Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 26, 2006 0:07:25 GMT -5
I don't get the remakes either. In the 70's John Carpenter, Wes Craven, Bob Clarke and Sergio Argento just to name a few directors were making really well thought out grusome, gory horror films. Now we get the gore with out the proper film technique. Not to sound snobbish but I think the downfall of the horror genre started quietly in the 80's when studio's discovered that 13-18 year boys were a great target demo and that teenage boys didn't give a crap about camera work or plot or the cinamotagraphy of a graphic scene, that just wanted the graphic scene and nudity no matter how poorly done. Although some great horror films were made in the 80's and early 90's eventually it led to the kind of paint by numbers, "this is shocking, isn't it"? horror movies of today Dario Argento is the one you're thinking of, I believe. But yeah.....today's films are marketed to kids with the attention span of your average housefly. That's why they're so unsatisfactory for us older folks. We want, for lack of a better term, the foreplay, the build up to make the payoff GREAT. The kids just want the "money shot" and that's it. Which gives us HOSTEL. A film comprised of nothing but gorehound "money shots".....so busy giving us those shots, in fact, that it forgets to give us ANY plot. Like I said earlier....look to TARTAN's Asian Extreme Line. It contains that which the real horror fan seeks. I'm glad somebody besides me never saw the appeal of Hostel.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 26, 2006 0:18:02 GMT -5
Against which one? The critics are pretty much ripping the hell out of BLACK CHRISTMAS on DreadCentral.com. And the fans are ripping apart Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN already. They're ready to lynch the poor guy for even trying to remake HALLOWEEN. I f***ing hate Rob Zombie for this. (more so than before. I always found him way overrated) Halloween shouldnt be touched. Nobody can be loomis. Nobody can play the role of Laurie like Jamie Lee Curtis. You just cant recapture the feeling of the original No..... just no. But there are retards that will go see anything "horror" even if it looks like a pile of crap (Im looking at anyone who went to see Hostel....sorry guys, the torture crap was cool when SAW did it the first time) As someone else said, Hollywood lacks originality and we as moviegoers are paying for it
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Dec 26, 2006 0:18:32 GMT -5
I'm expecting a "Deliverance" remake with Kyle Gass in the Ned Beatty role. Crap, with an idea like that I probably should write for Hollywood. Or WWE Creative. I know I could come up with something as retarded as any Hollywood scriptwriter or WWE writer.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Dec 26, 2006 0:20:08 GMT -5
You're not alone. I've never liked gore simply for the sake of it. I'm of a firm belief that you can make a great horror movie without much gore, so I always kind of look at it as taking the easy way out.
I haven't seen Hostel, and have no desire to see it. I could tell from the previews what it was going to be like, and that kind of thing, as mentioned, does not appeal to me at all.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 26, 2006 1:01:39 GMT -5
I'm expecting a "Deliverance" remake with Kyle Gass in the Ned Beatty role. Crap, with an idea like that I probably should write for Hollywood. Or WWE Creative. I know I could come up with something as retarded as any Hollywood scriptwriter or WWE writer. I'll be waiting for "Tenacious D-liverance" to hit my local multiplex. But yeah....remakes for the sake of remaking a movie ALWAYS blow. I mean, take THE BIRDS remake. If ever there was a case begging the question WHY it's THAT one. It's freaking HITCHCOCK!!!! No director alive today, not even STEVEN Fracking SPEILBERG could do THE BIRDS better than Hitchcock. So why remake it? Critics are gonna trash it, TRUE horror fans will reject it.....so why waste money on it? ARRRRRRGH! Add to this the fact that true horror gems like SLITHER and THE DESCENT are getting ignored, and this does indeed piss me off greatly.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 26, 2006 1:46:52 GMT -5
I somehow confused Dario Argento with Sergio Leone, the director of Once apon a time in America. I think you can make a great horror/thriller without gore but you can also make a great one with gore. Another problem within the genre is that because the market is dominated by kids, the kind of people that Rorschach corectly discribed as being only interested in the money shot, a horror-suspence film will be intentionally miss-marketed to get that audience even if it's just for the opening weekend. So a film like Dark Water(title might be off, the Jennifer Connelly film) is marketed as being something that it was not. The modern horror fans showed up, many hated it because it was not what they were expecting. I think it was a good suspence/thriller horror piece but because it couldn't be marketed as that it suffered
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 26, 2006 2:07:43 GMT -5
Right on, Norm. I kinda liked DARK WATER, but then again I WAS dissapointed at the marketing of it as the SCARIEST film of the year. It wasn't at all SCARY. It was thought provoking, and unsettling. Not really a "grab you by the ghoulies" thriller.
Hell.....you take one of the best, most skillfully made movies of all time.....JAWS. You make that movie today, I GUARANTEE it's going to be a whole new movie. It'll be full of MTV jump cuts, needless gore/nudity (I like boobs, but COME ON.....a little restraint makes the payoff sweeter. Really) and a whole hell of a lot of soulless CGI, subtracting any and all suspense and plot for quick gnarly shark attacks and mindless violence.
I guarantee it.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Dec 26, 2006 2:35:55 GMT -5
I'm just glad I've stopped hearing things about a Creature From the Black Lagoon remake, with a CG'd Creature. That made me feel sick to my stomach and angry all at the same time.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 26, 2006 2:43:56 GMT -5
I'm just glad I've stopped hearing things about a Creature From the Black Lagoon remake, with a CG'd Creature. That made me feel sick to my stomach and angry all at the same time. Ooooooh did I EVER see red about that. The Benicio Del Toro THE WOLFMAN remake, on the other hand....... will still be blasphemy. Just on a lesser degree. You can NEVER top Lon Chaney's performance in the original. But Del Toro will at least be a solid distant runner up.
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