Nosnorb
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Nachos and Fraggle Rock are TIMELESS.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 7, 2018 10:46:07 GMT -5
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Oct 7, 2018 22:04:09 GMT -5
What's the opposite of an Academy Award? A Razzie? Give that guy in the crowd a Razzie. And one for Bell-bot too.
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Eunös ✈
Dalek
Duck Feet Expert
Tolerated, just not practically liked.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Oct 8, 2018 6:54:32 GMT -5
Samoa Joe is not a Female Dog.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 22:51:54 GMT -5
Tonight proved furthermore what a bitch Samoa Joe is.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 9, 2018 23:54:37 GMT -5
Sadly he was same in TNA. It's like companies recognize his talent but flat out refuse to make him the guy. So he looks menacing but never finish the job. A dog who's all bark and no bite.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 10, 2018 5:16:51 GMT -5
Sadly he was same in TNA. It's like companies recognize his talent but flat out refuse to make him the guy. So he looks menacing but never finish the job. A dog who's all bark and no bite. He's 2012 Dolph but Samoan. Put him in title feuds but never wins (I know Dolph has been champion twice but he was definitely in 'hell of a hand' status).
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Post by abjordans on Oct 10, 2018 5:43:36 GMT -5
Not everyone can be champion, and transitioning the belt tho Miz/Bryan for Mania season is the right call. Joe has had a helluva entertaining WWE run from day 1, and a far cry from “dancing Samoan” as people wanted to predict. And last night didn’t make him look like a bitch, he shouldn’t have been in the match but tried to force it. It is that “storytelling” stuff that wrestling fans say they want. I think his run is being so scrutinized because “OH MY GOD LOOK HOW THEY ARE BOOKING HIM” that it isn’t being enjoyed for the quality work it is.
Ted Dibiase was in lots of WWF title feuds and never won the belt (I know- but he never won it or was champion) and people don’t call him a bitch.
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Sephiroth
Wade Wilson
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 10, 2018 5:56:13 GMT -5
Call it the Kane effect. Joe is great as the intimidating monster heel-but it gets rather diluted when he is portrayed as unable to win a match without restarting to underhanded tactics. For him to maintain such an aura he has to be allowed to win at least some of the time, and preferably at least once in a while in a genuinely dominant fashion. On the same note, having him always lose cleanly rather than making it a skin of the teeth kind of victory tends to really water down the effect as well.
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Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Bye
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Post by . on Oct 10, 2018 6:25:19 GMT -5
They can just repackage him as Joey Samoey now. He's lost all credibility.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 10, 2018 7:32:55 GMT -5
Dibiase also never stalked Elizabeth and went to Randy Savage's house either. If you do that sort of crap, you better win the title. If not, stick a fork in the dude. I really have no idea what they can do with Joe at this point.
I keep dreading the notion of some sort of Miz title run. I mean the guy lost to Bryan in 2 minutes. I might give him a shot at Styles and have him lose, but that's about it.
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Woo
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Woo on Oct 10, 2018 13:44:43 GMT -5
God, at least TNA put the belt on him. Time to draw a penis on your face Joe, you've reached that stage already.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Oct 10, 2018 14:19:10 GMT -5
Damn man, I've said it before but of all the big (and not so big) name non-FCW NXT male stars to come to the main roster, Nakamura is STILL the most successful alumni and that's saying a lot considering how much we've complained about his booking since getting the call-up. It cannot be denied by anyone anymore that there's a heavy bias against non-Vince guys on the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 14:30:39 GMT -5
Damn man, I've said it before but of all the big (and not so big) name non-FCW NXT male stars to come to the main roster, Nakamura is STILL the most successful alumni and that's saying a lot considering how much we've complained about his booking since getting the call-up. It cannot be denied by anyone anymore that there's a heavy bias against non-Vince guys on the main roster. Like... Joe's had 11 main roster title shots and he didn't win 1 title after all of that. Nakamura gained a title in his 8th one and beyond that Nakamura won the Rumble. Joe's just all talk.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 10, 2018 16:04:30 GMT -5
Not everyone can be champion, and transitioning the belt tho Miz/Bryan for Mania season is the right call. Joe has had a helluva entertaining WWE run from day 1, and a far cry from “dancing Samoan” as people wanted to predict. And last night didn’t make him look like a bitch, he shouldn’t have been in the match but tried to force it. It is that “storytelling” stuff that wrestling fans say they want. I think his run is being so scrutinized because “OH MY GOD LOOK HOW THEY ARE BOOKING HIM” that it isn’t being enjoyed for the quality work it is. Ted Dibiase was in lots of WWF title feuds and never won the belt (I know- but he never won it or was champion) and people don’t call him a bitch. Ted DiBiase never got title matches he couldn’t come through on for three straight PPVs/major shows; there’s an enormous difference between 80s/90s WWF with its much lighter major card schedule and today, where every Raw and SD is supposed to be a big card and there’s a PPV or network special every other week.
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Rolled a Seven, Beat the Ads.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 10, 2018 16:15:40 GMT -5
Damn man, I've said it before but of all the big (and not so big) name non-FCW NXT male stars to come to the main roster, Nakamura is STILL the most successful alumni and that's saying a lot considering how much we've complained about his booking since getting the call-up. It cannot be denied by anyone anymore that there's a heavy bias against non-Vince guys on the main roster. Finn Balor won a Top Title on his first chance. Sure he only had it one day, but he won it.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Oct 10, 2018 17:41:24 GMT -5
Damn man, I've said it before but of all the big (and not so big) name non-FCW NXT male stars to come to the main roster, Nakamura is STILL the most successful alumni and that's saying a lot considering how much we've complained about his booking since getting the call-up. It cannot be denied by anyone anymore that there's a heavy bias against non-Vince guys on the main roster. Finn Balor won a Top Title on his first chance. Sure he only had it one day, but he won it. Eh true, I'd still rather take the Royal Rumble and US title over a 1-Day Universal reign though. Shinsuke hasn't been as aimless as Balor was since his return a year and a half ago either and Shinsuke's pretty darn directionless right now.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 10, 2018 18:02:11 GMT -5
I knew from the Brock match he had that WWE lacked a certain kind of faith in him. That was the worst show of faith anyone could have put in the guy, because it took him jumping Brock and cheating repeatedly to hold onto any semblance of an ability to take Brock on, and once his cheating stopped he was shut down pretty much immediately. Sure this was during Brock's invincible phase, but they didn't even pretend to portray Joe like he had a chance of having a fair, decent fight against Brock.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 10, 2018 18:09:51 GMT -5
Call it the Kane effect. Joe is great as the intimidating monster heel-but it gets rather diluted when he is portrayed as unable to win a match without restarting to underhanded tactics. For him to maintain such an aura he has to be allowed to win at least some of the time, and preferably at least once in a while in a genuinely dominant fashion. On the same note, having him always lose cleanly rather than making it a skin of the teeth kind of victory tends to really water down the effect as well. Kane is a sad case where he really should have been a dominant heel champion in the late 90s. And I think it would have been interesting to have a character like that Champ, more interesting their eventual Chosen One HHH. He would have injected a new vibe to the product. But Vince wanted his guy to be a good-looking talker.
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Post by abjordans on Oct 10, 2018 18:23:20 GMT -5
Not everyone can be champion, and transitioning the belt tho Miz/Bryan for Mania season is the right call. Joe has had a helluva entertaining WWE run from day 1, and a far cry from “dancing Samoan” as people wanted to predict. And last night didn’t make him look like a bitch, he shouldn’t have been in the match but tried to force it. It is that “storytelling” stuff that wrestling fans say they want. I think his run is being so scrutinized because “OH MY GOD LOOK HOW THEY ARE BOOKING HIM” that it isn’t being enjoyed for the quality work it is. Ted Dibiase was in lots of WWF title feuds and never won the belt (I know- but he never won it or was champion) and people don’t call him a bitch. Ted DiBiase never got title matches he couldn’t come through on for three straight PPVs/major shows; there’s an enormous difference between 80s/90s WWF with its much lighter major card schedule and today, where every Raw and SD is supposed to be a big card and there’s a PPV or network special every other week. Do you think Joe should have won the belt? Because either way, the belt should go to Miz/Bryan. So, either Joe has a short run and loses it to Miz or AJ drops it to Miz. I mean, Joe would be cool, but I think I would rather see this AJ/ Bryan match, so I am not even man about it. Joe will just go do something else awesome.
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Post by abjordans on Oct 10, 2018 18:24:31 GMT -5
I knew from the Brock match he had that WWE lacked a certain kind of faith in him. That was the worst show of faith anyone could have put in the guy, because it took him jumping Brock and cheating repeatedly to hold onto any semblance of an ability to take Brock on, and once his cheating stopped he was shut down pretty much immediately. Sure this was during Brock's invincible phase, but they didn't even pretend to portray Joe like he had a chance of having a fair, decent fight against Brock. But, they let him have a match with Brock, so it shows a kind of faith they only have for a few guys.
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