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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 10, 2018 14:10:43 GMT -5
I've said it before, I'll say it again - Krypton is NOT Superman's origin. It's just an explanation for his powers. To treat Superman as something other then a goodhearted human who just wants to help people and has a unique set of skills to do so with is doing Superman a grave misjustice. Kinda sucks but at least he could be open to be a potential Marvel superhero I've had an idea for an Avengers vs Squadron Supreme movie in my head for forever. Cavill would be perfect for Hyperion.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 10, 2018 14:39:34 GMT -5
I think the Dean Cain version is the perfect interpretation of Superman. Yes, he's an alien and different, but he was raised by two humans that loved him and accepted him. Krypton is acknowledged, studied over the course of the series, but doesn't influence his day to day life. He's accountable to Ma and Pa Kent, not some long dead sceptre. Clark Kent was a well adjusted, young man wanting to have a good career, a woman he could love and settle down with. Superman was something he did because he had the ability to do it and his innate goodness to help people. Yeah that or the animated series. He isn't Kal-el of Krypton that's not what he thinks of himself as. He's Clark Kent of Smallville. Superman is him helping because he's the only one who can and his parents raised him to do that. To fit Pa Kent the answer to should I just let them die is not "maybe" it's "no. But you have to be careful" And you know not die needlessly in a tornado... Yes. I think they touched on this in both interpretations. Pa Kent encourages the idea of Superman as it gives his son, Clark, a breather to live a normal life as well such as going to the ballgame with his friends or eating out. He's not too bothered about the consequences of Superman as he knows Clark is a good lad and will do the right thing.
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Post by DSR on Dec 27, 2018 2:12:22 GMT -5
Superman vs. Hollywood needs a second edition, STAT. Hey man. Because of this post, I went and looked up Superman vs. Hollywood, bought a copy, and am enjoying the hell out of it. Thanks!
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 27, 2018 7:13:30 GMT -5
Going to play devil’s advocate and say that I don’t think Man of Steel was anywhere near as bad as it gets trashed for-but for sure it does not measure up to its predecessors in Christopher Reeve and TAS. I actually appreciated how they tried to add a touch of humanism to Superman by playing off the stranger in a strange land aspect of his character-both the Reeves film and TAS did that to perfection by showing a young Clark Kent struggling to fit into a world he knows he doesn’t belong to, and trying to balance his double life. Man of Steel also showed great potential to be following Marvel’s footsteps in subtlety laying down the seeds to develop a greater expanded cinematic universe, with those hints at Batman, Lex Luthor, Cyborg, the Green Latern Corps, Supergirl, etc. Where it went wrong was in going overboard on the “Dark and gritty” imagery such as that godawful costume, and for that we have the lingering Chris Nolan effect to blame. But also Zack Snyder’s typically anemic pacing and obsession with chopping the story into present day and flashbacks rather than just telling it in a straight, linear line like the Reeves film dragged the story down enormously.
And then we had Batman Vs Superman, where they officially went haywire and completely jumped the gun, creating a total cluster of a film that crammed way too much into a single project and totally tossed a chance to established several franchises right out the window. Nuff said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 7:43:53 GMT -5
Going to play devil’s advocate and say that I don’t think Man of Steel was anywhere near as bad as it gets trashed for-but for sure it does not measure up to its predecessors in Christopher Reeve and TAS. I actually appreciated how they tried to add a touch of humanism to Superman by playing off the stranger in a strange land aspect of his character-both the Reeves film and TAS did that to perfection by showing a young Clark Kent struggling to fit into a world he knows he doesn’t belong to, and trying to balance his double life. Man of Steel also showed great potential to be following Marvel’s footsteps in subtlety laying down the seeds to develop a greater expanded cinematic universe, with those hints at Batman, Lex Luthor, Cyborg, the Green Latern Corps, Supergirl, etc. Where it went wrong was in going overboard on the “Dark and gritty” imagery such as that godawful costume, and for that we have the lingering Chris Nolan effect to blame. But also Zack Snyder’s typically anemic pacing and obsession with chopping the story into present day and flashbacks rather than just telling it in a straight, linear line like the Reeves film dragged the story down enormously. And then we had Batman Vs Superman, where they officially went haywire and completely jumped the gun, creating a total cluster of a film that crammed way too much into a single project and totally tossed a chance to established several franchises right out the window. Nuff said. Honestly Man of Steel was the hardest one to sit through of these movies for me. Yeah, it has less bad and more good than BvS, but it's also just way more dull while BvS is at least kind of captivating in how terrible it is. Granted part of that might be in the fact that although I didn't expect Man of Steel to be good, I was at least going in with the possibility and hope in mind. BvS it was just a question of just how bad it was going to be.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 27, 2018 11:09:15 GMT -5
The biggest sin of Man of Steel is that it lays the foundation for the DC Extended Turd.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 27, 2018 11:25:46 GMT -5
Going to play devil’s advocate and say that I don’t think Man of Steel was anywhere near as bad as it gets trashed for-but for sure it does not measure up to its predecessors in Christopher Reeve and TAS. I actually appreciated how they tried to add a touch of humanism to Superman by playing off the stranger in a strange land aspect of his character-both the Reeves film and TAS did that to perfection by showing a young Clark Kent struggling to fit into a world he knows he doesn’t belong to, and trying to balance his double life. Man of Steel also showed great potential to be following Marvel’s footsteps in subtlety laying down the seeds to develop a greater expanded cinematic universe, with those hints at Batman, Lex Luthor, Cyborg, the Green Latern Corps, Supergirl, etc. Where it went wrong was in going overboard on the “Dark and gritty” imagery such as that godawful costume, and for that we have the lingering Chris Nolan effect to blame. But also Zack Snyder’s typically anemic pacing and obsession with chopping the story into present day and flashbacks rather than just telling it in a straight, linear line like the Reeves film dragged the story down enormously. And then we had Batman Vs Superman, where they officially went haywire and completely jumped the gun, creating a total cluster of a film that crammed way too much into a single project and totally tossed a chance to established several franchises right out the window. Nuff said. I think Man of Steel worked really well as a standalone film. It honestly felt like a Superman version of Batman Begins, and honestly felt like a Superman that could exist in that universe better than in the DCEU. I really wish they hadn't tried the shared universe, because as Wonder Woman and Aquaman have proven, DC is putting out way better content when they focus on individual worlds and characters.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 27, 2018 11:36:41 GMT -5
might have said this before but i really liked MoS extended
but i have a question?
if the rulers of Krypton already know about earth for centuries wouldn't they have sent someone there already? and that brings me to My idea for a complete reboot of the ENTIRE DC universe .....
get this
a crystal pod arrives and crash lands forcing a car with a husband and wife off the road, they find this wee baby, and the husband tries to fix the bust tyre but the jack collapses ..... and yep you guessed it!
but instead of an american flag ..... A RUSSIAN FLAG INSTEAD!!!
and jor-el was only brought here because of the dank politics on krypton, including his fathers allegience to a rampaging dictator, trying to take over each city ..... and there's PLENTY of already establishment of characters .....
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 27, 2018 12:29:02 GMT -5
if the rulers of Krypton already know about earth for centuries wouldn't they have sent someone there already? Eh, they were gonna send someone, but they noticed that those jerks from Planet Vegeta beat them to it and figured it was a waste of time.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2018 12:57:46 GMT -5
Renegade Cut on YouTube is doing a multi-part long form analysis of the DCEU's shortcomings and how it's bled into toxic fan tribalism. I've got the first one on now, and I think he kind of hits what holds Man of Steel back...well, ok, there are multiple issues, but one key one is the use of flashbacks in a weird out of order sequence that doesn't tie the narrative and character arc together.
Like, you have a scene where young Clark is bullied, but doesn't hit back because he's aware of how badly he could hurt someone with his powers. You also have a scene where adult Clark is bullied while working as a bouncer at a bar, and still doesn't hit back (even though he tosses the guy's tractor trailer). You'd think those two scenes would go one right after the other if you're building the narrative around flashbacks to illustrate how young Clark's experiences have shaped his current situation and challenges...but they're not. Instead, they're disjointed, and don't ask the audience to connect what's happened in the past to what's going on in the present. Of course, there's also the thematic inconsistency that likely stemmed from having too many big personalities involved in crafting the story and script, so that didn't help, either. I still don't hate Man of Steel and know I was largely cool with it when I saw it in theater, but it's hard to ignore its issues.
That said, I'm glad this series seems to be focusing on trying to explain to the strongest tribalists how to approach film criticism like adults, because good Lord does the internet need a dose of that approach.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Dec 27, 2018 15:28:13 GMT -5
does this mean he's free for the beeboverse (formerly known as arrowverse) crossover event next year?
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 27, 2018 15:49:05 GMT -5
does this mean he's free for the beeboverse (formerly known as arrowverse) crossover event next year? That would be hilariously DC, they lose an actor to themselves. Have Cavill show up and explain, with a wink, that he's from the darkest timeline.
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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 27, 2018 16:49:14 GMT -5
does this mean he's free for the beeboverse (formerly known as arrowverse) crossover event next year? That would be hilariously DC, they lose an actor to themselves. Have Cavill show up and explain, with a wink, that he's from the darkest timeline. While I'd love to see Cavill get a shot at being Superman with a decent creative team behind him, Beeboverse already has a perfect Superman. My vote is casting Cavill as the new Captain America, and Evan's as Superman.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 27, 2018 18:24:14 GMT -5
That would be hilariously DC, they lose an actor to themselves. Have Cavill show up and explain, with a wink, that he's from the darkest timeline. While I'd love to see Cavill get a shot at being Superman with a decent creative team behind him, Beeboverse already has a perfect Superman. My vote is casting Cavill as the new Captain America, and Evan's as Superman. Do it full JLA/Avengers comic style, where Supes and Cap are the two most paranoid members of their respective teams in regards to each others universes. Superman: Why is everyone so happy in this world? Are they being mind-controlled? Cap: Why is everyone so grim in this world? Has evil already prevailed?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 27, 2018 20:55:07 GMT -5
While I'd love to see Cavill get a shot at being Superman with a decent creative team behind him, Beeboverse already has a perfect Superman. My vote is casting Cavill as the new Captain America, and Evan's as Superman. Do it full JLA/Avengers comic style, where Supes and Cap are the two most paranoid members of their respective teams in regards to each others universes. Superman: Why is everyone so happy in this world? Are they being mind-controlled? Cap: Why is everyone so grim in this world? Has evil already prevailed? Only if Hawkeye calls them Squadron Supreme wannabes still
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Post by Cyno on Dec 27, 2018 21:05:34 GMT -5
Keep Tyler Hoechlin as Superman in the Beeboverse. Bring in Cavill as a completely different character and have him and Brandon Routh (who plays Ray Palmer/The Atom) crack fourth wall adjacent jokes with each other.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 27, 2018 21:57:50 GMT -5
Keep Tyler Hoechlin as Superman in the Beeboverse. Bring in Cavill as a completely different character and have him and Brandon Routh (who plays Ray Palmer/The Atom) crack fourth wall adjacent jokes with each other. Wasn't Dean Cain on Supergirl for awhile too?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 27, 2018 22:02:02 GMT -5
Keep Tyler Hoechlin as Superman in the Beeboverse. Bring in Cavill as a completely different character and have him and Brandon Routh (who plays Ray Palmer/The Atom) crack fourth wall adjacent jokes with each other. Wasn't Dean Cain on Supergirl for awhile too? Yeah he's Dr. Danvers, Alex and Kara's father
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Post by Cyno on Dec 27, 2018 22:22:26 GMT -5
Wasn't Dean Cain on Supergirl for awhile too? Yeah he's Dr. Danvers, Alex and Kara's father I love how they've brought back a lot of previous actors from Smallville, Lois & Clark, and other DCTV shows and movies as other roles. Like Kara's adoptive mom is played by Helen Slater (who played Supergirl in the 1984 movie) while Alura Zor-El, Kara's real mother, is now played by Erica Durance (who played Lois Lane in Smallville).
One of the more clever castings was casting the guy who played Barry Allen in the short-lived 90's Flash series, John Wesley Shipp, as three separate roles in the current Flash series. He played Earth-1's Henry Allen, Barry's father, Earth-2's Jay Garrick, and Earth-90's Barry Allen.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 28, 2018 18:44:05 GMT -5
does this mean he's free for the beeboverse (formerly known as arrowverse) crossover event next year? That would be hilariously DC, they lose an actor to themselves. Have Cavill show up and explain, with a wink, that he's from the darkest timeline. Better idea. He shows up as an alternate universe version...of Ray Palmer.
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