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Post by tenshi on Jun 18, 2018 14:08:10 GMT -5
I think some people don't understand how Alexa has been dominating this division. Just read this. That. Is. Crazy. That's the same kind of stranglehold Triple H had on the title during The Reign of Terror. And to think that many people out there say that Roman Reigns is booked too strong... I'm not defending Roman nor his booking but this gives you a lot to think about. The worst part of this is that there were plenty of options to make things interesting: 1. Ruby Riott could've been part of the match and be a threat to Nia's reign, using her strength in numbers to counter Nia's size and power. 2. Ember Moon shows up to the main roster and wins the MITB briefcase, quickly becoming a force in the division and posing a problem to Nia: Can Nia avoid getting hit with Ember's Eclipse or will the new challenger find a way to hit them killing move on the giant champion? 3. Nattie fakes her knee injury and steals the title, quoting a lack of respect from the division towards her and being overshadowed by the new girls like Alexa, Nia, Ember and Ronda. 4. Charlotte wins the briefcase and goes on a hunt to get revenge on Carmella, dealing with Ellsworth and Asuka as well as growing more cocky and vindictive along the way. 5. Becky wins the MITB briefcase and her friendship with Charlotte begins to decay with Charlotte growing more jealous at the fact that Becky has the chance to get the title off Carmella instead of her, making her resent Becky and possibly fighting her over the briefcase. There. Those are 5 options that could've been picked over going back to Alexa being champion. They might be flawed but at least it would've been something different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:13:33 GMT -5
Triple H lost to Benoit and didn't get his comeuppance against him during his Reign of Terror. Actually, he did. They had a match on Raw in the build up to WM 21 where HHH won with a low blow and Pedigree. It happened one year to the day after the WM 20 match.Oh, so you're saying that Trips couldn't get the job done against Benoit and they had feuds, angles and matches with others before they wrestled each other again an entire year later.
Ok.
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Post by Facetious on Jun 18, 2018 14:17:40 GMT -5
I think some people don't understand how Alexa has been dominating this division. Just read this. That. Is. Crazy. That's the same kind of stranglehold Triple H had on the title during The Reign of Terror. And to think that many people out there say that Roman Reigns is booked too strong... I'm not defending Roman nor his booking but this gives you a lot to think about. The worst part of this is that there were plenty of options to make things interesting: 1. Ruby Riott could've been part of the match and be a threat to Nia's reign, using her strength in numbers to counter Nia's size and power. 2. Ember Moon shows up to the main roster and wins the MITB briefcase, quickly becoming a force in the division and posing a problem to Nia: Can Nia avoid getting hit with Ember's Eclipse or will the new challenger find a way to hit them killing move on the giant champion? 3. Nattie fakes her knee injury and steals the title, quoting a lack of respect from the division towards her and being overshadowed by the new girls like Alexa, Nia, Ember and Ronda. 4. Charlotte wins the briefcase and goes on a hunt to get revenge on Carmella, dealing with Ellsworth and Asuka as well as growing more cocky and vindictive along the way. 5. Becky wins the MITB briefcase and her friendship with Charlotte begins to decay with Charlotte growing more jealous at the fact that Becky has the chance to get the title off Carmella instead of her, making her resent Becky and possibly fighting her over the briefcase. There. Those are 5 options that could've been picked over going back to Alexa being champion. They might be flawed but at least it would've been something different. Shit, Sasha could have won it and finally turned heel! And with all this talk about the Four Horsewomen vs the MMA ones, this could have easily been the first chapter. Instead we have Nia turning face again WEEKS after turning heel to become Alexa's bitch until Rousey is ready to take it off of her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:22:51 GMT -5
She either has the Funaki/JTG pictures or someone backstage is enamored with her....maybe both.
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Post by cjh on Jun 18, 2018 14:25:55 GMT -5
Actually, he did. They had a match on Raw in the build up to WM 21 where HHH won with a low blow and Pedigree. It happened one year to the day after the WM 20 match.Oh, so you're saying that Trips couldn't get the job done against Benoit and they had feuds, angles and matches with others before they wrestled each other again an entire year later.
Ok.
They also showed the footage of WM 20 and presented the match as HHH wanting redemption for that loss.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2018 14:29:18 GMT -5
And to think that many people out there say that Roman Reigns is booked too strong... I'm not defending Roman nor his booking but this gives you a lot to think about. The worst part of this is that there were plenty of options to make things interesting: 1. Ruby Riott could've been part of the match and be a threat to Nia's reign, using her strength in numbers to counter Nia's size and power. 2. Ember Moon shows up to the main roster and wins the MITB briefcase, quickly becoming a force in the division and posing a problem to Nia: Can Nia avoid getting hit with Ember's Eclipse or will the new challenger find a way to hit them killing move on the giant champion? 3. Nattie fakes her knee injury and steals the title, quoting a lack of respect from the division towards her and being overshadowed by the new girls like Alexa, Nia, Ember and Ronda. 4. Charlotte wins the briefcase and goes on a hunt to get revenge on Carmella, dealing with Ellsworth and Asuka as well as growing more cocky and vindictive along the way. 5. Becky wins the MITB briefcase and her friendship with Charlotte begins to decay with Charlotte growing more jealous at the fact that Becky has the chance to get the title off Carmella instead of her, making her resent Becky and possibly fighting her over the briefcase. There. Those are 5 options that could've been picked over going back to Alexa being champion. They might be flawed but at least it would've been something different. Shit, Sasha could have won it and finally turned heel! And with all this talk about the Four Horsewomen vs the MMA ones, this could have easily been the first chapter. Instead we have Nia turning face again WEEKS after turning heel to become Alexa's bitch until Rousey is ready to take it off of her. Pfft they still need to draw out the epic Sasha vs. Bayley feud for atl east 6 more years before she'll turn ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) As I said in... a thread... amybe this one I don't know. I do wonder if the WWE changed it from Nattie as the entire build up was for Nattie to do the same thing... and then they realized that either A. Nattie is actually injured (as she didn't do much in the ladder match from what I remember either) B. to swerve the smarks C. they realized Nattie isn't over enough to get a reaction for cashing in. also I don't see how Charlotte winning the briefcase is any better... she's even mroe decorated than Alexa is... we'd be in this same spot only the names would be changed.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jun 18, 2018 14:29:58 GMT -5
Sigh. I was dumb enough to get my hopes up that the WWE might finally push Becky, with the various social media things she's done over the last couple of weeks. And I thought they might give Rusev a big win, to capitalise on his ridiculous popularity. Of course neither of those things happened. Instead, we just get Bliss as champion, again, and Strowman as number one contender, again. And that, along with Sami being wasted and the WWE still trying to devote time to Reigns, has had me cancel my Network subscription. I don't watch the weekly programming anyway (and don't live in the US, so it wouldn't matter if I did), but at least I can know I'm not giving the WWE any of my money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:30:25 GMT -5
Oh, so you're saying that Trips couldn't get the job done against Benoit and they had feuds, angles and matches with others before they wrestled each other again an entire year later.
Ok.
They also showed the footage of WM 20 and presented the match as HHH wanting redemption for that loss. So you're saying the feud was completely over and after feuding with everyone else they said "hey let's bring this back as a callback to their previous feud and give HHH the win now" as in a "hey this wasn't in the plans a year ago but we're bringing it back now" type of situation. I get it.
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Post by cjh on Jun 18, 2018 15:08:10 GMT -5
They also showed the footage of WM 20 and presented the match as HHH wanting redemption for that loss. So you're saying the feud was completely over and after feuding with everyone else they said "hey let's bring this back as a callback to their previous feud and give HHH the win now" as in a "hey this wasn't in the plans a year ago but we're bringing it back now" type of situation. I get it. I don't really see how it's not revenge when it was presented as exactly that, but getting back to the subject, when HHH was getting ready to face Batista at WM 21, he beat Benoit. That's the difference between 2002-05 HHH and Alexa today. If they booked HHH back then like they do Alexa, Benoit would have won that 2005 Raw match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 15:16:23 GMT -5
Actually, he did. They had a match on Raw in the build up to WM 21 where HHH won with a low blow and Pedigree. It happened one year to the day after the WM 20 match.Oh, so you're saying that Trips couldn't get the job done against Benoit and they had feuds, angles and matches with others before they wrestled each other again an entire year later.
Ok.
Also, the last time they fought was the first round of the Gold Rush Tournament where Batista made sure Triple H lost.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2018 15:24:51 GMT -5
I think some people don't understand how Alexa has been dominating this division. Just read this. That. Is. Crazy. That's the same kind of stranglehold Triple H had on the title during The Reign of Terror. And to think that many people out there say that Roman Reigns is booked too strong... I'm not defending Roman nor his booking but this gives you a lot to think about. The worst part of this is that there were plenty of options to make things interesting: 1. Ruby Riott could've been part of the match and be a threat to Nia's reign, using her strength in numbers to counter Nia's size and power. 2. Ember Moon shows up to the main roster and wins the MITB briefcase, quickly becoming a force in the division and posing a problem to Nia: Can Nia avoid getting hit with Ember's Eclipse or will the new challenger find a way to hit them killing move on the giant champion? 3. Nattie fakes her knee injury and steals the title, quoting a lack of respect from the division towards her and being overshadowed by the new girls like Alexa, Nia, Ember and Ronda. 4. Charlotte wins the briefcase and goes on a hunt to get revenge on Carmella, dealing with Ellsworth and Asuka as well as growing more cocky and vindictive along the way. 5. Becky wins the MITB briefcase and her friendship with Charlotte begins to decay with Charlotte growing more jealous at the fact that Becky has the chance to get the title off Carmella instead of her, making her resent Becky and possibly fighting her over the briefcase. There. Those are 5 options that could've been picked over going back to Alexa being champion. They might be flawed but at least it would've been something different. The point was to interfere in the Nia vs Ronda match so they didnt give her the title in her second match and also not lose. And have the cashin so they don't get pigeonholed storyline wise like they did Carmela That's a raw match so all Smackdown contenders out. That is a heel move so that's all the faces out. That leaves one of your options and the wwe clearly decided not to use Natty for it for some reason.
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Post by Doctor No on Jun 18, 2018 15:37:58 GMT -5
I want them to change her music to her own a cappella version of Reign's "Doo doot, doo doot..." Taker's old "You're Gonna Pay" theme is more fitting at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 15:50:56 GMT -5
So you're saying the feud was completely over and after feuding with everyone else they said "hey let's bring this back as a callback to their previous feud and give HHH the win now" as in a "hey this wasn't in the plans a year ago but we're bringing it back now" type of situation. I get it. I don't really see how it's not revenge when it was presented as exactly that, but getting back to the subject, when HHH was getting ready to face Batista at WM 21, he beat Benoit. That's the difference between 2002-05 HHH and Alexa today. If they booked HHH back then like they do Alexa, Benoit would have won that 2005 Raw match. The difference is Benoit won the feud and HHH did other things afterwards which is supposed to happen. HHH lost the feud. It's like a yearly tournament. One person wins the whole thing and even if the guy beats him a year later in that same tournament that doesn't mean the guy who won a year prior didn't win their first "feud." The fact they did other things in between just furthermore pushes the idea that Benoit won the feud unlike in most situations with the Reign of Terror where Triple H always kept a leash on whenever he lost to someone most times so it's as if when he did lose, it didn't matter. That's the same reason why people thought he had a mega-long reign when he lost a good amount of times. You're not going to tell me that Ambrose was the one on top in that Rollins feuds for years even after Rollins beat him numerous times in matches including that HITC, ladder matches and etc simply because Ambrose cashed in on Rollins and took the title and beat him at Battleground. It's multiple feuds in this thing and different people win different portions. Going by your logic, Ambrose's win is the only one that matters even though he lost like 3449 times to Rollins.
Title and program-wise, if they booked Alexa like HHH during the Reign of Terror then Alexa would actually be away from the title scene longer than she is now. We can use actual stats to prove this.
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Post by Shark on Jun 18, 2018 16:09:02 GMT -5
I am not going to deny that Alexa is over with the crowd. She got a big pop for her entrance last night and for her win. But I think people are hanging onto her pop for cashing in as a sign it was the right move. MITB cash ins are always going to get a huge pop. They always have, they always will. It's not the person being cheered for, it's what's about to happen. Carmella's not the most over woman even on her own brand, but she got a huge pop when she cashed in. Sandow got a pop. Corbn got a pop. It's not a good barometer for judging someone's overness.
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Post by cjh on Jun 18, 2018 16:10:56 GMT -5
I don't really see how it's not revenge when it was presented as exactly that, but getting back to the subject, when HHH was getting ready to face Batista at WM 21, he beat Benoit. That's the difference between 2002-05 HHH and Alexa today. If they booked HHH back then like they do Alexa, Benoit would have won that 2005 Raw match. The difference is Benoit won the feud and HHH did other things afterwards which is supposed to happen. HHH lost the feud. It's like a yearly tournament. One person wins the whole thing and even if the guy beats him a year later in that same tournament that doesn't mean the guy who won a year prior didn't win their first "feud." The fact they did other things in between just furthermore pushes the idea that Benoit won the feud unlike in most situations with the Reign of Terror where Triple H always kept a leash on whenever he lost to someone most times so it's as if when he did lose, it didn't matter. That's the same reason why people thought he had a mega-long reign when he lost a good amount of times. You're not going to tell me that Ambrose was the one on top in that Rollins feuds for years even after Rollins beat him numerous times in matches including that HITC, ladder matches and etc simply because Ambrose cashed in on Rollins and took the title and beat him at Battleground. It's multiple feuds in this thing and different people win different portions. Going by your logic, Ambrose's win is the only one that matters even though he lost like 3449 times to Rollins.
Title and program-wise, if they booked Alexa like HHH during the Reign of Terror then Alexa would actually be away from the title scene longer than she is now. We can use actual stats to prove this. I'm talking about things like losing matches as the champion to wrestler B while in a program with wrestler A, especially when it doesn't lead to an angle with wrestler B. 2002-05 HHH and Alexa today can't be compared because they would never throw World champion HHH out on Raw to do a clean loss just for the hell of it the way they're more than willing to do that with Alexa. If they booked 2005 HHH like they do Alexa, he would have tapped to Benoit and/or Jericho and gotten pinned clean by Shelton on Raw in non-title or tag matches before losing to Batista at Mania.
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Post by Doctor No on Jun 18, 2018 16:14:37 GMT -5
I am not going to deny that Alexa is over with the crowd. She got a big pop for her entrance last night and for her win. But I think people are hanging onto her pop for cashing in as a sign it was the right move. MITB cash ins are always going to get a huge pop. They always have, they always will. It's not the person being cheered for, it's what's about to happen. Carmella's not the most over woman even on her own brand, but she got a huge pop when she cashed in. Sandow got a pop. Corbn got a pop. It's not a good barometer for judging someone's overness. Good point, along with her wrecking two people the crowd might not have been the most behind, especially Nia.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Jun 18, 2018 16:29:37 GMT -5
Her and Braun are the new power couple it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 16:40:03 GMT -5
The difference is Benoit won the feud and HHH did other things afterwards which is supposed to happen. HHH lost the feud. It's like a yearly tournament. One person wins the whole thing and even if the guy beats him a year later in that same tournament that doesn't mean the guy who won a year prior didn't win their first "feud." The fact they did other things in between just furthermore pushes the idea that Benoit won the feud unlike in most situations with the Reign of Terror where Triple H always kept a leash on whenever he lost to someone most times so it's as if when he did lose, it didn't matter. That's the same reason why people thought he had a mega-long reign when he lost a good amount of times. You're not going to tell me that Ambrose was the one on top in that Rollins feuds for years even after Rollins beat him numerous times in matches including that HITC, ladder matches and etc simply because Ambrose cashed in on Rollins and took the title and beat him at Battleground. It's multiple feuds in this thing and different people win different portions. Going by your logic, Ambrose's win is the only one that matters even though he lost like 3449 times to Rollins.
Title and program-wise, if they booked Alexa like HHH during the Reign of Terror then Alexa would actually be away from the title scene longer than she is now. We can use actual stats to prove this. I'm talking about things like losing matches as the champion to wrestler B while in a program with wrestler A, especially when it doesn't lead to an angle with wrestler B. 2002-05 HHH and Alexa today can't be compared because they would never throw World champion HHH out on Raw to do a clean loss just for the hell of it the way they're more than willing to do that with Alexa. If they booked 2005 HHH like they do Alexa, he would have tapped to Benoit and/or Jericho and gotten pinned clean by Shelton on Raw in non-title or tag matches before losing to Batista at Mania. We're talking about Alexa being world champion, how long she's held a belt and how many people actually looked better coming out against her than they did prior. We're not talking about "well Alexa lost a random Raw match" like when she lost to Ember Moon hence why I'm speaking on the amount of times they've held the belt, how many times she's in a title picture and etc. We're not talking about Alexa losing as champion if she doesn't lose the belt along in the process.
My point stands, we can use actual stats to show that Alexa's held a worse grip than Reign of Terror Trips from those years he held the belt and afterwards. That's what this thread is about.
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Post by cjh on Jun 18, 2018 17:19:26 GMT -5
I'm talking about things like losing matches as the champion to wrestler B while in a program with wrestler A, especially when it doesn't lead to an angle with wrestler B. 2002-05 HHH and Alexa today can't be compared because they would never throw World champion HHH out on Raw to do a clean loss just for the hell of it the way they're more than willing to do that with Alexa. If they booked 2005 HHH like they do Alexa, he would have tapped to Benoit and/or Jericho and gotten pinned clean by Shelton on Raw in non-title or tag matches before losing to Batista at Mania. We're talking about Alexa being world champion, how long she's held a belt and how many people actually looked better coming out against her than they did prior. We're not talking about "well Alexa lost a random Raw match" like when she lost to Ember Moon hence why I'm speaking on the amount of times they've held the belt, how many times she's in a title picture and etc. We're not talking about Alexa losing as champion if she doesn't lose the belt along in the process.
My point stands, we can use actual stats to show that Alexa's held a worse grip than Reign of Terror Trips from those years he held the belt and afterwards. That's what this thread is about.
HHH's "Reign of Terror" was not just a matter of him being in the title picture a lot. It was also things like setting up his title feud with Kevin Nash by having him pin Nash in a tag match instead of the reverse like would normally happen. Alexa is not booked that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 17:24:47 GMT -5
We're talking about Alexa being world champion, how long she's held a belt and how many people actually looked better coming out against her than they did prior. We're not talking about "well Alexa lost a random Raw match" like when she lost to Ember Moon hence why I'm speaking on the amount of times they've held the belt, how many times she's in a title picture and etc. We're not talking about Alexa losing as champion if she doesn't lose the belt along in the process.
My point stands, we can use actual stats to show that Alexa's held a worse grip than Reign of Terror Trips from those years he held the belt and afterwards. That's what this thread is about.
HHH's "Reign of Terror" was not just a matter of him being in the title picture a lot. It was also things like setting up his title feud with Kevin Nash by having him pin Nash in a tag match instead of the reverse like would normally happen. Alexa is not booked that way. We're talking about Trips being the champion and being in the world title feud. If you're not talking about that, you're not talking about the same thing this thread's talking about in relation to Alexa. You're off topic.
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