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Post by The Wild Man of Borneo on Sept 18, 2019 12:55:11 GMT -5
This current kick DC's been on with letting the filmmakers do their own thing seemed like a good idea on paper. They've done really good so far, and Joker looks to be another hit. But sooner or later, someone is just going to go too far with it.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 18, 2019 13:09:46 GMT -5
This current kick DC's been on with letting the filmmakers do their own thing seemed like a good idea on paper. They've done really good so far, and Joker looks to be another hit. But sooner or later, someone is just going to go too far with it. I don't want to derail the thread with Joker stuff, but this past week Todd Phillips did two interviews. In the first, he said that Joaquin Phoenix actually groaned and winced at having to say "Wayne" and "Gotham". In the second from yesterday, he admitted that the movie could just be called "Arthur", but he wanted to rip apart a known comic property instead. So, it might be a good movie, but it still sounds like they're giving way too much freedom to directors, for better or worse.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Sept 18, 2019 14:41:02 GMT -5
This looks bad enough that I'm now considering the possibility of seeing it at the cinema.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Sept 20, 2019 2:21:22 GMT -5
Well, they're doubling down on the kooky... Oh look, the Huntress! 😍😍😍
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 20, 2019 3:10:44 GMT -5
This current kick DC's been on with letting the filmmakers do their own thing seemed like a good idea on paper. They've done really good so far, and Joker looks to be another hit. But sooner or later, someone is just going to go too far with it. I don't want to derail the thread with Joker stuff, but this past week Todd Phillips did two interviews. In the first, he said that Joaquin Phoenix actually groaned and winced at having to say "Wayne" and "Gotham". In the second from yesterday, he admitted that the movie could just be called "Arthur", but he wanted to rip apart a known comic property instead. So, it might be a good movie, but it still sounds like they're giving way too much freedom to directors, for better or worse. I mean, why not? The other way sure as heck wasn't working and executives don't have the patience for the "Rome wasn't built of a day" method for the MCU. These characters have already had a thousand incarnations across all media, what's the worst that can possibly happen?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 20, 2019 3:53:17 GMT -5
I don't want to derail the thread with Joker stuff, but this past week Todd Phillips did two interviews. In the first, he said that Joaquin Phoenix actually groaned and winced at having to say "Wayne" and "Gotham". In the second from yesterday, he admitted that the movie could just be called "Arthur", but he wanted to rip apart a known comic property instead. So, it might be a good movie, but it still sounds like they're giving way too much freedom to directors, for better or worse. I mean, why not? The other way sure as heck wasn't working and executives don't have the patience for the "Rome wasn't built of a day" method for the MCU. These characters have already had a thousand incarnations across all media, what's the worst that can possibly happen? I just feel like there needs to be a line. After all, part of the reason Simon Kinberg had to do reshoots on Fant4stic is because Josh Trank's film had so little to do with the source material that Disney would have had grounds to legally persue Fox. WB doesn't have that worry because they own DC outright. Still, the fact that no one "leasing" DC characters could have gotten away with making Joker says it all, imo. When characters and worlds have been around so long, there are obviously going to be people crying for change. Change is good. The Flash TV show has changed a lot of stuff. As has Titans. Both great shows. But, there's still a familiarity with the characters and the world that I'm not sensing from the Harley or Joker movies. I mean, people got mad at the Harry Potter movies for the tiniest changes. Lord of the Rings too. Imagine those getting the Harley/Joker treatment. Basically, if you can't be passionate about making a film about these characters without just completely reinventing them, it's probably not a good fit. But, what do I know? I've just dumped 30 years of my life and tens of thousands of dollars into these characters.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 20, 2019 4:14:22 GMT -5
I mean, why not? The other way sure as heck wasn't working and executives don't have the patience for the "Rome wasn't built of a day" method for the MCU. These characters have already had a thousand incarnations across all media, what's the worst that can possibly happen? I just feel like there needs to be a line. After all, part of the reason Simon Kinberg had to do reshoots on Fant4stic is because Josh Trank's film had so little to do with the source material that Disney would have had grounds to legally persue Fox. WB doesn't have that worry because they own DC outright. Still, the fact that no one "leasing" DC characters could have gotten away with making Joker says it all, imo. When characters and worlds have been around so long, there are obviously going to be people crying for change. Change is good. The Flash TV show has changed a lot of stuff. As has Titans. Both great shows. But, there's still a familiarity with the characters and the world that I'm not sensing from the Harley or Joker movies. I mean, people got mad at the Harry Potter movies for the tiniest changes. Lord of the Rings too. Imagine those getting the Harley/Joker treatment. Basically, if you can't be passionate about making a film about these characters without just completely reinventing them, it's probably not a good fit. But, what do I know? I've just dumped 30 years of my life and tens of thousands of dollars into these characters. I mean, this doesn't even seem like a dramatic reinvention to me. It's just seeing these characters in a different way and keeping some beats about them. But also none of us have actually seen the film yet so who knows? Like, some of these characters have been around for 80 years and there are so many times you can go through the beats and the motions where it gets a bit tedious. The difference between that and Lord of the Rings is that LOTR didn't get a thousand stories told by them by different people across comics, animation, film, television and other mediums, Joker more so than Harley but still. There was only, what, two LOTR film before Peter Jackson did his? And both were highly condensed and didn't cover nearly as much or were given the care and attention he did? As I said in the Joker thread, if these characters are going to stay company properties for the next couple of decades at least (Disney said they won't try and lobby for an extension in copyright law but I see them changing their tune as the Mickey Mouse licence starts to expire), then people giving them a reinvention and making it a parallel universe will only help expand the lore rather than hurt any of the other stuff. I've invested money in this stuff too, but I also respect the fact that art and concepts should change and vision should be respected more than being set to strict rules or finding a line (outside of being offensive for the sake of it).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 20, 2019 4:24:46 GMT -5
The stories you know and like are still there. They always will be. A different version doesn't change that any more than a Spider-Man who had a giant transforming robot would have affected the Ditko stories.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 1, 2019 15:31:33 GMT -5
Official trailer:
Kind of feels like that first Suicide Squad trailer, before Trailer Park got ahold of it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 1, 2019 15:38:45 GMT -5
I literally have no idea what is going on in that trailer and I can't decide if that's a bad thing or good.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 25, 2020 17:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 25, 2020 18:36:23 GMT -5
The stories you know and like are still there. They always will be. A different version doesn't change that any more than a Spider-Man who had a giant transforming robot would have affected the Ditko stories. I personally like when movie adaptations take an idea and give it a new spin, even if it's a minor difference. I love seeing stuff get played out on the big screen as much as the next guy, but it really doesn't have to be a 1:1 transition from comic or book to movie. Then again, I'm the same fella who didn't mind the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3 so what do I know.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 25, 2020 18:44:33 GMT -5
They'll be Foreign Censor gay, ie: in a way that can be easily edited out for conservative international markets, or Dumbledore gay, which is never even mentioned, shown or implied in the film itself, but claimed afterwards, or Disney gay, which might consist of a brief look or glance but nothing more than that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 25, 2020 23:31:58 GMT -5
The stories you know and like are still there. They always will be. A different version doesn't change that any more than a Spider-Man who had a giant transforming robot would have affected the Ditko stories. I personally like when movie adaptations take an idea and give it a new spin, even if it's a minor difference. I love seeing stuff get played out on the big screen as much as the next guy, but it really doesn't have to be a 1:1 transition from comic or book to movie. Then again, I'm the same fella who didn't mind the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3 so what do I know. I too liked the Mandarin Twist.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 26, 2020 10:14:42 GMT -5
Judging by that photo, not just the characters.
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Post by mike1287 on Jan 26, 2020 11:45:08 GMT -5
How forward thinking to have your movie's two depraved murderers be gay for each other.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 26, 2020 14:47:21 GMT -5
How forward thinking to have your movie's two depraved murderers be gay for each other. I could see this ending horribly for all involved.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 28, 2020 1:01:15 GMT -5
How forward thinking to have your movie's two depraved murderers be gay for each other. Well, Renee Montoya is canonically lesbian, so... it evens out?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 28, 2020 10:23:55 GMT -5
Yeah, people are upset because they're obviously going the "gay but in a way that's easily edited for foreign markets" route that big movies are going these days.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 28, 2020 10:51:55 GMT -5
Yeah, people are upset because they're obviously going the "gay but in a way that's easily edited for foreign markets" route that big movies are going these days. Which is a steaming heap, especially stupid when they touted a same sex kiss in Rise of Skywalker, and then turns out to be a quick background moment that was easy to edit out so they could show it in China.
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