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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 11, 2021 16:29:32 GMT -5
We all have our own Retribution style names. I’m “Acme”. I'm Twister. I'm Tiddlywinks.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 11, 2021 16:30:37 GMT -5
Disney contacted UTA, Carano's talent agency, more than a dozen times in the past calendar year to ask her to refrain from posting inflammatory comments on social media. She refused. She continued to post inflammatory comments after the election but this time, Dave Filoni contacted her and asked her to refrain and again, she refused. Finally, Jon Favreau contacted her and asked her to refrain and again, she refused. Disney felt they had no choice but to fire her, as did her talent agency. Disney isn't going to "die on the hill" of a D-list actress. All she had to do to keep her job was to refrain from posting on social media and all would have been fine. When Filoni and Favreau repeatedly asks a Star Wars actor not to do something that brings bad publicity to the brand, doing so damned well should guarantee a firing.
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Post by edgestar on Feb 11, 2021 16:31:15 GMT -5
Not to worry, it's not like these types are likely to storm Disney studios or anything...oh wait... Not to worry, it's not like they'll storm Disney studios or anything...oh wait... They better be careful if they try this. The US government may tolerate the occasional insurrection but Mickey don't. This will end with them handcuffed to a sewing machine making Duffy the Disney Bear plushies in some forgotten Southeast Asian sweatshop. Alright, let's not get to the level that she did.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 11, 2021 16:39:15 GMT -5
Dye Beth Phoenix's hair black and just go with it. Mando and Chubbs would be like "Damn Cara you lookin' fine!" She responds "Yeah, I took 10% of the credits for Gideon's bounty and spent a cycle on the intergalactic makeover planet. If you ever mention it I'll break your face." The End. I was going to suggest another WWE woman given Sasha being there.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 11, 2021 16:43:15 GMT -5
It’s amazing to me that some people are coming to her defense. She’s a multi time offender and compared herself and others to genocide victims...but hoo hoo hoo she’s a victim because we disagree with her.
Yeah that’s it. I constantly call for people to be fired because we disagree. That’s it buddy. Accountability is a mystery to some people. Don’t. Say. Stupid. Shit. !!!!!!!!
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 11, 2021 17:30:00 GMT -5
I think the point she was trying to make about how divisiveness in culture can lead to it being easier to go the extremes is a valid one. It's more a case that going to the extremes leads to divisiveness in culture, ie: extremists alienate themselves from others, then blame the others for not wanting to associate with them.
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Post by Legion on Feb 11, 2021 17:45:43 GMT -5
I think the point she was trying to make about how divisiveness in culture can lead to it being easier to go the extremes is a valid one. It's more a case that going to the extremes leads to divisiveness in culture, ie: extremists alienate themselves from others, then blame the others for not wanting to associate with them. Yeah, I can see that, though I think it goes both ways. I think the world, and certainly the online world, seems to have fallen in to a very strict dichotomy of left or right, right or wrong, progressive or prejudice - the middle ground, the scope for any friendly or sensible debate is constantly shouted down. People are then led to the extremes (and there are always extremes waiting to exploit people) just to find someone who is willing to talk about one aspect of something societal, and then get sucked in to the rest - or face ridicule from all sides. It can be a very toxic across all sides and I assumed her clumsy point was that when you push people towards those extremes you generate a mob that can then lead to others being persecuted - but she ironically went to the extreme in her example. Or maybe I'm giving her more credit than she deserves and her point was never that thought out...!
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 11, 2021 17:51:57 GMT -5
It's more a case that going to the extremes leads to divisiveness in culture, ie: extremists alienate themselves from others, then blame the others for not wanting to associate with them. Yeah, I can see that, though I think it goes both ways. I think the world, and certainly the online world, seems to have fallen in to a very strict dichotomy of left or right, right or wrong, progressive or prejudice - the middle ground, the scope for any friendly or sensible debate is constantly shouted down. People are then led to the extremes (and there are always extremes waiting to exploit people) just to find someone who is willing to talk about one aspect of something societal, and then get sucked in to the rest - or face ridicule from all sides. It can be a very toxic across all sides and I assumed her clumsy point was that when you push people towards those extremes you generate a mob that can then lead to others being persecuted - but she ironically went to the extreme in her example. Or maybe I'm giving her more credit than she deserves and her point was never that thought out...! She deserves nothing. The "both sides" argument doesn't have much basis in reality. Instead of taking responsibility for her own extremism, she blames others for pushing her towards it. It's entirely her choice. It looks like Disney gave her plenty of chances to back down, but her ego, and the validation she got from other extremists online meant more to her than preserving her job.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 11, 2021 17:59:35 GMT -5
Middle ground usually just means uninformed, thus not developing any genuine opinions on a matter. That, or not having the empathy to actually understand what the issue really is. There's no earnest middle ground debate to someone comparing their personal plight to the holocaust... well yes, there's some notable exceptions right now, but that's a different topic we're not going down.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2021 18:06:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see that, though I think it goes both ways. I think the world, and certainly the online world, seems to have fallen in to a very strict dichotomy of left or right, right or wrong, progressive or prejudice - the middle ground, the scope for any friendly or sensible debate is constantly shouted down. People are then led to the extremes (and there are always extremes waiting to exploit people) just to find someone who is willing to talk about one aspect of something societal, and then get sucked in to the rest - or face ridicule from all sides. It can be a very toxic across all sides and I assumed her clumsy point was that when you push people towards those extremes you generate a mob that can then lead to others being persecuted - but she ironically went to the extreme in her example. Or maybe I'm giving her more credit than she deserves and her point was never that thought out...! She deserves nothing. The "both sides" argument doesn't have much basis in reality. Instead of taking responsibility for her own extremism, she blames others for pushing her towards it. It's entirely her choice. It looks like Disney gave her plenty of chances to back down, but her ego, and the validation she got from other extremists online meant more to her than preserving her job. Just like earlier with the whole talking about the past stuff, the "both sides" argument really has no bearing when the person in question is front and center repeating the same BS. Someone from the "other side" isn't the one that got fired for repeating shit they should know they should keep to themselves. When that person on the other side is fired then it can be brought up but otherwise it is just whataboutism imo Reality is, Gina had ample amount of time to clean it up or very least stay quiet. She did neither so you reap what you sow.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2021 18:06:52 GMT -5
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Post by Legion on Feb 11, 2021 18:10:24 GMT -5
Middle ground usually just means uninformed, thus not developing any genuine opinions on a matter. That, or not having the empathy to actually understand what the issue really is. There's no earnest middle ground debate to someone comparing their personal plight to the holocaust... well yes, there's some notable exceptions right now, but that's a different topic we're not going down. I guess where i disagree with that comes from a different place. Not in regards Gina Carano, she completely screwed up and her comparison is simply not apt. But I do believe you can hold a middle ground and can debate from there, even if your middle ground may be to the left or right of someone else's, which is usually where the debate comes from. It's very hard to have a discussion to make it clear what I mean without introducing topics that are banned, so I guess we just leave it as Carano was an idiot, she got was coming to her. The wider point, regardless of her stupidity and not really about her at all, is still an open ended discussion that we just can't have to any meaningful degree an stick within the rules of no politics etc.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 11, 2021 18:11:23 GMT -5
Middle ground usually just means uninformed, thus not developing any genuine opinions on a matter. That, or not having the empathy to actually understand what the issue really is. There's no earnest middle ground debate to someone comparing their personal plight to the holocaust... well yes, there's some notable exceptions right now, but that's a different topic we're not going down. Also should be added, a lot of the controversy surrounding her was about the fact that it seemed like a struggle to even get the idea of accepting someone's chosen gender which, yeah, it might take a bit of research to look up and it can take a lot to wrap your head around if you don't know anyone trans but I don't think it's that hard to do, right? Instead, after listening to Pablo Pascal talk to her about it, basically went "Instead of trying to understand or at the very least shutting up about it, I'm going to go out of my way to be hateful" which just removes any benefit of the doubt you might have. Like, you can't act like the world's against you or people are being too extreme when you set out to be extreme and offend.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 11, 2021 18:13:55 GMT -5
Middle ground usually just means uninformed, thus not developing any genuine opinions on a matter. That, or not having the empathy to actually understand what the issue really is. There's no earnest middle ground debate to someone comparing their personal plight to the holocaust... well yes, there's some notable exceptions right now, but that's a different topic we're not going down. I guess where i disagree with that comes from a different place. Not in regards Gina Carano, she completely screwed up and her comparison is simply not apt. But I do believe you can hold a middle ground and can debate from there, even if your middle ground may be to the left or right of someone else's, which is usually where the debate comes from. It's very hard to have a discussion to make it clear what I mean without introducing topics that are banned, so I guess we just leave it as Carano was an idiot, she got was coming to her. The wider point, regardless of her stupidity and not really about her at all, is still an open ended discussion that we just can't have to any meaningful degree an stick within the rules of no politics etc. My main issue is for a true balanced meet-in-the-middle debate to take place on any extreme differences, you have to accept that both sides have equal merit, which is almost never the case.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 11, 2021 18:20:47 GMT -5
Middle ground usually just means uninformed, thus not developing any genuine opinions on a matter. That, or not having the empathy to actually understand what the issue really is. There's no earnest middle ground debate to someone comparing their personal plight to the holocaust... well yes, there's some notable exceptions right now, but that's a different topic we're not going down. Also should be added, a lot of the controversy surrounding her was about the fact that it seemed like a struggle to even get the idea of accepting someone's chosen gender which, yeah, it might take a bit of research to look up and it can take a lot to wrap your head around if you don't know anyone trans but I don't think it's that hard to do, right? Instead, after listening to Pablo Pascal talk to her about it, basically went "Instead of trying to understand or at the very least shutting up about it, I'm going to go out of my way to be hateful" which just removes any benefit of the doubt you might have. Like, you can't act like the world's against you or people are being too extreme when you set out to be extreme and offend. And even then with something like 'gender identity' that can be hard to grasp for most people, it's not about understanding it, so much as respecting its importance to the people it matters to. It's basic respect, regardless of whether you believe in it or not. It's okay to earnestly debate or question what it means, so long as you're respectful and not a total dipshit about it, which Gina obviously has been. She gets so many chances and now she's going full victim pathology. It's pathetic.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 11, 2021 19:39:34 GMT -5
Any person who tries to relate being told they're an asshole on Twitter to the persecution and mass executions of innocent people during the Holocaust is garbage. They don't "have a valid point", they're f***ing trash. End of story.
Gina Carano is garbage dressed up in people clothes. All of her accomplishments are tainted by her being garbage. She is a bad person and this is just desserts.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 11, 2021 21:04:09 GMT -5
Basically believe what you believe, just don't hurt people because of it. And as we've seen, any and all beliefs and movements can turn violent.
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Post by burdette25159 on Feb 11, 2021 21:31:45 GMT -5
guessing that Carano's character will either be KILLED OFF (Most likely) or Recast (Less likely) and that Sasha Banks' character gets more screen time
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2021 21:46:23 GMT -5
guessing that Carano's character will either be KILLED OFF (Most likely) or Recast (Less likely) and that Sasha Banks' character gets more screen time Or they just don't mention her again. In the show she's the marshal of a single settlement on a backwater Outer Rim planet with no real reason to take the story back there unless Favreau and Filoni really want to give Carl Weathers more screen time. Season 3 of Mando will undoubtedly see more focus on Bo-Katan and her clan, while Rangers of the New Republic is an entirely new show, so her never being part of it isn't an issue.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 11, 2021 21:48:35 GMT -5
It had to happen. Most companies arent going to keep cancerous personalities no matter what they believe.
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