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Post by Glitch on Apr 13, 2019 6:09:35 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to what Red Letter Media puts out next.
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Post by Clint Bobski on Apr 13, 2019 7:16:31 GMT -5
We need to stop again with this narrative of Last Jedi having some sort of mass rejection or being a failure. Just because a certain segment of the fanbase didn't like it and it had its issues doesn't mean the movie wasn't a smashing commercial and critical success in both theaters and on home releases. If people really didn't like it, it wouldn't have been either.
Last Jedi was lucky to have the Star Wars brand name on it to support it. If this was another trilogy fans would’ve given up on the franchise altogether. People watched hoping it would be good and hoping they’d like it more if they watched it again. There's no denying it made a lot of money. It had the Star Wars brand name on it. It would’ve made a lot more money if it was a much better movie. By and large most Star Wars fans didn’t like it. Not a certain segment of the fanbase. Disney cancelled other planned movies because fans stopped caring about the franchise. That was because of the ton of backlash caused by Last Jedi. Solo didn’t cause that. Many Star Wars fans that saw Solo thought it was decent. The disinterest was caused by Last Jedi. Like it or not that is the narrative. No amount of Star Wars apologists are going to change that. This x1000000. TLJ was rubbish. It had as many, if not more plot inconsistencies, as Batman v Superman and Justice League, the acting was truly tripe and if it hadn't had the Star Wars brand stuck to it, it would have crashed and burned as an expensive flop. It made a billion because of the Star Wars name. It didn't make it because of the plot or story or characterisation. The only redeeming feature was that it wasn't a virtual remake of the Empire Strikes Back like Force Awakens was with A New Hope. Still can't get why Kylo Ren needs to be unmasked. If you want to pay homage to your dead uncle who was the most feared Sith in the universe, and was known for his mask, then you'd keep it on wouldn't you? Unless of course you were played by a marketable actor... I can't warm to Daisy Ridley as Rey. She's too aloof and her character has had a far quicker learning curve than any Jedi we've seen before. And if she is, as is obvious, going to be a Skywalker, then why not build that plot thread in all the way through rather than p*** all over it in Last Jedi? This franchise is making money because of its name and nostalgia pops. It's not doing it because of good writing or characterisation.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 13, 2019 7:38:40 GMT -5
You can say that for pretty much anything Star Wars past say the opening week of release in 1977. Even the original trilogy, which is amazing, is essentially a children's fairy tale. They may be a bit more or less well-written per installment, but there hasn't been a one of them that's been some in-depth character study etc. They haven't needed to be. That's not what they are. Last Jedi isn't some sort of outlier there.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 13, 2019 9:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 13, 2019 11:49:55 GMT -5
The top comment though... “My favorite part is that you are not directing the movie.”
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 13, 2019 12:10:48 GMT -5
I think it's one of those things with certain movies that over time opinions can shift. Carpenter's the Thing bombed and critics tore it a new one, but over time opinion has changed it to being either Carpenter's first or second greatest movie (depending on your opinion of Halloween). I recall all the hype of Phantom Menace and I don't think it was until a couple years later where opinion really turned sour on it. It happens a lot with initially-polarizing films. Forrest Gump is nowhere near as well regarded today as it was when it first came out. Hell, getting back on topic, when Empire Strikes Back came out, a lot of fans weren't sure what to make of it and a lot hated it. It was too dark, didn't wrap things up, Luke is mutilated and Han is written off. As someone who was there, I am literally rewatching the same events go down now as this generation's ROTJ is about to come out.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 13, 2019 12:24:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm really curious to see how the reaction to The Last Jedi will be say, 10 years from now. I always thought the context of ROTJ helped Empire Strikes Back become more appreciated, especially after talking to older Star Wars fans who were able to see the original trilogy during their theatrical releases.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 13, 2019 12:50:10 GMT -5
I think it's one of those things with certain movies that over time opinions can shift. Carpenter's the Thing bombed and critics tore it a new one, but over time opinion has changed it to being either Carpenter's first or second greatest movie (depending on your opinion of Halloween). I recall all the hype of Phantom Menace and I don't think it was until a couple years later where opinion really turned sour on it. It happens a lot with initially-polarizing films. Forrest Gump is nowhere near as well regarded today as it was when it first came out. Hell, getting back on topic, when Empire Strikes Back came out, a lot of fans weren't sure what to make of it and a lot hated it. It was too dark, didn't wrap things up, Luke is mutilated and Han is written off. As someone who was there, I am literally rewatching the same events go down now as this generation's ROTJ is about to come out. True. I wonder if a lot of our opinion about Star Wars is simply the fact that our opinion of what we see on the screen now is vastly different then what we saw as children. Ultimately, very little can live up to our expectations when something that was so highly regarded as that original trilogy.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 13, 2019 12:58:00 GMT -5
The prequels haven't improved with age, and neither will TLJ.
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Post by clifford on Apr 13, 2019 12:58:19 GMT -5
I didn't think the Last Jedi was that awful tbh, then again have never thought any of the perceived 'great' SW films have been well...great either. I've enjoyed pretty much all of them and hated none of them, but even the ones I enjoyed most wouldn't crack my personal top 50.
All that said, the disconnect by all those who saw TLJ before most of the public and then the public who saw it was really jarring.
I remember so many people on Twitter GUSHING over the last jedi. Then I saw it and was like 'huh, nah that was straight up just average', then I saw the absolute vitriol from people on the film.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 13, 2019 13:43:45 GMT -5
I think it's one of those things with certain movies that over time opinions can shift. Carpenter's the Thing bombed and critics tore it a new one, but over time opinion has changed it to being either Carpenter's first or second greatest movie (depending on your opinion of Halloween). I recall all the hype of Phantom Menace and I don't think it was until a couple years later where opinion really turned sour on it. It happens a lot with initially-polarizing films. Forrest Gump is nowhere near as well regarded today as it was when it first came out. Hell, getting back on topic, when Empire Strikes Back came out, a lot of fans weren't sure what to make of it and a lot hated it. It was too dark, didn't wrap things up, Luke is mutilated and Han is written off. As someone who was there, I am literally rewatching the same events go down now as this generation's ROTJ is about to come out. Which is actually something I was thinking about yesterday. Obviously, I don’t have the first hand experience, but when you look at the arc of the two trilogies they’re very similar. The sequel shits all over the story success of the first, and ends with the heroes in dire straits. So I was honestly curious if the reception to ESB was similar And despite the fact that Empire is the best of the original movies, it’s by far the least fun to watch in a bubble. If I only have time for 1 Star Wars movie, it’s likely not gonna be Empire or Last Jedi. I have a feeling TLJ will be much, much more appreciated when the sequel trilogy is viewed as a whole.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 13, 2019 13:59:17 GMT -5
I outright hated Empire as a kid. It took me until I was much older to really appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 14:21:03 GMT -5
I outright hated Empire as a kid. It took me until I was much older to really appreciate it. Outside of Hoth. I still find it really boring. RotJ was my favorite as a kid it still is.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 13, 2019 15:06:17 GMT -5
And despite the fact that Empire is the best of the original movies, it’s by far the least fun to watch in a bubble. If I only have time for 1 Star Wars movie, it’s likely not gonna be Empire or Last Jedi. Seconded. Empire is easily the best movie in the saga, but I rewatch it far less than any of the others, with the exceptions of Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. Return of the Jedi is by a country mile my go-to if I'm just watching a single movie.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 13, 2019 15:19:32 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 13, 2019 16:54:07 GMT -5
And despite the fact that Empire is the best of the original movies, it’s by far the least fun to watch in a bubble. If I only have time for 1 Star Wars movie, it’s likely not gonna be Empire or Last Jedi. Seconded. Empire is easily the best movie in the saga, but I rewatch it far less than any of the others, with the exceptions of Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. Return of the Jedi is by a country mile my go-to if I'm just watching a single movie. The ones I end up rewatching the most are the original and Return of the Jedi. Though I also like rewatching ROTS for the memes. Empire is fourth or so. Though since The Force Awakens and Rogue One have been on basic cable, I end up rewatching those whenever they're on. I'll probably do the same for Last Jedi. And I always like to marathon the main movies (even Episodes I and II) before the release of a numbered movie. Not sure if I'll add Rogue One or Solo to it before TROS comes out.
I've also been meaning to watch the movies in the Machete Order (IV > V > II > III > VI > VII > VIII) one day.
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Post by Larryhausen on Apr 13, 2019 16:58:18 GMT -5
Seconded. Empire is easily the best movie in the saga, but I rewatch it far less than any of the others, with the exceptions of Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. Return of the Jedi is by a country mile my go-to if I'm just watching a single movie. The ones I end up rewatching the most are the original and Return of the Jedi. Though I also like rewatching ROTS for the memes. Empire is fourth or so. Though since The Force Awakens and Rogue One have been on basic cable, I end up rewatching those whenever they're on. I'll probably do the same for Last Jedi. And I always like to marathon the main movies (even Episodes I and II) before the release of a numbered movie. Not sure if I'll add Rogue One or Solo to it before TROS comes out. I've also been meaning to watch the movies in the Machete Order (IV > V > II > III > VI > VII > VIII) one day.
What exactly is the point of the Machete Order? I could never fully grasp it.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 13, 2019 17:01:23 GMT -5
I watched this thing three time wondering what the joke was before I realized I had it on mute.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 13, 2019 17:05:12 GMT -5
TLJ i will NEVER watch again. A mediocre movie in a series I can do. A mediocre movie with plot holes, inconsistencies, no character loyalty, and that is SO LONG is just not worth the time.
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Post by adamclark52 on Apr 13, 2019 17:34:19 GMT -5
The trailer for the new game looks more interesting to me.
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