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Post by Hurbster on Feb 12, 2020 2:48:38 GMT -5
Cool, hope that's enough for the studio execs.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 12, 2020 2:53:04 GMT -5
I'll be honest I think that this movie being R Rated was a mistake... I know a bunch of younger girls that are big Harley fans that aren't able to see it.
Also it probably could have gotten a PG-13 without much editing.
Yeah, they want Harley to be their Deadpool... but like... it the movie doesn't have to be R because Deadpool was R. (And I've stated multiple times Deadpool doesn't need to be R to work either... the source material is almost entirely PG-13)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 5:01:08 GMT -5
I'm still inclined to call it a pretty bad opening even if the movie still ultimately turns a profit because of the circumstances of it. DC seems to be banking a lot on Harley as one of the big headliners of their movies, which combined with their tendency to throw everything out and start panicking in a desperate scramble to figure out what to do next any time anything goes wrong feels like this could lead to a gigantic shakeup.
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Post by Fade on Feb 12, 2020 11:58:14 GMT -5
I'm still inclined to call it a pretty bad opening even if the movie still ultimately turns a profit because of the circumstances of it. DC seems to be banking a lot on Harley as one of the big headliners of their movies, which combined with their tendency to throw everything out and start panicking in a desperate scramble to figure out what to do next any time anything goes wrong feels like this could lead to a gigantic shakeup.I doubt it. But they could learn from it. Plus I get the feeling Gunn will utilize her well in The Suicide Squad. But yeah, there’s no way this wasnt seen as a disappointing opening for the film.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 12:29:10 GMT -5
Worldwide the film has made its budget back and will profit. It’s fine. But because it’s not a smash hit people will push the narrative that it was a failure. The levels/amount of profit matters to these companies though. Making budget back is great, but even movies that do that can be considered flops and disappointments (by studios, and thus critics/movie nerds/viewers) because they didn't make enough back above that. It's dumb, but how these studios operate.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 12, 2020 12:43:24 GMT -5
Movies can be considered a disappointment not a flop if it makes a small profit. (Budget+marketing)
Well 'profit' movies officially make no profit. Thanks Hollywood accounting.
the hard part is calculating marketing. The standard is double budget. Other times it's much higher End Game, BVS and Amazing Spider-man 2 had higher marketing budgets cause they were expected to be billion dollar blockbusters.
I doubt expectations were that high for this.
Edit: I meant billion dollar expectations not that they had low expectations for the movie.
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 12, 2020 12:49:52 GMT -5
Saw it again today with friends, and liked it even more the second time. A lot of the twists are set up really well. Also noticed that Shad was in it this time.
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 12, 2020 14:29:15 GMT -5
Cool, hope that's enough for the studio execs. The big question is what the execs had in mind. If they were circumspect and pragmatic and happy making a bit of profit, should be fine. If they were hoping for a real hefty box office gross that they could hang a trilogy and/or other spin-offs on to, perhaps they won't be so thrilled. It's how Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Batman vs Superman both ended up disappointing the execs a great deal, despite making as much as they did. Awful lot of time, money and effort for not much in return. Although of course, still better than actually losing money. And that Birds got good reviews should also be a factor in its favour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 15:00:31 GMT -5
Yeah, they want Harley to be their Deadpool... but like... it the movie doesn't have to be R because Deadpool was R. (And I've stated multiple times Deadpool doesn't need to be R to work either... the source material is almost entirely PG-13) I watched the Once Upon a Deadpool cut of Deadpool 2. And I don't ever want to see the regular Deadpool 2 because what OUaD did was absolutely perfect. Still violent as hell, but restrained just enough (vulgarity has become such an abused art form over the last 2 decades - to me at least - that you are happy when it's largely absent).
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Post by chrom on Feb 12, 2020 16:04:24 GMT -5
Yeah, they want Harley to be their Deadpool... but like... it the movie doesn't have to be R because Deadpool was R. (And I've stated multiple times Deadpool doesn't need to be R to work either... the source material is almost entirely PG-13) I watched the Once Upon a Deadpool cut of Deadpool 2. And I don't ever want to see the regular Deadpool 2 because what OUaD did was absolutely perfect. Still violent as hell, but restrained just enough (vulgarity has become such an abused art form over the last 2 decades - to me at least - that you are happy when it's largely absent).Yeah, you don't need f bombs dropped every other sentence.
It was shocking when Austin would cuss up a storm. Nowadays like with the excessive nudity on Game of Thrones it's on the verge of cringe and just feels like its there to pad it out.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 12, 2020 19:44:31 GMT -5
Just got back from it. I liked it. Robbie, McGregor and Winstead were all great. Winstead isn't getting the love that Robbie and McGregor are, but I thought her Helena was a standout. {Spoiler}The accounts were never in the diamond, were they? They were in the car. They put a lot of focus on a toy car. The Bertinellis made sure that nobody saw it when Helena had it, Helena told Cassandra to not let it go, and they made it a point to have Cassandra give it back to her. The diamond was just a diamond, but the car held the money. Helena also funded the Birds of Prey, despite Harley and Cassandra having and pawning the diamond. It was all in the toy car.
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Post by ayumidah on Feb 12, 2020 23:56:28 GMT -5
Saw it again today with friends, and liked it even more the second time. A lot of the twists are set up really well. Also noticed that Shad was in it this time. Yeah I'm tempted to use a free ticket to watch it again, but I may wait until it's on DVD. I figure I'll enjoy it more on the second watch as well.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 13, 2020 23:50:10 GMT -5
Just got back a little while ago from seeing it, good stuff.
You could kind of tell they had a couple of goes through it in editing, but unlike previous hatchet jobs DC/WB did during the initial attempt at the DCEU this still managed to form an enjoyable, coherent whole. It was wild, colorful, and completely over the top while keeping some punk rock grit in its fingernails, I dig it.
And yes, McGregor is goddamned glorious here.
Definitely could've used a little more Huntress, though, hope we get more of her down the line.
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Post by Beebs is the Final Girl on Feb 14, 2020 0:51:02 GMT -5
I want to be Huntress in my next life.
Ewan McGregor was amazing. I didn't think he could be a creeper, but he definitely changed my mind.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 14, 2020 1:20:19 GMT -5
Ewan McGregor was amazing. I didn't think he could be a creeper, but he definitely changed my mind. Seeing someone as charming and affable as Ewan playing a villain is always weird. Right up there with Robin Williams in One Hour Photo and Insomnia.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Feb 14, 2020 1:56:14 GMT -5
Yeah, saw it earlier tonight and had a fun time. *THUMBS UP*
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Post by Beebs is the Final Girl on Feb 14, 2020 2:56:47 GMT -5
Ewan McGregor was amazing. I didn't think he could be a creeper, but he definitely changed my mind. Seeing someone as charming and affable as Ewan playing a villain is always weird. Right up there with Robin Williams in One Hour Photo and Insomnia. Robin Williams was a different kind of villain. He legit creeped me out.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 18, 2020 15:36:38 GMT -5
Just seen it. Was good but trying too hard to be Deadpool?
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Post by Scoops on Feb 19, 2020 2:20:32 GMT -5
Just saw this with a friend, it was good but highly flawed. I'm awful at writing, so I'll just post my problems in list form. 1. My biggest problem, is I can see people that like the non Harley characters and are hoping for solid interpretation of them (even as secondary characters) utterly despising this movie. Renee and Black Canary are probably the best of the BoP characters but they still feel kind of just "there" particularly since Black Canary's powers feel like an afterthought. While Huntress is barely in the movie, has a terrible actress, and her two character traits are being angry and kind of socially awkward (also, jesus christ that costume at the end). It also doesn't help that the movie ends with {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Harley duping them and going "yeah, we went our separate ways and they formed the actual Birds of Prey or something, idk f*** it". 2. Cassandra Cain is the character in name only. I don't even like the comic character but does she has a cult following, not to the extent of say, Kamala Khan, but people really love her. Here, the writers needed a young Asian girl and just picked CC based on what little name recognition she has. Seriously, there is nothing about this character that is like Cassandra Cain. They could have at least made her deaf and given her one similarity to her comic's counterpart (edit: I know she’s not deaf in the comics but this would give a reason why this version of the character wouldn’t speak without going the trained assassin since birth route), and maybe leave the door open for a sequel to explore her ability to read body language, plus I'm sure actual deaf/mute people would have appreciated the representation. But no, just make her a street tough foster kid {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} who's purpose to the story is she needs to take a shit. 3. I get that Harley is an antihero but {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Having her sell out a kid to a bad guy who's definitely going to torture and kill her and not learning or owning up to any of it is kind of a step too far.
4. For a movie about women banding together to fight Male oppression, did they have to give the main bad guys gay characteristics, especially since it feels like it's there to make them seem either creepy or wacky.
5. Small one, but it pissed me off. At one point Victor shows Harley the self inflicted scars he leaves on himself to represent each kill he makes( even though they don't show him ever actually doing it despite it being his whole gimmick) and doesn't say "You know how I got these scars?" I MEAN, COME ON!
so yeah, as a movie and Harley Quinn story it's fine if flawed, but as a adaptation of the source material, not so much.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 23, 2020 10:39:59 GMT -5
Saw it tonight. It was great. Just pure fun from start to finish.
The fight scenes were so well done. Margot Robbie is great. Ewan McGregor was awesomely deranged.
Not calling the movie Harley Quinn hurt it. Shes the focus and the big name people know. I'll never understand why they didn't just call it Harley. That surely must have cost them at the box office.
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