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Post by Feyrhausen on May 31, 2022 11:52:33 GMT -5
Star Wars fans learned nothing from what fans did to Jake Lloyd. Or Ahmed Best. Or Hayden Christensen. Or Daisy Ridley. Or John Boyega. Or Kelly Marie Tran. Or Naomi Ackie. All fine actors for the most part. Maybe not Jake Lloyd but he was a kid. If you dont like their characters or performances place the blame where it belongs. On the writers and directors.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on May 31, 2022 11:59:24 GMT -5
Im often outspoken on seeing women, aliens, and people of color in Imperial roles, but only in OT timelines.
Kayfabe with me for a sec.
The Empire are British accented Nazis, or were. The EU pushed hard that Palpatine despised anything but white dudes in his Empire. They are the bad guys. We are not supposed to romanticize them.
I know EU got retconned, but I like the literal black and white difference of the Empire and Everyone else, because the Empire loses.
I never get tired of seeing Nazis lose in WW2 movies, and preferably if we are talking any story between Ep III-VI I would prefer to have the Empire depicted as they originally were.
The Galactic Order? Shit, who cares. They needed every able bodied person to rebuild their ranks. I can see why they have diversified ranks.
Now, to specifically speak of Reva and the Inquisitors, it makes total sense that Vader will take any force apt and trained subordinate he can since well, his goal is to eliminate every force trained person in the galaxy.
Disney definitely pushes for diversity in their projects these days, which is great. A galaxy would be awfully shallow with just white people and aliens running around. I don’t particularly think the Reva character is great just yet, but aside from the parkour scene, she’s not remotely bad either. Its been two f***ing episodes. Give it time. If ya end up not liking the character, be frustrated with the writing and directing, but to hate a character and/or the actor because of their ethnicity is just sad.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 31, 2022 12:45:30 GMT -5
Star Wars fans learned nothing from what fans did to Jake Lloyd. Or Ahmed Best. Or Hayden Christensen. Or Daisy Ridley. Or John Boyega. Or Kelly Marie Tran. Or Naomi Ackie. All fine actors for the most part. Maybe not Jake Lloyd but he was a kid. If you dont like their characters or performances place the blame where it belongs. On the writers and directors. That is usually true. But it takes two to tango, as the actor/actress should have the talent to put over whatever the writers are selling. I'm liking Ewan under a "better" script so far. We shall see how Hayden fares as he is in the series more.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 31, 2022 13:04:05 GMT -5
That is usually true. But it takes two to tango, as the actor/actress should have the talent to put over whatever the writers are selling. It very much depends on age and experience as much as as it does talent. Natalie Portman is an Academy Award-winning actress and her talent has never been in doubt, but she couldn't elevate the dialogue Lucas had written. Liam Neeson and Christopher Lee, however, took some of the most trite dialogue the franchise has ever seen and made it work.
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Post by gl83 on May 31, 2022 13:27:04 GMT -5
There are some really miserable excuses for people out there. Well you know there is only room for one person of color in Star Wars and Lando filled that spot. Anything else is just pandering. *Looks over at Mace Windu, Saw Gerrera, Moff Gideon..... Do we classify Jango Fett/Boba Fett and the other clones as well....?
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 31, 2022 13:35:13 GMT -5
Well you know there is only room for one person of color in Star Wars and Lando filled that spot. Anything else is just pandering. *Looks over at Mace Windu, Saw Gerrera, Moff Gideon..... Do we classify Jango Fett/Boba Fett and the other clones as well....? Im sure they all got crap from the same losers. I do know people that were pissed that Boba want white.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 31, 2022 13:37:59 GMT -5
Same types who want a certain person back for Mando S3, I'd guess?
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Post by Push R Truth on May 31, 2022 13:50:34 GMT -5
Same types who want a certain person back for Mando S3, I'd guess? Can't wait to see Greef return and pull aside Grogu, "Stay in school and use your brain. Be a doctor, be a lawyer, carry a leather briefcase. Forget about Jedi as a profession. Jedi make ya grunt and smell. See, be a thinker, not a stinker." Oh wait, we ain't talking about Greef
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 31, 2022 21:28:57 GMT -5
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 1, 2022 0:31:44 GMT -5
The girl playing Leia is fantastic. Amazing character work for such a young kid.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jun 1, 2022 2:46:09 GMT -5
I won't be in this thread for a while, as my Dad wants to see Kenobi with me at the end of June once it's complete. First two eps were good, now I'll hold off on eps 3-6 so I'd be mostly unspoiled when he sees it with me for the first time.
I've gotta just climb in to the Kenobi blackout bunker for a month and stay away from anywhere and anything where it's being discussed. I can almost hear the YouTube recommendations yelling at me already!
The situation with Moses...well, you know the board policy. I'll try to carefully say that, in several countries, I think some pretty terrible people have been emboldened by other terrible people doing well in the last several years. With the rise of social media making it a ton more easy to do so, they are happy to announce their bigotry loudly.
Lloyd and Christensen got loads of nasty abuse but not with the racist attacks. Nor the misogynistic attacks. Nor the sexual attacks. That's what makes an already crappy situation into a worse one.
I'm certain some idiots bitched about Billy Dee Williams back in 1980, but not because of his gender.
Ewan's already put out a video message of support and condemnation via the Star Wars Twitter channel. Which is just the kind of stand-up thing I'd expect from the guy.
It's extra baffling to me because I think both Reva and the actress playing her, Moses, are fine. I want to see what happens with her next and we don't know her story yet.
Last note - in a strange way, it'd almost be nice to say "Oh, it's those Star Wars fans, they're the worst". Put everything in that one box, even though I'm a Star Wars fan as well. Whereas the sad truth is that so many fanbases, especially as they get bigger and in this easily performative age, suffer from this disease. Trash is trash. You've gotta resist it and fight back against it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 2:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jun 1, 2022 9:51:00 GMT -5
God. DAMN Episode 3 was freaking incredible. Things I was sure I’d NEVER see on screen (or anywhere else except maybe in comics).
I got into Star Wars way late (mid-90s) but the last 10 years have really reminded me what it felt like to be new to the franchise and totally absorbed in whatever new stuff I saw.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 11:19:07 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}They made Vader terrifying again. The cat-and-mouse chase felt like watching something out of a horror movie.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 1, 2022 12:02:41 GMT -5
So yay, something else to get tribal about. (as I am sure there's types that will argue against common sense, say that they're just playing the card, or trying to cancel the fans or something. Oh better yet..."But you bullied Gina out of her job!!" or some Whataboutism like that)
NO ONE should let what they believe in come to this. No one should be harassed or bullied.
People complain about getting politics and social issues in our entertainment. No. Viewers more often than not put it in there when it has nothing to do with the show and its content. (yes there's some shows now who get obnoxiously one sided one way or another. Not the point here...)
If I am understanding this right, fans don't like her character and are thusly trying to hit her where it hurts? Or is this typical paper thin woke=broke cries?
Like I said what Hayden, Ahmed, et al went through and suffered was in vain, as like with a LOT of things, it happens, we're mad/shake our head, then life goes on until SW fans act like jerkwads again. Such is all cyberbullying and all bullying in general. Doesn't matter who suffers or even loses their lives. We just get sad for a bit then rinse and repeat.
I hope we can get back to enjoying this series for what it is despite this blot on it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 1, 2022 12:17:40 GMT -5
I reject saying that "Star Wars fans" are responsible for these incidents of harassment as if the fans are a monolith and as if this harassment represents any significant percentage of Star Wars fans.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 1, 2022 12:59:21 GMT -5
They are not Star Wars fans. They are racists who use popular franchises to boost their own profile and cred among other bigots. They latch onto these well known franchises because it gives them more publicity.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 1, 2022 13:14:20 GMT -5
I'm still confused as to what exactly Moses Ingram did that upset these people so much? I mean, I hate the way Kelly Marie Tran was treated, but at least I can understand the criticism of her character (she was kind of a bland character to take up so much screen time) beyond racists reason. What did Moses do? She's just playing a villain as written and doing it well. Usually these a-holes have some (flimsy) justification for these attacks beyond "I'm tired of these <<insert racial or sexual slur>> in my geek stories!".
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 1, 2022 13:23:59 GMT -5
They are not Star Wars fans. They are racists who use popular franchises to boost their own profile and cred among other bigots. They latch onto these well known franchises because it gives them more publicity. Like movies. And...real estate companies ;-)
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 13:29:01 GMT -5
I'm still confused as to what exactly Moses Ingram did that upset these people so much? I mean, I hate the way Kelly Marie Tran was treated, but at least I can understand the criticism of her character (she was kind of a bland character to take up so much screen time) beyond racists reason. What did Moses do? She's just playing a villain as written and doing it well. Usually these a-holes have some (flimsy) justification for these attacks beyond "I'm tired of these <<insert racial or sexual slur>> in my geek stories!". The "justifications" tend to fall into two categories: "She's a terrible actor." "She's only in this because of forced diversity."
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