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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 27, 2019 15:54:24 GMT -5
in life, there are a few common rules that everyone knows to obey: don't eat yellow snow, look both ways before crossing the street, and don't f*** with a nurse droid!
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Post by the2ndevil on Dec 27, 2019 16:19:43 GMT -5
Greef: Come on, baby. Do the magic hand thing!
The Child: *Waves*
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Post by Fade on Dec 27, 2019 16:37:58 GMT -5
Season 2 arrives Fall 2020. Gonna guess November. Regardless I’m thankful it’ll be as soon as Fall.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Dec 27, 2019 16:40:14 GMT -5
Amazing episode, amazing season. The future looks bright for this show.
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Post by Scooterdust on Dec 27, 2019 16:42:26 GMT -5
Holy hell! I screamed when I saw it. Apologies for this, but as I wrote it, it just kept coming to me. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: A LOT OF TEXT TO READ. SPOILERS FOR MANDO EP 8, and RoS}Moff Gideon HAS THE DARKSABER, so he's Clan Vizsla, or he defeated Bo-Katan Kryze for it...
but something tells me that Palpatine is manipulating this, and is seeking Baby Yoda out because...
it actually is CANON Yoda, and has the light-side of the Force ability like the dark-side ability that Palpatine has to manipulate midichlorians, and he wants to exploit that to rebuild his body (Palpatine can manipulate midichlorians to create life, while Yoda can manipulate them to reincarnate himself (and Yaddle can do the same), hence why there was only one current Yoda and Yaddle,
although Yaddle is not dead in Canon as far as we know, but is dead in Legends, and considering Yoda's death was 4 ABY, and this series is 9 ABY, and Baby Yoda is said to be about 50 years old, and has the development of a five-year-old human, (which puts his birth at 41 BBY (THE SAME YEAR AS ANAKIN SKYWALKER WAS CONCEIVED), I'd say this is actually YODA, hence why Yoda appears so fragile and weak in Empire & Jedi, because Baby Yoda was created, and he knew his time was ending, and only when Adult Yoda became one with the Force, did Baby Yoda begin feeling his Force powers,
but who was looking after Baby Yoda? Yaddle was, of course, hence why she left the Jedi Council, and either somewhere between 32 BBY and 19 BBY (when Order 66 is given), we likely assume Yaddle is executed, and The Child is captive, but the hole there is that means the Empire would have had The Child for 28 years, and do you think that Palpatine wouldn't have done something with The Child if captured for so long?
This is why I propose the theory that when Master Yoda became one with the Force, Yaddle did too due to grief (and this is explained further down), and was capture by General Pryde somewhere between 4 ABY & 9 ABY, during which The Child received Master Yoda's force powers, whose power revealed further abilities for Force ghosts, hence why Master Yoda in TLJ and Luke in RoS can do what they do.
Yoda was the true keeper of all the light-side of the Force, and was containing all further Force abilities within him (hence the healing with Rey, and why no other Jedi could do this before her,
but what is the point of all this? Palpatine SUCCEEDED at acquiring this reincarnation ability, or at least some Imperial scientist did, and found a shortcut to reanimate Palpatine's OWN body (Sheev was vain, what did you expect?), or because he was a Sith, the two opposing forces within Palpatine resulted in it not succeeding all the way, and this happened somewhere between 9 ABY (when the Mandalorian is set) and 15 ABY (when Rey is born, and he stores the stolen power in Rey, knowing he could not wield its true potential in his reanimated form, and this is discovered by Rey's parents at some point between 15 ABY & 21 ABY when she is sold to Unkar Plutt).
This could explain why Baby Yoda isn't seen in the NT, because he is in fact dead, and he was the last of the species. My additional theory is Yoda and Yaddle where the first Force Dyad, and needed each other in a mutuality-type of way to ensure that the other survives to be the Keeper of the Force knowledge. When Master Yoda went, Yaddle felt it wherever she was, and despite being centuries younger, lost her will, and became one with the Force in her grief, hence why we don't see her as a Force ghost. Since there was no Yaddle anymore to have her own rebirth, this Baby Yoda is the last of its species (unless it is revealed to grow up, and can rebirth a Yaddle).
Ehh, what do I know? Thanks for reading.
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Post by Eddie Brock on Dec 27, 2019 16:50:01 GMT -5
That was epic finale!
In total, I'd summarize that this was great season, I watched ROS last week, I can't believe that they managed so good series and so poor movie.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 27, 2019 17:05:41 GMT -5
My only gripe is the continuing treatment of Jedi and the Force as mythological concepts when literally everybody in the show is old enough to have lived during the time when Jedi were famous peacekeepers.
I can kind of get behind the idea of it in the sequel trilogy, as it would've been almost 60 years and a suppressive totalitarian regime removed from the destruction of the Jedi Order, but there's no way someone like Karga can live through the Clone Wars yet not know about the Jedi, or even Cara, given her Rebellion ties.
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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 27, 2019 18:16:27 GMT -5
My only gripe is the continuing treatment of Jedi and the Force as mythological concepts when literally everybody in the show is old enough to have lived during the time when Jedi were famous peacekeepers. I can kind of get behind the idea of it in the sequel trilogy, as it would've been almost 60 years and a suppressive totalitarian regime removed from the destruction of the Jedi Order, but there's no way someone like Karga can live through the Clone Wars yet not know about the Jedi, or even Cara, given her Rebellion ties. There were around 10,000 Jedi in a galaxy of trillions, possibly quadrillion of people. Someone from the Outer Rim or unexplored regions might have had absolutely no contact with Jedi or the Clone Wars as a whole, and The Empire obviously was very information suppressant.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 27, 2019 19:01:05 GMT -5
My only gripe is the continuing treatment of Jedi and the Force as mythological concepts when literally everybody in the show is old enough to have lived during the time when Jedi were famous peacekeepers. I can kind of get behind the idea of it in the sequel trilogy, as it would've been almost 60 years and a suppressive totalitarian regime removed from the destruction of the Jedi Order, but there's no way someone like Karga can live through the Clone Wars yet not know about the Jedi, or even Cara, given her Rebellion ties. There were around 10,000 Jedi in a galaxy of trillions, possibly quadrillion of people. Someone from the Outer Rim or unexplored regions might have had absolutely no contact with Jedi or the Clone Wars as a whole, and The Empire obviously was very information suppressant. Unknown Regions, sure, but even the Outer Rim saw a lot of the Clone Wars. And the Jedi weren't just a few thousand individuals around for a couple of decades, they were galactically-renowned peacekeepers and a constant presence for thousands of years. It's just a hard sell for me that even the Jedi could pass into obscure myth so quickly, even taking into account the vastness of the galaxy.
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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 27, 2019 19:35:06 GMT -5
There were around 10,000 Jedi in a galaxy of trillions, possibly quadrillion of people. Someone from the Outer Rim or unexplored regions might have had absolutely no contact with Jedi or the Clone Wars as a whole, and The Empire obviously was very information suppressant. Unknown Regions, sure, but even the Outer Rim saw a lot of the Clone Wars. And the Jedi weren't just a few thousand individuals around for a couple of decades, they were galactically-renowned peacekeepers and a constant presence for thousands of years. It's just a hard sell for me that even the Jedi could pass into obscure myth so quickly, even taking into account the vastness of the galaxy. I accept that, and all I can offer is Palpatine performing a galaxy wide Sith Mind Trick? I dunno, I just turn my brain off and go with it.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 27, 2019 20:11:51 GMT -5
Carl Weathers acting with Baby Yoda is glorious.
From "HE'S GONNA EAT ME" to "Do the magic hand thing"... it's hard to be such a bad ass and a goofball at the same time while still acting completely serious. That's some massive acting skill.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 27, 2019 20:55:36 GMT -5
Me: I'm not crying at that finale, I just got something in my eyes... Nurse Droid: I've analyzed your voice. You are crying.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 27, 2019 21:21:07 GMT -5
There were around 10,000 Jedi in a galaxy of trillions, possibly quadrillion of people. Someone from the Outer Rim or unexplored regions might have had absolutely no contact with Jedi or the Clone Wars as a whole, and The Empire obviously was very information suppressant. Unknown Regions, sure, but even the Outer Rim saw a lot of the Clone Wars. And the Jedi weren't just a few thousand individuals around for a couple of decades, they were galactically-renowned peacekeepers and a constant presence for thousands of years. It's just a hard sell for me that even the Jedi could pass into obscure myth so quickly, even taking into account the vastness of the galaxy. I always got the sense that most people in galaxy knew that Jedi existed but everything about them was just stories. Luke had no idea what the force was after all.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 27, 2019 21:29:24 GMT -5
The galaxy's perception of Jedi and the Force was suppressed by a massive, coordinated propaganda effort by the Empire along with threats of imprisonment or worse by anyone trying to say otherwise. Palpatine himself kept his own Force sensitivity secret throughout his reign as Emperor. The only people who knew his true status as a Sith Lord were Vader, his most trusted advisors, the remaining Jedi, and likely the Inquisitorius. I'm not even sure if someone as high in the Imperial power structure as Tarkin really knew that Palpatine was a Sith Lord or even Force sensitive, considering his line in the original movie about Vader. Then again, that's something that could easily be retconned as Tarkin could've just been saying that about Vader being a former Jedi. Also keep in mind that even in Anakin's time as a child, Jedi had a somewhat of a legendary status on worlds outside of the Republic like Tatooine.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 27, 2019 21:30:10 GMT -5
Unknown Regions, sure, but even the Outer Rim saw a lot of the Clone Wars. And the Jedi weren't just a few thousand individuals around for a couple of decades, they were galactically-renowned peacekeepers and a constant presence for thousands of years. It's just a hard sell for me that even the Jedi could pass into obscure myth so quickly, even taking into account the vastness of the galaxy. I always got the sense that most people in galaxy knew that Jedi existed but everything about them was just stories. Luke had no idea what the force was after all. I always attributed that to a combination of Owen doing everything he could to keep Luke as uninformed as possible so as not to emulate his father or Obi-Wan, and Luke rarely stepping outside the bubble of his home life.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 27, 2019 21:39:53 GMT -5
Unknown Regions, sure, but even the Outer Rim saw a lot of the Clone Wars. And the Jedi weren't just a few thousand individuals around for a couple of decades, they were galactically-renowned peacekeepers and a constant presence for thousands of years. It's just a hard sell for me that even the Jedi could pass into obscure myth so quickly, even taking into account the vastness of the galaxy. I always got the sense that most people in galaxy knew that Jedi existed but everything about them was just stories. Luke had no idea what the force was after all. Yeah, I can understand if most people, especially in the more isolated parts of the galaxy, simply dismissed the Jedi and theirs deeds as legends. What I can't understand is how a Mandalorian warrior, a Rebel trooper and a major player in the Bounty Hunters Guild (which would presumably have galaxy-wide influence) could have never even heard of the Jedi. It really strains credibility.
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 27, 2019 21:45:36 GMT -5
Behold. Between Mandalorian, Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, we are in a golden age of Star Wars. I’ve seriously never been so happy, so jazzed to be a fan of the franchise in a long time.
No spoilers, this was just... amazing. Would have KILLED for a two hour finale, but this... this is excellent. And 2020 may be better with another season of Clone Wars, Mandalorian, maybe Kenobi and the Rogue One prequel series.
This is The Way for the fandom. I have spoken.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 27, 2019 23:23:45 GMT -5
I always got the sense that most people in galaxy knew that Jedi existed but everything about them was just stories. Luke had no idea what the force was after all. Yeah, I can understand if most people, especially in the more isolated parts of the galaxy, simply dismissed the Jedi and theirs deeds as legends. What I can't understand is how a Mandalorian warrior, a Rebel trooper and a major player in the Bounty Hunters Guild (which would presumably have galaxy-wide influence) could have never even heard of the Jedi. It really strains credibility. My point exactly. I don't doubt that the farmers Mando and Cara protected from the raiders would have little reason to have heard of the Jedi, much less know any details about them. Mando's childhood village was razed by battle droids, so he was raised in territory that was troubled by the Clone Wars, and raised after that by Mandalorians, who as a people have a long and storied history with the Jedi. Karga, according to his backstory, was a magistrate during Imperial times, and given his age it is likely he would've held political office during the Republic. Even on an Outer Rim world he would know about the dealings of the Senate, and the influence the Jedi held with it. Cara was with the Rebel Alliance, and the ties to the Jedi there are even stronger. How many times have we seen some commanding officer utter "May the Force be with us" to their team before battle? And then there's the little matter of the Jedi Knight who destroyed the first Death Star, hero of the Rebellion, who is at least well-known enough to be remembered 35 years later, even if it is as a semi-mythological character. It doesn't break the immersion or make the show any less enjoyable, it's just a minor gripe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 23:27:52 GMT -5
I've only seen a few episodes from Clone Wars and Rebels, and even I was like "Holy shit, is that the Darksaber?"
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 28, 2019 0:22:37 GMT -5
I've only seen a few episodes from Clone Wars and Rebels, and even I was like "Holy shit, is that the Darksaber?" Why I’ve caved and commenced a Star Wars marathon. Between Rise, Jedi and Mandalorian, I either gotta catch up or get started. And trust me, when it comes to a cure all for depression, very few thing work better than 1977 Star Wars. Recommended.
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