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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 19, 2018 19:39:33 GMT -5
I don't know which was worse for the mariners Chone figgins or Carlos Silva. Probably Figgins
Silva was horrible but it seemed Figgins once he got to Seattle lost all the juice and was never an everyday player again
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 19, 2018 20:07:34 GMT -5
Lakers.
Giving a huge deal to a decrepit Kobe Bryant.
Jim Buss getting desperate that he was getting fired so he signed Mozgov and Deng to long term deals. That hurt the cap space for a couple of years.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 19, 2018 22:19:58 GMT -5
While I'm sure there are worst but a couple stand out current day Currently The St. Louis Cardinals giving a 4 year 7,500,000 a year contract to Brett Cecil for a reliever who posted a 6.16 ERA and before close to a 4 era is not worth it. Another would be Dexter Fowler if he doesn't bounce back next year after having a great 2017 when healthy to basically forgetting how to play outfield or hit batting under .200 all year. He only on his second year of a long term contract. Came in to say Brett Cecil. Spending so much on a reliever not named Chapman or Miller is a waste when trades and developing minor leaguers seems to be Mo's usual way of doing business. Fowler I was fine with. He posted great numbers last year and had had an OBP second only to Carp. I'm hoping this year was an outlyer. If not Martinez and O'Neil are there to pick up the playing time.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Sept 19, 2018 23:17:54 GMT -5
I would say bad contracts in baseball at least have less of an impact for the top teams since the sport is capless. Even a bad A-Rod like contract won't stop the Yankees or Red Sox from being a playoff team with a stacked roster,whereas a shitty Knicks contract sets them back a few years before being able to reboot.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 20, 2018 0:12:59 GMT -5
I would say bad contracts in baseball at least have less of an impact for the top teams since the sport is capless. Even a bad A-Rod like contract won't stop the Yankees or Red Sox from being a playoff team with a stacked roster,whereas a shitty Knicks contract sets them back a few years before being able to reboot. Yea, baseball has no cap so it doesn't kill them as much but the "new" luxury tax rules which puts emphasis on staying under $196M I believe is essentially the hard cap now
Yankees are going to go under that for the first time in a long time and avoid paying penalties. It's not going to stop teams from spending but it does give a balance because you don't want to be paying penalties for a bummy team
NBA contracts have been out of control but they seem to be coming back down with the cap coming down as well. You had guys like Evan Turner and Crabbe making $70M contracts as well as Mozgov. Players this year got a rude awakening as teams aren't throwing money at the wall anymore because they could.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 20, 2018 0:14:46 GMT -5
Lakers. Giving a huge deal to a decrepit Kobe Bryant. Jim Buss getting desperate that he was getting fired so he signed Mozgov and Deng to long term deals. That hurt the cap space for a couple of years. The Kobe contract didn't really kill them and I wouldn't classify it as a bad contract since they got the money they gave him back 2x over
Mozgov and Deng were bad contracts though. They got out of Mozgov after one year and now done with Deng. All things considered they were able to wiggle out of 2 bad contracts very well
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Post by deezy on Sept 20, 2018 0:24:05 GMT -5
This whole thread could be dedicated to the Redskins alone.
Haynesworth Stubblefield Sanders Carrier Jeff George Jeremiah Trotter Josh Norman Chris Culiver Brandon Lloyd Randle El Adam Arculta (however you spell his last name)
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Post by RI Richmark on Sept 20, 2018 3:07:32 GMT -5
Starting with the Celtics, back in 1994 the original Big 3 had left and the Celtics should have started rebuilding but instead they tried a number of questionable signings in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. The worst of these signings was Pervis Ellison who was given a 6 year $11.55 million dollar deal despite a history of chronic injuries that earned him the nickname "Not in Service" Pervis. Sure enough his injury problems followed him to Boston. He missed the first half of his first season with the Celtics and it only got worse from there. He would play in half a season just twice during his run with the C's and wasn't that effective when he was on the court.
As for the Patriots, throughout the Belichick era they have been mostly able to avoid bad contracts because they generally avoid going after the biggest names in free agency. But they made a exception for All-Pro linebacker Adalius Thomas giving him a 5 year $35 million dollar contract in 2007. But his production slumped almost as soon as he arrived (although he one of the few Patriots who played well in Super Bowl XLII). By 2009 he was benched. Then he started to clash with coaches, miss meetings and vent his displeasure through the media. Belichick finally had enough of his crap and released him after only 2 seasons.
And then there's the Red Sox who certainly have no shortage of terrible contract over the years but the absolute worst has to be Pablo Sandoval. Back in 2015 they signed to a 5 year $90 million dollar contract. Now the Red Sox had needed a third baseman but that's probably not the only reason he was signed. Red Sox management probably saw a big slugger with a big smile and a cool nickname and figured he'd be the successor to David Ortiz. Somewhere in Boston there's probably a huge warehouse full of unsold Panda merchandise. But the fact that reportedly the reason he wanted out or San Francisco was that the Giants insisted on a weight clause should have been a huge red flag.
When he first reported to Spring Training pictures circulated of him looking heavier than Yokozuna which the Red Sox tried to explain away by blaming the angle. But the Sox couldn't hide his poor play as he posted career lows batting and hampered by his weight his defense suffered. The next year he reported ever heavier. There was a hilarious moment early in the season where his belt buckle snapped on a swing. After only a couple of weeks into the season the Red Sox put Sandoval on the DL with season ending shoulder surgery but it was more a effort to get him to lose weight. By next year he did lose 15 pounds but his play did not improve. The Red Sox finally had enough and released him in July. But they still owe him a ton of money through 2019 and his dead money is a major reason the Sox are way over the luxury tax.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 20, 2018 3:26:45 GMT -5
While I'm sure there are worst but a couple stand out current day Currently The St. Louis Cardinals giving a 4 year 7,500,000 a year contract to Brett Cecil for a reliever who posted a 6.16 ERA and before close to a 4 era is not worth it. Another would be Dexter Fowler if he doesn't bounce back next year after having a great 2017 when healthy to basically forgetting how to play outfield or hit batting under .200 all year. He only on his second year of a long term contract. Came in to say Brett Cecil. Spending so much on a reliever not named Chapman or Miller is a waste when trades and developing minor leaguers seems to be Mo's usual way of doing business. Fowler I was fine with. He posted great numbers last year and had had an OBP second only to Carp. I'm hoping this year was an outlyer. If not Martinez and O'Neil are there to pick up the playing time. Like I said, if he doesn't bounce back next year I would add him.
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Post by BRV on Sept 20, 2018 12:04:34 GMT -5
BOSTON RED SOX - Carl Crawford, signed for seven years and $142 million in 2011. He was a player the Red Sox didn't need, as they already had Jacoby Ellsbury in the outfield at the time, but the ownership group decided that a luxury was worth seven years and $142 million. In 2011, he hit .255 with a .289 on-base percentage and in 2012 he missed a decent chunk of the season after undergoing wrist surgery before hitting .282 in 31 games before being traded to the Dodgers. All told, for $142 million, the Red Sox got 161 games out of Crawford, during which he hit .260 with a .292 OBP. If not for the Dodgers trade, the Red Sox would have still been paying Crawford as recently as last season, when he didn't play professional baseball.
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS - Aaron Hernandez, signed for seven years and $39.6 million in 2012. Hernandez played one season on that new contract before he was arrested. Not a whole lot more needs to be said.
BOSTON CELTICS - Jermaine O'Neal, signed for two years and $10.8 million in 2010. In what turned out to be an inevitable disaster, O'Neal played only 24 games in 2010-11 after dealing with a myriad of injuries and he was quite ineffective in those 24 games, averaging 5.4 points per game and 3.7 rebounds per game. His 2011-12 season wasn't much better, playing 25 games and averaging 5.0 PPG and 5.4 RPG. He was waived midway through the second year of his contract after undergoing season-ending surgery, but his biggest offense might have been that his presence alone as a big man on the roster may have made Danny Ainge more comfortable trading away Kendrick Perkins at the 2011 trade deadline.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 20, 2018 12:49:15 GMT -5
I would say bad contracts in baseball at least have less of an impact for the top teams since the sport is capless. Even a bad A-Rod like contract won't stop the Yankees or Red Sox from being a playoff team with a stacked roster,whereas a shitty Knicks contract sets them back a few years before being able to reboot. The ludicrously bad contracts Boston gave out put them in the basement for a few years and they still might be there if they weren't able to trade a lot of them off to teams like the Dodgers. And thanks in part to some of the bad contracts, the Yankees were out of playoff contention for awhile, too. It certainly doesn't hurt as much as with other teams because no salary cap, but bad contracts definitely have a noticeable impact. Because there's only so much owners want to spend on the team, especially now with the luxury tax. Everyone remembers the great years of the late 90's, but forgets most of the 80's where the Yankees were decent at best. Reason for that is because Steinbrenner was signing any free agent he could to bad contracts without regard to team chemistry or need, which in turn bogged down the team's success.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 20, 2018 13:39:16 GMT -5
I would say bad contracts in baseball at least have less of an impact for the top teams since the sport is capless. Even a bad A-Rod like contract won't stop the Yankees or Red Sox from being a playoff team with a stacked roster,whereas a shitty Knicks contract sets them back a few years before being able to reboot. The ludicrously bad contracts Boston gave out put them in the basement for a few years and they still might be there if they weren't able to trade a lot of them off to teams like the Dodgers. And thanks in part to some of the bad contracts, the Yankees were out of playoff contention for awhile, too. It certainly doesn't hurt as much as with other teams because no salary cap, but bad contracts definitely have a noticeable impact. Because there's only so much owners want to spend on the team, especially now with the luxury tax. Everyone remembers the great years of the late 90's, but forgets most of the 80's where the Yankees were decent at best. Reason for that is because Steinbrenner was signing any free agent he could to bad contracts without regard to team chemistry or need, which in turn bogged down the team's success. Yea, plus just facts with your strategy in general. Think if the Yankees went into this offseason without Ellsbury on the books. Hell, they were able to afford Giancarlo because a lot of their guys are young and affordable
Just three years ago Yankees had multiple close to $20Million or more annual contracts in A-Rod, Texeria, C.C., Ellsbury, Jeter, Mo so they've learned to pull back on those
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 20, 2018 13:41:49 GMT -5
Oh yeah I forgot to say Melo 2nd Contract with the Knicks
The money wasn't the killer but more so the damn no trade clause. They seemed to be betting against themselves in that regard
Starting to hate that THJ contract as well. It's not the worst but hopefully, he's learned to have better shot selection
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 21, 2018 19:01:45 GMT -5
The Suns giving a way over the hill Shaq a contract. Trading away Shawn Marion for him wasn’t a smart move but giving up the fast style of play the team had been using successfully was enough to bring my piss to a boil.
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Post by armbar on Sept 21, 2018 19:21:23 GMT -5
Emmanuel Adebayor in Crystal Palace. Big name, but wasn't fit and scored only one goal during the six months he spent in the club. Useless lump.
Bakary Sako in Crystal Palace as well. Came in with big wages, reportedly around 60-70k/week. Was really good for two months, otherwise spent most of his three years at the club injured. Seems like a really nice guy, but majorly overpaid.
Columbus Blue Jackets. Foligno & Dubinsky. Two decent just over 30 year old second-third liners. Both getting paid over 5 millions a year for multiple years.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 21, 2018 21:39:34 GMT -5
The Suns giving a way over the hill Shaq a contract. Trading away Shawn Marion for him wasn’t a smart move but giving up the fast style of play the team had been using successfully was enough to bring my piss to a boil. What the f*** were they thinking acquiring Shaq when they were in fast pace 7 secs or less mode
I mean I get the idea behind oh he will be valuable come playoffs and "Shaq will adapt"(Which is a bunch of bullshit) but Shaq on the Suns was weird and a last desperate gaffe for the Suns
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 21, 2018 22:52:24 GMT -5
The Suns giving a way over the hill Shaq a contract. Trading away Shawn Marion for him wasn’t a smart move but giving up the fast style of play the team had been using successfully was enough to bring my piss to a boil. What the f*** were they thinking acquiring Shaq when they were in fast pace 7 secs or less mode I mean I get the idea behind oh he will be valuable come playoffs and "Shaq will adapt"(Which is a bunch of bullshit) but Shaq on the Suns was weird and a last desperate gaffe for the Suns
In all the baffling team decisions made by the Suns in the last fifteen years or so, it was probably the worst. And that’s saying something.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 21, 2018 22:56:52 GMT -5
What the f*** were they thinking acquiring Shaq when they were in fast pace 7 secs or less mode I mean I get the idea behind oh he will be valuable come playoffs and "Shaq will adapt"(Which is a bunch of bullshit) but Shaq on the Suns was weird and a last desperate gaffe for the Suns
In all the baffling team decisions made by the Suns in the last fifteen years or so, it was probably the worst. And that’s saying something. Idk, giving Tyson Chandler that big stupid contract a few years ago is up there
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 24, 2018 3:34:02 GMT -5
Not my team but I would have to guess, that the Angels giving Albert Pujols that monster Contract is up there. They paid out for him and he never was even close to what he once was. I just think that it could have been the Cardinals just as easily. Loved the guy and he WAS a great player. The Angels never got the player we saw in St. Louis. Sure he had some decent hitting seasons, not very many but a couple. Been dealing with foot and knee issues most of the run, and can no longer really play a position or run.
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Post by sfvega on Sept 24, 2018 6:12:16 GMT -5
Not my team but I would have to guess, that the Angels giving Albert Pujols that monster Contract is up there. They paid out for him and he never was even close to what he once was. I just think that it could have been the Cardinals just as easily. Loved the guy and he WAS a great player. The Angels never got the player we saw in St. Louis. Sure he had some decent hitting seasons, not very many but a couple. Been dealing with foot and knee issues most of the run, and can no longer really play a position or run. Yeah, his plantar fasciitis really took a lot out of him. Dude has looked silly "running" for years. Which, he was always a competitor, you know that's just how poorly he moves now. There is still a large portion of the Cards fanbase who hates him, which is the craziest thing. He gave us maybe the best 10 year stretch of hitting ever for WAY below market value, then went somewhere else to cash out and decline. Dude should be seen as a god in St. Louis.
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