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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 16, 2018 22:30:16 GMT -5
As I said in the Raw thread, I think we're going to get a wonky finish next week that will lead to a Brock/Roman/Lashley triple threat at Summerslam. Which either means Brock Retains or we get some bullshit non finish at Summerslam. Which is f***ing terrible.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 16, 2018 22:30:23 GMT -5
Gotta stop giving these office jobs to people who have taken a lot of hits to the head. That’s why Paige is doing so well. Yep, Paige is doing amazing as a GM right now. SDL is the place to be. Angle might be happy about his team winning the briefcases but that doesn't mean a thing when those briefcases can't be used and Ronda, one of his stars, is being suspended towards how that briefcase was used. He's losing money. And Paige has been doing all this on her own, too. Shane hasn’t been around because he’s been recovering from the medical stuff that happened just before WrestleMania.
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on Jul 16, 2018 22:30:29 GMT -5
That's not fair, if it were up to him Braun would cash in a way that makes sense. This company books itself into impossible situations How isn't it fair tho? They've booked Braun like an absolute monster and it is completely within his character and SHOULD be in his character to call out Brock just like he did before and saying he isn't scared of him and could beat him If he uses MITB to beat Lesnar after a match in kayfabe the monster took the opportunity instead of destroying shit like he usually does and that hurts him
I think you misunderstood me, I meant it's unfair to ask him to defend a bad booking decision before it even happens just because it involves a guy he's a fan of. I too don't want Braun to cash in post-match.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2018 22:31:22 GMT -5
As I said in the Raw thread, I think we're going to get a wonky finish next week that will lead to a Brock/Roman/Lashley triple threat at Summerslam. Which either means Brock Retains or we get some bullshit non finish at Summerslam. Which is f***ing terrible. Or Brock drops the title again without getting pinned or submitted which would make it even worse
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 16, 2018 22:32:44 GMT -5
Which either means Brock Retains or we get some bullshit non finish at Summerslam. Which is f***ing terrible. Or Brock drops the title again without getting pinned or submitted which would make it even worse I was classifying that as bullshit nonfinish. As it'd be a bullshit anti-climax to the entire reign.
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Post by Clutchhausen on Jul 16, 2018 22:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 22:34:20 GMT -5
Saying it now. Corbin's going to eventually be GM. He's gonna get Angle the f*** outta here. Sadly that might turn Angle into a wrestler which I have no interest in seeing Angle/Corbin at WM probably. Yep, Paige is doing amazing as a GM right now. SDL is the place to be. Angle might be happy about his team winning the briefcases but that doesn't mean a thing when those briefcases can't be used and Ronda, one of his stars, is being suspended towards how that briefcase was used. He's losing money. And Paige has been doing all this on her own, too. Shane hasn’t been around because he’s been recovering from the medical stuff that happened just before WrestleMania. Paige is the perfect example of how a GM should be. She's rarely seen and regardless she's making decisions that benefit the product. It's more about the wrestlers and the titles than her which is how it should be.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2018 22:35:12 GMT -5
Nah. Braun's smart enough to do what needs to be done but he's gonna take the bitch way out and cash in on a beaten Lesnar as the commentators hype it up but when heels do it it's a bad thing. All dude has to do is have Angle make the match then and there whenever Lesnar shows up next. If it's Summerslam, Strowman gets his match first as the number 1 contender gets his second. We've seen how smart Strowman is, we know he is. That's why Strowman is gonna cash in on the winner. He's so smart he's gonna do all the other smart strats that heels do. When Strowman cashes in on someone after a match I don't wanna see anyone handwaving that shit because they raise their arms up when dude does it. Ok devils advocate here because I always seem to be, but three faces also cashed in the MITB on downed or fatigued opponents, Punk, Bryan (Who yes went heel but that was after the fact), and Ambrose So not every face is an idiot and knows how to capitalize. It ain't always about being honorable, they want to stick it to someone, and Braun I could see wanting to stick it to Roman or (LOL) Brock if he beats Roman again if this is the scenario Just saying that Braun is not the first face to cash in after a match or some event where someone is laid out is all. Bryan was in his scrappy phase but slowly turning heel plus Big Show and Henry were fighting for the title. He didn't even do a move he just pinned Show which made sense for his character
Ambrose cashed in on Rollins as the ultimate comeuppance after all the shit he put him through. That was story telling coming full circle
Punk was still vanilla and Edge threatened to take the title to SD before Batista came down to kill him
All of those made some type of sense
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 16, 2018 22:35:15 GMT -5
Paige looks like an idiot too though. She booked Ellsworth in a shark cage, which allowed him to throw objects to Carmella and interfere at will. Also did nothing while the tag champs attacked Kane and Bryan with zero repercussions.
Ha, 3 way. Surely you jest. We know Reigns is winning next week. You can go through the 5 stages of grief, but the sooner acceptance hits the better off you'll be. As far as Strowman goes I think he'll cash in at SS, but I'd have Reigns just wreck Lesnar like Goldberg did so the Strowman match will be the actual main event and Reigns won't have any excuses.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2018 22:37:49 GMT -5
Or Brock drops the title again without getting pinned or submitted which would make it even worse I was classifying that as bullshit nonfinish. As it'd be a bullshit anti-climax to the entire reign. Sadly, WWE might consider that since they don't want to hurt Brock despite the fact Brock could legit get f***ed up against DC and then you'll legit be without a champ for a period of time if they did indeed keep the belt on him
Worst case scenario they keep the belt on Brock and if he wins the UFC title he's never dropping the Universal title. If he losses the UFC title match well someone is about to get their noggin split open
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Post by lookout on Jul 16, 2018 22:38:11 GMT -5
As I said in the Raw thread, I think we're going to get a wonky finish next week that will lead to a Brock/Roman/Lashley triple threatt at Summerslam. Which either means Brock Retains or we get some bullshit non finish at Summerslam. Which is f***ing terrible. lesnar is booked for the raw after summerslam so hes probably retaining...hard to find the words to how sick I am of him and reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 22:38:33 GMT -5
A triple threat actually wouldn’t surprise me. Still think it will be Roman vs. Brock (which is like Viagra to Vince) but a non finish which puts Lashley in the match seems like something they would do.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 16, 2018 22:38:46 GMT -5
Ive had to deal with OP Shitty Roman for FIVE YEARS, and his booking is currently, way worse than Strowman in so many facets. I'm not saying Strowman is perfect, I don't want him to be so OP that no one can challenge him, but I'm sick of this experiment with Roman that has gone on five years, countless Mania Main Events, Constant Championship reigns to nowhere, and little to no crowd support Again, say what you want about Braun, this OPness has lasted maybe under a year, and the crowd loves him. He hasn't won every title under the sun, he currently, CURRENTLY, hasn't been overpushed so everyone suffers and is drug down with him then everyone hates him. Braun is not Roman right now, not in the fans eyes, and even not in the same booking realm, that could change, but right now, Roman has gotten beyond tiring, and everyone knows it So PLEASE don't potshot me like that again. As I said copy that no more need to be said
There is a clear line of what you like vs what you don't like so no more needs to be said
Well your first comment seemed to condescend to how I thought of the situation when you posed it to me yourself, calling Braun "my boy" when you have clear issues with him and I have brought up I'm not too fond of the direction either, and an apparent Bias because I hate Roman more and you apparently see Braun and Roman, someone who has been actual dogshit for over four years more than Braun has been marked as "OP", on equal ground, despite how I try to explain that makes no sense right now. You and Kn have been doing this to me over the Braun stuff, it's really gotten to me over the last few weeks, like I constantly feel undercut for how I feel. I'm not trying to talk down to either of you over my opinions but I'm CONSTANTLY just shut off and shut down when I try to speak my peace because I don't line up with how you think over this situation and when I try to explain why you just brush it off. Like you dont want to deal with me, like you think I'm too thick headed to understand. I understand completely, but some of the stuff I just feel is a tad extreme, like the stuff above. Honestly, I respect both you and Kn, but it honestly makes me feel like shit when I see this kinda stuff. I'm sure that's not you or Kn's intentions, in the end it's wrestling opinions on the internet, who really cares? But it's never been my intention to just have you guys shut me out over this. It honestly sucks, I might as well be muted...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 16, 2018 22:41:07 GMT -5
As I said in the Raw thread, I think we're going to get a wonky finish next week that will lead to a Brock/Roman/Lashley triple threat at Summerslam. Which either means Brock Retains or we get some bullshit non finish at Summerslam. Which is f***ing terrible. There is literally no scenario where I think this has a happy ending Maybe if Lashley wins and nothing else happens is like... the best case scenario and that's not even terrific...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 22:44:27 GMT -5
Paige looks like an idiot too though. She booked Ellsworth in a shark cage, which allowed him to throw objects to Carmella and interfere at will. Also did nothing while the tag champs attacked Kane and Bryan with zero repercussions. Yeah those are pretty bad but we don't know the repercussions of that yet, we'll see on SDL. Besides that, Paige can screw up a few times and it'll be fixed in no time. Angle screws up and it extends months. Like this Sasha/Bayley stuff needs to be taken care of. This Alexa stuff needs to be taken care of. This Lesnar stuff needs to be taken care of.
Like with Paige, if she f***s up she tries to get it fixed by the next ppv and if not that then shortly after.
Angle, when he f***s up dude drags it out to the next big ppv. Like he's looking at the calendar and circling the Summerslam date and smiling lol. If this happened around October he'd stretch it out to Rumble time if not WM.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jul 16, 2018 22:49:48 GMT -5
I don't mind if Braun cashes in on a tired Roman/Brock. You have to be a dumb to turn down a surefire title to win in a more honorable way. RVD and Cena both cashed in advanced because the location of the match made it special (RVD for ECW PPV, Cena RAW 1000)and they wanted to win the title there.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2018 22:57:16 GMT -5
As I said copy that no more need to be said
There is a clear line of what you like vs what you don't like so no more needs to be said
Well your first comment seemed to condescend to how I thought of the situation when you posed it to me yourself, calling Braun "my boy" when you have clear issues with him and I have brought up I'm not too fond of the direction either, and an apparent Bias because I hate Roman more and you apparently see Braun and Roman, someone who has been actual dogshit for over four years more than Braun has been marked as "OP", on equal ground, despite how I try to explain that makes no sense right now. You and Kn have been doing this to me over the Braun stuff, it's really gotten to me over the last few weeks, like I constantly feel undercut for how I feel. I'm not trying to talk down to either of you over my opinions but I'm CONSTANTLY just shut off and shut down when I try to speak my peace because I don't line up with how you think over this situation and when I try to explain why you just brush it off. Like you dont want to deal with me, like you think I'm too thick headed to understand. I understand completely, but some of the stuff I just feel is a tad extreme, like the stuff above. Honestly, I respect both you and Kn, but it honestly makes me feel like shit when I see this kinda stuff. I'm sure that's not you or Kn's intentions, in the end it's wrestling opinions on the internet, who really cares? But it's never been my intention to just have you guys shut me out over this. It honestly sucks, I might as well be muted... That's not the intention at all
What we have been trying to say (and @kn can jump in as well) is that both are on the same ground. Yes, you hate Roman that is well documented but what we've saying from jump is they are being booked the same way and the same thing that would set you off about Roman in a tirade, you give Braun a pass due to crowd reaction. All we been saying is this will not last forever and even if it did we aren't wrong to call out the BS about Braun that got someone like Roman shitted on but him it's all good
I've been on this for months with Braun and there has been an excuse every month for him. Why isn't he called out for picking on KO? What did KO do to deserve a cage match with a man that's flipped over his car and tossed him off the stage in a port a potty? As was said already he beat person in that MITB match when the whole story line of the match was to stop him. Yes, he didn't beat them all individually one by one but he was clearly made to look 2 notches ahead of some of the best superstars in WWE
Which gets back to the point I been making for a while. If/When Strowman does win the belt things will eventually change. The big unstoppable bully is fun in spurts but he's been on this war path all year long and over the last few months of last year. When he becomes champ anyone that goes against him is an underdog and the fans will start to cheer whoever he's against. He just murdered KO who just last year had balls enough to attack Mr. Mcmahon but is running like a child from Strowman.
This could be continued in the Braun is OP thread if there is more to say but I want to keep this one back on path of Roman/Lashley II
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 16, 2018 23:14:03 GMT -5
Well your first comment seemed to condescend to how I thought of the situation when you posed it to me yourself, calling Braun "my boy" when you have clear issues with him and I have brought up I'm not too fond of the direction either, and an apparent Bias because I hate Roman more and you apparently see Braun and Roman, someone who has been actual dogshit for over four years more than Braun has been marked as "OP", on equal ground, despite how I try to explain that makes no sense right now. You and Kn have been doing this to me over the Braun stuff, it's really gotten to me over the last few weeks, like I constantly feel undercut for how I feel. I'm not trying to talk down to either of you over my opinions but I'm CONSTANTLY just shut off and shut down when I try to speak my peace because I don't line up with how you think over this situation and when I try to explain why you just brush it off. Like you dont want to deal with me, like you think I'm too thick headed to understand. I understand completely, but some of the stuff I just feel is a tad extreme, like the stuff above. Honestly, I respect both you and Kn, but it honestly makes me feel like shit when I see this kinda stuff. I'm sure that's not you or Kn's intentions, in the end it's wrestling opinions on the internet, who really cares? But it's never been my intention to just have you guys shut me out over this. It honestly sucks, I might as well be muted... That's not the intention at all
What we have been trying to say (and @kn can jump in as well) is that both are on the same ground. Yes, you hate Roman that is well documented but what we've saying from jump is they are being booked the same way and the same thing that would set you off about Roman in a tirade, you give Braun a pass due to crowd reaction. All we been saying is this will not last forever and even if it did we aren't wrong to call out the BS about Braun that got someone like Roman shitted on but him it's all good
I've been on this for months with Braun and there has been an excuse every month for him. Why isn't he called out for picking on KO? What did KO do to deserve a cage match with a man that's flipped over his car and tossed him off the stage in a port a potty? As was said already he beat person in that MITB match when the whole story line of the match was to stop him. Yes, he didn't beat them all individually one by one but he was clearly made to look 2 notches ahead of some of the best superstars in WWE
Which gets back to the point I been making for a while. If/When Strowman does win the belt things will eventually change. The big unstoppable bully is fun in spurts but he's been on this war path all year long and over the last few months of last year. When he becomes champ anyone that goes against him is an underdog and the fans will start to cheer whoever he's against. He just murdered KO who just last year had balls enough to attack Mr. Mcmahon but is running like a child from Strowman.
This could be continued in the Braun is OP thread if there is more to say but I want to keep this one back on path of Roman/Lashley II
And I've said this before but I really think the reason Braun has worked when Roman hasn't has been Braun took awhile to get where he is, he really did, he didn't win every title under the sun, he is sound on the mic, even got a catchphrase over, like there are a few factors I see that legitimately are why Braun worked, and Roman didn't But as I have also said, that doesn't mean this will last forever, I don't want Braun to become the new Roman and be OP and kill everyone. I get what you're saying as well about KO, it sucked, but I feel like a few factors came into that feud. One, I think Kev is hurt, and he needed a write off, and two, Owens has kind of been for years trolling and picking on people. Like he tried to murder Zayn and Jericho. He's always trying to weasel and underhand his way to the top. Could it have been done better? Yes. At the very least if Owens gets extended time off to heal, he can come back and we can act like it didn't happen... I agree the most on one thing, Braun needs competition, and a weakness, and I feel like the reason he doesn't right now is Vince needs a MONSTER to beat Brock who he has built up so unstoppable he needs someone who you could consider OP to drop him, he dropped the ball into the earths core with Roman, Lashley I dont think is established enough yet, Braun looks to be the case. But if/when he wins, that will be WWEs true test. No more part time champion, which means Braun needs a challenger or challengers, and he needs to look like he can be beaten. Can they do that? We'll see. I never have good feelings about how WWE can take a direction but we'll see... I just know I'd rather take my chances with Strowman, and that isn't me trying to be Bias about Roman, but they've given Roman every chance in the book... like if it didn't work the first six times why would it work now and why would the crowd wanna see it now? At least Braun would in fact be different... but they need to make it work as I said, or as you and KN have said, RAW's roster is f***ed
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Post by Perd on Jul 16, 2018 23:14:13 GMT -5
It’s why I didn’t assume anything even after Lashley beat Roman. Hell, I won’t assume anything if he beats him next week. It all comes back around to Roman. Whether it’s stuff with Braun, Lashley, or Lesnar it’s goimg to end with Roman standing tall. It’s why iwanted them to pull the trigger at Mania. Can we just have Roman beat Lesnar clean and move on? Have him foil Braun’s cash-in, too. Let’s get the Romangasm over with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 23:17:37 GMT -5
Well your first comment seemed to condescend to how I thought of the situation when you posed it to me yourself, calling Braun "my boy" when you have clear issues with him and I have brought up I'm not too fond of the direction either, and an apparent Bias because I hate Roman more and you apparently see Braun and Roman, someone who has been actual dogshit for over four years more than Braun has been marked as "OP", on equal ground, despite how I try to explain that makes no sense right now. You and Kn have been doing this to me over the Braun stuff, it's really gotten to me over the last few weeks, like I constantly feel undercut for how I feel. I'm not trying to talk down to either of you over my opinions but I'm CONSTANTLY just shut off and shut down when I try to speak my peace because I don't line up with how you think over this situation and when I try to explain why you just brush it off. Like you dont want to deal with me, like you think I'm too thick headed to understand. I understand completely, but some of the stuff I just feel is a tad extreme, like the stuff above. Honestly, I respect both you and Kn, but it honestly makes me feel like shit when I see this kinda stuff. I'm sure that's not you or Kn's intentions, in the end it's wrestling opinions on the internet, who really cares? But it's never been my intention to just have you guys shut me out over this. It honestly sucks, I might as well be muted... That's not the intention at all
What we have been trying to say (and @kn can jump in as well) is that both are on the same ground. Yes, you hate Roman that is well documented but what we've saying from jump is they are being booked the same way and the same thing that would set you off about Roman in a tirade, you give Braun a pass due to crowd reaction. All we been saying is this will not last forever and even if it did we aren't wrong to call out the BS about Braun that got someone like Roman shitted on but him it's all good I've been on this for months with Braun and there has been an excuse every month for him. Why isn't he called out for picking on KO? What did KO do to deserve a cage match with a man that's flipped over his car and tossed him off the stage in a port a potty? As was said already he beat person in that MITB match when the whole story line of the match was to stop him. Yes, he didn't beat them all individually one by one but he was clearly made to look 2 notches ahead of some of the best superstars in WWE Which gets back to the point I been making for a while. If/When Strowman does win the belt things will eventually change. The big unstoppable bully is fun in spurts but he's been on this war path all year long and over the last few months of last year. When he becomes champ anyone that goes against him is an underdog and the fans will start to cheer whoever he's against. He just murdered KO who just last year had balls enough to attack Mr. Mcmahon but is running like a child from Strowman. This could be continued in the Braun is OP thread if there is more to say but I want to keep this one back on path of Roman/Lashley II
Yep, that's pretty much it.
I've noticed that I and others can see certain things way earlier than most others can and it takes a lot for others to acknowledge it. The "hey Owens has been trash since he was Universal Champion" thing is one. Dudes were defending Owens till the death and it took a while for them to realize that dude's been horrible for a while. The "hey this Nakamura isn't as great as yall are saying, they need to switch it up or else he's gonna need a heel turn" thing is one. When he had his first feud from the jump against Ziggler I said that. People got on me and before you know it people realized it, then the Styles feud hit and we get to where he is today. The "AJ Styles is having a boring run" thing is another one of them. I was saying that early, people made it seem like I came out of nowhere with that but little did they know more people started catching onto it. There's just certain stuff that can be seen that people don't get until much later.
Now this Strowman thing which you said months ago, people didn't see it but I did and now we see more people catch onto it. No matter what it is, if people like somebody there will be excuses and shock exactly like what happened with Owens, exactly like what happened with Nakamura, exactly like what happened with Styles, and the key is because they like them so much they handwave stuff. Even with the Jinder stuff dudes were saying he hasn't improved when he clearly has improved some in that role, simply because they don't like Jinder. It goes in a cycle to the point where these days I make my comments and then when others finally catch on (after WWE beats them over the head with it) I say "yep, exactly like I said months ago."
Fact is this Strowman push is f***ed up and the longer it goes on the worse it'll be. If yall don't think it's bad now, just wait until he wins that title. We've seen this countless times before. Just wait until he loses that belt and just wait until Strowman's out here getting beat by a Baron Corbin down the line and people will be shocked because Strowman's supposed to be a juggernaut. Nah, that's what this booking has done to him. He's this strong so he's now gotta be balanced and it's an issue.
It's like a fighting game. Balancing an OP character is hard as hell. This Strowman situation is probably going to be the hardest "balancing a character" act I've seen in this company since the Attitude Era purely because of how they've set dude up.
But yeah to the Lashley/Reigns thing, yeah. Like a triple threat would be better but man just last year we had Lesnar/Reigns/Joe/Strowman so throwing Lashley in and then having Strowman cash in isn't really that big of a change.
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