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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 6, 2018 10:49:05 GMT -5
Joe (and Nakamura too) may have benefitted from Styles’s reign being more along the lines of defending against different challengers each time as opposed to extended feuds that were book-ended by clean wins for Styles, first match being OK and the third match being really good, with a disputed finish in the middle. Randy Orton, Andrade Almas, maybe even Killian Dain, all could have been great one month challengers, I don’t know. I like the idea of them having a long babyface reign for once, and people generally like Styles, but for some... I can tell it’s not clicking. Yeah, it hurts a challenger a lot less if they only lose maybe a first time title match and then a later rematch; plus, this model could've allowed them to do only one wacky finish along the way, thus necessitating a rematch, while the other matches could be much more straightforward. This current model of "make up wacky finishes so we can have four rematches in a row where the title never changes hands, anyway" just makes everybody look worse than they should.
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Post by H-Virus on Oct 6, 2018 11:17:02 GMT -5
So he lost again, huh? Shocking.
It's probably a good thing that Joe didn't actually go into AJ's house, because I'm pretty sure Wendy could beat him at this point.
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Post by Chiral on Oct 6, 2018 11:25:42 GMT -5
Literally the only "win" heels get against AJ is making him mad and they treat it like it's the same thing as winning the title from him. It's hard to get invested in both AJ and his challengers because the storytelling is so f***ed on a basic level.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 6, 2018 11:28:09 GMT -5
Its a bad sign when you've been on a roster for 18 months, but you have less wins and titles than the short period where you wore pajama pants and had a penis drawn on your face.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 11:52:58 GMT -5
Yeah, a modern day version of Bret's late 1992 run would have benefited AJ more. Have one PPV match with Styles and Joe that ends in a screwy finish, but then Joe doesn't get a rematch, so both move on to different opponents but you can rekindle the feud later. That's a much better way of booking, but WWE doesn't care enough. They just want to fill PPV spots in the most lazy way possible and extending feuds to have 3-4 PPV matches in a row is their way of doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 12:03:27 GMT -5
Literally the only "win" heels get against AJ is making him mad and they treat it like it's the same thing as winning the title from him. It's hard to get invested in both AJ and his challengers because the storytelling is so f***ed on a basic level. I liked this feud for what it is, miles better than the Nakamura feud because of the better matches, lack of comedy finishes, and Joe's technical tapout win at least gave him something. The trouble with Joe in WWE is that he's the most authentic and intimidating ass kicker yet WWE might never actually bet the farm on making him walk the walk because they rarely go out on a limb like that. He could easily be doing what Orton is doing but he doesn't have the benefit of being Randy Orton to do it. It seems like to get the most enjoyment out of him you kind of got to take in what he does in a vacuum, same could go for a lot of wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 12:21:26 GMT -5
EVERY time I see the Someone's a bitch as a title, I wanna go into Toothpicks' rant from Don't Be A Menace. The Usos need to stomp somebody out and leave them like this:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 14:25:22 GMT -5
*sigh* I'm just gonna let the chopper sing right now. Yall better stick with me all the way through this. Walk with me. Talk with me..yo... Joe is a straight bitch. Not a regular bitch lol bitch but a straight "ok, this dude is a f***ing BITCH to the highest level" and I'm gonna explain why. For one...Joe is a damn loser. Look at Samoa Joe's record in this company. www.profightdb.com/wrestlers/samoa-joe-917.html?prom_id=2The last high-profiled match Joe won was on May 29th on SDL in a triple threat since Cass and Bryan. Since then Joe's been losing matches or beating guys like Tye and Truth. 2 f***ing guys who are a step over jobbers. Before that the last major match Joe won was against injured Ambrose last December where he only won due to Jason Jordan causing problems. Before that? The last legit match Joe won against was Balor in November. Basically, Joe only gets a few good legit wins against major guys in a whole. Damn. Year. Like, it's every once in a while. I've given you the textbook, look at that man's record. Secondly, Joe's had months of prep time against Styles and he couldn't get the job done. My G, that's prep time. You know what Dean Ambrose could do with prep time? Took Ambrose a week to concoct a plan that could give him a WWE Title match at a ppv against not only a legend but the head of The Authority Triple H. In turn, Ambrose almost won had his feet not been under the ropes which was a mistake on his part. The announcers said after that happened he let his anger get to him and he lost the match, had he stuck to the plan he woulda been champion. Do you know the plans many top guys have created to get the job done? Look at Rollins and his Architect character. Look at Triple H, Austin, Rock each week during the Attitude Era. Look at numerous guys and now look at Samoa Joe. This man spent months f***ing with AJ and he couldn't create a plan that could actually get him the damn title. Even after their last match the guy kept goading him and he ended up getting embarrassed more than ever in that match. Do yall know what I mean by that? The announcers said Styles was trying to bury Joe. AJ was kicking Joe's ass so bad AJ HAD TO SIT THE f*** DOWN IN A CHAIR MID-MATCH AND LOOK AT HIM LIKE A DISAPPOINTED FATHER. That was a shot at Joe's entire character. Next, Joe went at this man's family. Once that happens there's no escape. You've got no more tricks. You've got no more cards. You've got nothing else left at that point. It's Bed-Stuy do or die at that point and Joe died. You do whatever it f***ing takes to win. Lastly...Joe kept talking sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much shit. Bruh, it's not like you had 1 promo these months. You've been flapping your gums and acting like you're some Bruce Wayne type planner f***ing with Styles each week and at the end of it you got pitied, injured, embarrassed and laughed at. f*** man. Samoa Joe is that loud dude at the back of the class that learned to talk shit because he kept getting his ass kicked. Samoa Joe is your loud homie who, if they step over the line, all you gotta do is pop em in the mouth once and they straighten up. Samoa Joe is that dude you made flinch after you leapt towards them. Samoa Joe is a bitch. He's all f***ing talk. I don't care about the quality of their matches if everything else is trash. I don't care if people give me the "but Styles is a long reigning face and he had to win a-" f*** all that. I don't give a damn. I don't care if "-this is better than that Nakamura feud and I liked their promo-" I mean f*** it. This guy Joe needs rehab. He ain't it chief. No really.
He ain't it Chief. And in no way is this his fault. It's the company's fault. They f***ed up Joe like they've f***ed up everyone else. f*** man. I'm done with Joe. I'm done with his shit. I'm done with AJ Styles.
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Post by Dat Dude on Oct 6, 2018 23:59:46 GMT -5
EVERY time I see the Someone's a bitch as a title, I wanna go into Toothpicks' rant from Don't Be A Menace.
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Post by BatPunk on Oct 7, 2018 1:34:56 GMT -5
Joe is really getting into Bray Wyatt territory real quick.
After a couple of wins we’ll see start to be happy and cheer for him. Joe’ll be face soon enough.
Then booked terribly again
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Post by clifford on Oct 7, 2018 2:58:49 GMT -5
Why are people talking about Joe like he books the results? This is a weird thread.
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Post by bearned on Oct 7, 2018 3:04:19 GMT -5
I feel bad for Joe because in my opinion he has been absolutely killing it promo wise and he is no slouch in the ring either. I don’t know what more he could do here. I mean you can say he looks a chump getting beat by AJ but AJ is clearly booked at near god like levels, more so than probably any champ in recent memory (Brock excluded)
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Post by Woo on Oct 7, 2018 3:09:32 GMT -5
Joe (and Nakamura too) may have benefitted from Styles’s reign being more along the lines of defending against different challengers each time as opposed to extended feuds that were book-ended by clean wins for Styles, first match being OK and the third match being really good, with a disputed finish in the middle. Randy Orton, Andrade Almas, maybe even Killian Dain, all could have been great one month challengers, I don’t know. I like the idea of them having a long babyface reign for once, and people generally like Styles, but for some... I can tell it’s not clicking. God, why do they ask have to be months feuds these days? It's so lazy and tiresome.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 3:16:16 GMT -5
Why are people talking about Joe like he books the results? This is a weird thread. Because we're talking about the character? Obviously in complaining the character is a joke and not threatening the complaint's directed at the writers.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Oct 7, 2018 4:48:37 GMT -5
I doubt Wendy will be coming home to Joe anytime soon after he tapped out to AJ clean as a whistle.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Oct 7, 2018 7:01:43 GMT -5
Yeah, a modern day version of Bret's late 1992 run would have benefited AJ more. Have one PPV match with Styles and Joe that ends in a screwy finish, but then Joe doesn't get a rematch, so both move on to different opponents but you can rekindle the feud later. That's a much better way of booking, but WWE doesn't care enough. They just want to fill PPV spots in the most lazy way possible and extending feuds to have 3-4 PPV matches in a row is their way of doing it. This is the problem in my opinion. They're doing the same formula over and over. Hell even Jinder faced Nakamura a few times and beat him every single time. If Joe had lost, went on to another feud to get his heat back, then challenged AJ later, this would've felt a lot more important and a lot less telegraphed. SDL while more enjoyable than Raw, their ME scene is stale. I love AJ and am glad to see him get a record breaking run with the title, I'd rather see AJ with a record than Brock, but they're booking the WWE Championship all wrong doing the same thing over and over and over. Silver lining? I've enjoyed Joe's matches with AJ more than I did Nak's. And up until the ending, I was digging the match at SSD.
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Post by clifford on Oct 7, 2018 8:43:35 GMT -5
Why are people talking about Joe like he books the results? This is a weird thread. Because we're talking about the character? Obviously in complaining the character is a joke and not threatening the complaint's directed at the writers. Yeah ok...still seems weird. Like when people were calling Nakamura the choke artist a few months ago....for results that he had literally nothing to do with. It's cool to see kayfabe taken so seriously I guess.
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Post by RedSmile on Oct 7, 2018 9:11:41 GMT -5
Samoa Joe should've left Styles a bloody heap in Hell in a Cell, and then spent the rest of his time trash talking Bryan & Miz. Which would've lead to Bryan vs. Joe, where Joe proceeds to make a mockery of Bryan's sham of a marriage.
But that Dee-Oh-Double Gee is the expert, and will tell you what good stories are, and apparently this is it.
Let's Get Ready to Suck It!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 10:31:35 GMT -5
EVERY time I see the Someone's a bitch as a title, I wanna go into Toothpicks' rant from Don't Be A Menace. "Take me to the Uso Penitentiary! Lock me up! Throw away the key! I ain't afraid to..."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 10:34:38 GMT -5
Because we're talking about the character? Obviously in complaining the character is a joke and not threatening the complaint's directed at the writers. Yeah ok...still seems weird. Like when people were calling Nakamura the choke artist a few months ago....for results that he had literally nothing to do with. It's cool to see kayfabe taken so seriously I guess. Eh, I like these discussions myself. Behind the scenes stuff may be more interesting most of the time, but it's no different than discussing characters on any other TV show.
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