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Post by y4j1981 on May 25, 2018 13:21:16 GMT -5
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Post by Chestnutrice on May 25, 2018 14:54:05 GMT -5
People have ran with this "Goldberg got injured after the streak" story that Nash has thrown out there, even though that wasn't the case. Goldberg went through Hall, then they just put him against Bigelow. A month later, Hogan turned face, and Nash shortly after.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 25, 2018 15:55:12 GMT -5
People have ran with this "Goldberg got injured after the streak" story that Nash has thrown out there, even though that wasn't the case. Goldberg went through Hall, then they just put him against Bigelow. A month later, Hogan turned face, and Nash shortly after. Well Bam Bam was expected being he been attacking Goldberg since Nov. before the match with Nash was even made. The story would been more believable had he said Goldberg went down with a knee injury. That did happen. So did Hogan. Booking wise for Goldberg was fine, but Hogan going down didn't help. Time line Sold Out Goldberg went through Hall (Revenge from the Taser), Next takes cares of Bam Bam at Super Brawl (Who been attacking him since before WW3) WCW shouldn't have done the mask deal with Rey because then is where the booking goes to shit Uncensored for some odd reason no match (Nash is facing Rey after Rey fluked pin him on Nitro, Should have been Goldberg vs. Nash than but Flair wins the title( In that confusing cage win and Flair while should gotten the win yes but the title should stayed with Hogan for the Goldberg over all angle to make sense), Next Spring Stampede Revenge win over Nash (Makes sense but should have been a month sooner and Goldberg instead of the returning Sting in the four way.) Than we have Slamberee were Goldberg faces Sting in a random match (It should been the title match), Nash turns face to face DDP who turns full heel, and this is went Goldberg is last seen before his knee injury. So by the time Goldberg returns Hogan back from his injury as champion as a face full Hulkamania. Nash has his "retirement" and well than Russo comes in.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 25, 2018 23:11:33 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone watched Virgil's documentary but that shit was beyond delusional.
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Post by dav on May 26, 2018 5:36:17 GMT -5
Obviously Bulldog was the most over in the UK, but Bret was definitely 2nd. So it's not that ridiculous a claim to make in my opinion, even if it is untrue. Bret was hugely over all across Europe. I think it's the benefit of hindsight. Vince McMahon saw that match as the trigger to give Bret Hart the top spot in the company, whereas Bulldog did nothing of note since then. It's not unreasonable for Bret to think he was more over than Bulldog at the time. Bulldog did have a good, steady career from that point on with several main event runs. Hardly a nothing of note career. And Bulldog was the one headlining the tours in the country at that time over people like Savage and Flair. The major event of 1991 (Battle Royal in The Albert Hall) didn't even feature Bret at all. He wasn't close to Davey Boy's popularity in the country, at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 7:06:21 GMT -5
Vince saying basically anything in a shoot is somewhat dubious, but his claims of his family being threatened by various people strike be as particularly exaggerated. Nothing against Greg Gagne, but the guy has constantly spun some pretty tall tales about his dad and the AWA over the years. Black Bart had an infamous shoot interview with so much bulls*** spewed, but nothing will top his claim that Fox wanted to make a sitcom with the Desperado's, and that WCW turned it down because they thought the team were too low on the totem pole to get their own show. Wasn't it Greg who claimed the Gagnes invented MMA? Yes he did. Greg created the nWo, also. I like the guy, I think he's unfairly dumped on. But Greg could tell some whoppers.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 7:49:35 GMT -5
Wasn't it Greg who claimed the Gagnes invented MMA? Yes he did. Greg created the nWo, also. I like the guy, I think he's unfairly dumped on. But Greg could tell some whoppers. Oh Greg takes flack for his ring work that isn't deserved, he was a good tag hand, feeding the hit tag for Jim Brunzell, just pushed too hard at times. And then he's utterly delusional at times.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 26, 2018 9:20:48 GMT -5
Greg got pushed hard for the same reason Larry Z did, the WWE were bleeding them dry and Verne needed guys who weren't going to bolt the moment Vince glances their way.
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Post by evilone on May 26, 2018 9:28:05 GMT -5
You know what they say the best story is the one that's based on reality and facts with a splash of fantasy. No one tells stories like these better than Bruce Prichard who always comes up with some hot new info from 30 years ago. He would tell you the angle like it was then he would spice it up with some of his own BS and everybody be like ohhh damn so that's what it was. Which it wasn't, it was just Bruce BSing all over the interviews for sake of getting more interviews.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 26, 2018 9:43:23 GMT -5
I think it's the benefit of hindsight. Vince McMahon saw that match as the trigger to give Bret Hart the top spot in the company, whereas Bulldog did nothing of note since then. It's not unreasonable for Bret to think he was more over than Bulldog at the time. Bulldog did have a good, steady career from that point on with several main event runs. Hardly a nothing of note career. And Bulldog was the one headlining the tours in the country at that time over people like Savage and Flair. The major event of 1991 (Battle Royal in The Albert Hall) didn't even feature Bret at all. He wasn't close to Davey Boy's popularity in the country, at all. Sorry, I meant he didn't do anything of note since Wembley until about his 95 heel turn.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on May 26, 2018 11:36:48 GMT -5
Didn't Tito Santana say he was up for the WWF title in 1992 or so? Not exactly BS, and certainly not ridiculous when you consider how over Tito used to be during the mid-1980s. He and Bret both had periods after their tag title runs where they'd kinda spun their wheels. But Bret was also younger, had the hot streak heading out of Summerslam 1992 and also had certain intangibles on his side - namely, his connections to Stampede gave him connections also to both Europe and Japan, two markets into which Vince saw a lot of money to be made reasonably easily and without much pushback from any promotions there. Tito may have gotten Mexico and Puerto Rico onside, but both would have been tricky for making inroads, and Tito was seen as too old by then to carry the company anyway. There might have been others, but Bret had a credible look tailor-made for the post-steroid scandal (attractive and fit without being overly muscular), was always reliable and could be counted on to carry a match with just about anyone. The steroid scandal was also why Vince may have opted not to go with Randy Savage. Funny timing on this one. The question was just asked on STW yesterday about other names considered to be possible champions in 92, and the first guy Bruce mentioned was Tito Santana.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 26, 2018 17:57:42 GMT -5
Not exactly BS, and certainly not ridiculous when you consider how over Tito used to be during the mid-1980s. He and Bret both had periods after their tag title runs where they'd kinda spun their wheels. But Bret was also younger, had the hot streak heading out of Summerslam 1992 and also had certain intangibles on his side - namely, his connections to Stampede gave him connections also to both Europe and Japan, two markets into which Vince saw a lot of money to be made reasonably easily and without much pushback from any promotions there. Tito may have gotten Mexico and Puerto Rico onside, but both would have been tricky for making inroads, and Tito was seen as too old by then to carry the company anyway. There might have been others, but Bret had a credible look tailor-made for the post-steroid scandal (attractive and fit without being overly muscular), was always reliable and could be counted on to carry a match with just about anyone. The steroid scandal was also why Vince may have opted not to go with Randy Savage. Funny timing on this one. The question was just asked on STW yesterday about other names considered to be possible champions in 92, and the first guy Bruce mentioned was Tito Santana. Tito’s strength was also his problem. Good, over, solid worker. You need Tito on your roster. Makes all your guys look great. Unfortunately those guys don’t get to be champion. It’s the same reason DiBiase and Perfect weren’t world title material, just on the heel side. Only real difference is, Tito would need a ton of rehab on his character at the time. Hell, even as a kid when they mentioned Tito’s passed title reigns, it seemed like a million years ago, even though it was like 4 years.
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Post by dav on May 26, 2018 18:13:34 GMT -5
Bulldog did have a good, steady career from that point on with several main event runs. Hardly a nothing of note career. And Bulldog was the one headlining the tours in the country at that time over people like Savage and Flair. The major event of 1991 (Battle Royal in The Albert Hall) didn't even feature Bret at all. He wasn't close to Davey Boy's popularity in the country, at all. Sorry, I meant he didn't do anything of note since Wembley until about his 95 heel turn. His run in WCW wasn't too bad. Had a main event stint with a fun feud with Vader and was one of the few people to never betray Sting after teaming up with him.
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Post by somsta on May 26, 2018 18:36:54 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant he didn't do anything of note since Wembley until about his 95 heel turn. His run in WCW wasn't too bad. Had a main event stint with a fun feud with Vader and was one of the few people to never betray Sting after teaming up with him. I now believe that Davey Boy spent the next two years watching people betray Sting and realizing that he should have, until the frustration built up and he took it out on Diesel.
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 26, 2018 19:58:30 GMT -5
Not a shoot, and not even a wrestler...but the casting lady in Beyond the Mat that said she saw New Jack as "Not Denzel, but Denzel's friend"
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Post by TGM on May 26, 2018 21:02:44 GMT -5
Davey was the most over person at Summerslam 92 no question. There's a weird mentality that we Brits have (especially us Welsh) that we all hate the people from the next town over, but we're united whenever we have a national hero.
Content: Chris Jericho in an interview about Stone Cold / Attitude Era: "even people that didn't watch wrestling knew what a Steveweiser was." Hulk Hogan school of shoot interview.
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Post by efarns on May 26, 2018 21:16:23 GMT -5
Kevin Nash has this clever way of acknowledging facts while denying anyone else's conclusion based on those facts.
The most recent example I saw was him justifying his destroying TNA's X Division. He acknowledges nobody liked it. He acknowle1dges he couldn't work good matches with them. He acknowledges he didn't put anyone over. Yet, he still thinks the criticism is unwarranted. He would beat all those guys "if it was a shoot."
Hey Kevin, if it was a shoot, you wouldn't have been in any kind of ring with people 100 lbs. lighter than you, and you'd have been suspended and/or disqualified from competition the first time you interfered.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 26, 2018 21:22:30 GMT -5
Kevin Nash has this clever way of acknowledging facts while denying anyone else's conclusion based on those facts. The most recent example I saw was him justifying his destroying TNA's X Division. He acknowledges nobody liked it. He acknowle1dges he couldn't work good matches with them. He acknowledges he didn't put anyone over. Yet, he still thinks the criticism is unwarranted. He would beat all those guys "if it was a shoot." Hey Kevin, if it was a shoot, you wouldn't have been in any kind of ring with people 100 lbs. lighter than you, and you'd have been suspended and/or disqualified from competition the first time you interfered. Also, if it was a shoot, any of those way faster, 20+ year younger guys would spend about five minutes kicking his knees into powder before going to town on him, so I'd argue that he doesn't even have an argument there.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 26, 2018 21:32:20 GMT -5
Kevin Nash has this clever way of acknowledging facts while denying anyone else's conclusion based on those facts. The most recent example I saw was him justifying his destroying TNA's X Division. He acknowledges nobody liked it. He acknowle1dges he couldn't work good matches with them. He acknowledges he didn't put anyone over. Yet, he still thinks the criticism is unwarranted. He would beat all those guys "if it was a shoot." Hey Kevin, if it was a shoot, you wouldn't have been in any kind of ring with people 100 lbs. lighter than you, and you'd have been suspended and/or disqualified from competition the first time you interfered. Also, if it was a shoot, any of those way faster, 20+ year younger guys would spend about five minutes kicking his knees into powder before going to town on him, so I'd argue that he doesn't even have an argument there. I misread that as "going down on him", and I mean, make love not war, I guess, whatever helps them settle their differences.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:08:42 GMT -5
Funny timing on this one. The question was just asked on STW yesterday about other names considered to be possible champions in 92, and the first guy Bruce mentioned was Tito Santana. Tito’s strength was also his problem. Good, over, solid worker. You need Tito on your roster. Makes all your guys look great. Unfortunately those guys don’t get to be champion. It’s the same reason DiBiase and Perfect weren’t world title material, just on the heel side. Only real difference is, Tito would need a ton of rehab on his character at the time. Hell, even as a kid when they mentioned Tito’s passed title reigns, it seemed like a million years ago, even though it was like 4 years. You explained that in the best way. We aren't saying it was a stretch Tito could be champion; it was just going to take some work. Look at what's been done to Natalya. Reputation can be rebuilt.
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