is because they were forbidden by the backwards government from doing so.
And how does Jerry Lawler come off here as being more progressive about women than JR? JERRY FREAKIN' LAWLER.
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Post by Andy Martin on May 9, 2018 11:46:18 GMT -5
Jim Ross is an old, out of touch fool.
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Post by Legion on May 9, 2018 11:54:02 GMT -5
I happen to agree.
I dont think they should be paid for a show they didnt work on. WWE putting on a Network special and paying them for that though, all for it.
But I dont believe in the notion of paying someone for something they didnt do. Find something for them to do, and pay them for that.
Where JR is wrong is the notion they should have to earn their spot on the card - because on THAT card, they couldnt. He's right in general that you nave to earn the right to be booked for standard shows, but in this case they couldn't be. So that comment is just silly.
So, if WWE are that concerned about balancing things out (and they aren't really, they are worried about some backlash they are getting about it, but I doubt anyone in power actually cares about the moral implications else they wouldnt have gone), you just find a way to give them a pay day, but not have it just be about saying 'it isnt fair' - because legitimately, who would you pay?
All of them? But not all of them would have been booked - not all the male wrestlers were. You might have got a title match or two, or maybe an elimination tag. I doubt WWE would have had the time, on that card, with certain 'ordered' matches, to have done a female GRR. So rather than give token payments, put on a female only network show and pay them for that, or just don't and have it be accepted that no pay for that show, cos you didnt work it cos that show's payer didnt order a female match.
You can make it a moral issue, and perhaps questions should be raised about the moral issues behind it, but boil it all down and the fact of the matter is that the person hosting the show and paying for the show didnt order that part of the show. So that part of the show's performers dont get paid, cos they didnt work it.
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Post by Facetious on May 9, 2018 12:00:15 GMT -5
"You earn your right to perform!!!"
Shut the f*** up JR. You don't even have to dig deep to figure out why this is straight dumb logic in this scenario.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 9, 2018 12:50:44 GMT -5
Okay now someone explain to me how holiday pay and paid vacations are morally wrong and will be the downfall of society.
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