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Post by Cyno on Aug 24, 2020 14:03:05 GMT -5
It should be said that that film didn’t technically flop. It performed as well as other movies did around that time of year and did turn a profit for the budget it had. The problem was that WB, for some reason, expected it to make WAY more than it did so if they consider that a flop, that’s pretty much on the m. The break even number was somewhere between $250-300 million, and it made $201 million. Unrealistic expectations or not, it lost money. It got hurt a lot by poor timing. BoP was one of the last movies to get a theatrical release before COVID-19 became a true pandemic, and the Asian market, especially China, was already shut down by then. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 24, 2020 14:15:57 GMT -5
It got hurt a lot by poor timing. BoP was one of the last movies to get a theatrical release before COVID-19 became a true pandemic, and the Asian market, especially China, was already shut down by then. The Chinese market was irrelevant anyway, as the R-rating prevented it from getting a release over there. The movie itself was fine, but the decision to go with the needless R rating (it soooo badly wanted to be Deadpool), having a huge marketing campaign try to get over the ridiculous title when "Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey" would've served it better, the unlucky timing of Covid cutting its theatrical run short, and WB's far too optimistic expectations (they wanted a $150 million opening weekend, and got $48 million) teamed up to give it a big "f*** you." |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 18, 2020 22:10:28 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Sept 23, 2020 11:48:30 GMT -5
Possibly a spoiler for the actual movie but..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 11:52:48 GMT -5
I'll never understand this thing DC has about R rated superhero movies being cooler or something. If the story necessitates a movie to be rated R that's fine, but it seems like they go out of their way to say "How can we make this rated R". |
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Post by thechase on Sept 23, 2020 12:02:21 GMT -5
Possibly a spoiler for the actual movie but.. DC has a multiverse remember? He could die in the movie and another version can just step right up for this |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:03:16 GMT -5
I'll never understand this thing DC has about R rated superhero movies being cooler or something. If the story necessitates a movie to be rated R that's fine, but it seems like they go out of their way to say "How can we make this rated R". I think it kind of depends. There's no reason, say, Batman necessarily needs to be rated R but between its title and its premise, if Suicide Squad isn't R rated then what's the point of it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:10:09 GMT -5
Possibly a spoiler for the actual movie but.. DC has a multiverse remember? He could die in the movie and another version can just step right up for this Or hey...maybe it's a prequel series? |
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Post by eJm on Sept 23, 2020 12:18:22 GMT -5
I'll never understand this thing DC has about R rated superhero movies being cooler or something. If the story necessitates a movie to be rated R that's fine, but it seems like they go out of their way to say "How can we make this rated R". I think it kind of depends. There's no reason, say, Batman necessarily needs to be rated R but between its title and its premise, if Suicide Squad isn't R rated then what's the point of it? Yeah, it was like the time Deadpool was rumored to be PG-13. The assassin that kills with almost any weapon and can have his limbs cut off and not die as a result...and none of that would really be included much because of the age rating. Like, at that point, what are we doing here? |
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Post by thechase on Sept 23, 2020 12:47:26 GMT -5
DC has a multiverse remember? He could die in the movie and another version can just step right up for this Or hey...maybe it's a prequel series? Apparently that is the case |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Sept 23, 2020 13:06:17 GMT -5
Or hey...maybe it's a prequel series? Apparently that is the case Gunn said they wouldn’t confirm the timeline until after the movie comes out, for the record. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 13:22:45 GMT -5
I think it kind of depends. There's no reason, say, Batman necessarily needs to be rated R but between its title and its premise, if Suicide Squad isn't R rated then what's the point of it? Yeah, it was like the time Deadpool was rumored to be PG-13. The assassin that kills with almost any weapon and can have his limbs cut off and not die as a result...and none of that would really be included much because of the age rating. Like, at that point, what are we doing here? Deadpool and Suicide Squad have always had comics that are essentially PG-13. Like I said, I'm not against an R-rated superhero movie, I just don't understand why DC seems to think that makes it "cool and edgy". |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 23, 2020 13:41:55 GMT -5
Yeah, it was like the time Deadpool was rumored to be PG-13. The assassin that kills with almost any weapon and can have his limbs cut off and not die as a result...and none of that would really be included much because of the age rating. Like, at that point, what are we doing here? Deadpool and Suicide Squad have always had comics that are essentially PG-13. Like I said, I'm not against an R-rated superhero movie, I just don't understand why DC seems to think that makes it "cool and edgy". I think it’s because of Marvel and the MCU’s Disney connections. They’re seen as the “safer product”, so WB/DC seem to wanna emphasize themselves as the gritter, “tougher” alternative to them. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 23, 2020 14:50:37 GMT -5
Deadpool and Suicide Squad have always had comics that are essentially PG-13. Like I said, I'm not against an R-rated superhero movie, I just don't understand why DC seems to think that makes it "cool and edgy". I think it’s because of Marvel and the MCU’s Disney connections. They’re seen as the “safer product”, so WB/DC seem to wanna emphasize themselves as the gritter, “tougher” alternative to them. I appreciate what DC's trying to do but a lot of their Rated R offerings were complete dog****, hopefully Birds of Prey was a sign of things turning around |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 24, 2020 10:31:35 GMT -5
I think it’s because of Marvel and the MCU’s Disney connections. They’re seen as the “safer product”, so WB/DC seem to wanna emphasize themselves as the gritter, “tougher” alternative to them. I appreciate what DC's trying to do but a lot of their Rated R offerings were complete dog****, hopefully Birds of Prey was a sign of things turning around The other big problem is that a vast majority of DC's comic output really doesn't fit dark/edgy very well. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 24, 2020 16:44:43 GMT -5
Deadpool and Suicide Squad have always had comics that are essentially PG-13. Like I said, I'm not against an R-rated superhero movie, I just don't understand why DC seems to think that makes it "cool and edgy". I think it’s because of Marvel and the MCU’s Disney connections. They’re seen as the “safer product”, so WB/DC seem to wanna emphasize themselves as the gritter, “tougher” alternative to them. I think what boggles me most is that they could have their cake and eat it too if they'd look at the breadth of DC properties. Something that I feel will only happen when the right people begin to listen. Really though, it's so simple. Want PG-13 action/adventure? Superman. Wonder Woman. Flash. Shazam. Justice League. Teen Titans. Dial H. Etc. Want R-rated material that focuses on drama and nuanced performances? Suicide Squad. Hellblazer. Swamp Thing. Doom Patrol. Animal Man. JL Dark. The Demon Etrigan. Etc. They have everything they need, but instead of taking a chance on Animal Man, they'd rather try and force Superman to be dark. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 24, 2020 17:01:06 GMT -5
I think it’s because of Marvel and the MCU’s Disney connections. They’re seen as the “safer product”, so WB/DC seem to wanna emphasize themselves as the gritter, “tougher” alternative to them. I think what boggles me most is that they could have their cake and eat it too if they'd look at the breadth of DC properties. Something that I feel will only happen when the right people begin to listen. Really though, it's so simple. Want PG-13 action/adventure? Superman. Wonder Woman. Flash. Shazam. Justice League. Teen Titans. Dial H. Etc. Want R-rated material that focuses on drama and nuanced performances? Suicide Squad. Hellblazer. Swamp Thing. Doom Patrol. Animal Man. JL Dark. The Demon Etrigan. Etc. They have everything they need, but instead of taking a chance on Animal Man, they'd rather try and force Superman to be dark. That’s “brand first” thinking at play again. One reason I think that Superman & Lois thing has people interested is because it *doesn’t* look dark. Y’ know, since moody darkness doesn’t suit that particular DC property. As much as I love Dark Knight 2008, WB saw its success and learned the wrong lessons from it. Like that upcoming Batmovie looks gritty and it’s cool, because that kind of atmosphere works for Batman. The studio (esp. Snyder) thought “grim = mature” and tried to shoehorn the Batman vibe where it didn’t fit. Wonder Woman I think worked because it was allowed to feel like a WW movie. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 24, 2020 20:26:05 GMT -5
I think what boggles me most is that they could have their cake and eat it too if they'd look at the breadth of DC properties. Something that I feel will only happen when the right people begin to listen. Really though, it's so simple. Want PG-13 action/adventure? Superman. Wonder Woman. Flash. Shazam. Justice League. Teen Titans. Dial H. Etc. Want R-rated material that focuses on drama and nuanced performances? Suicide Squad. Hellblazer. Swamp Thing. Doom Patrol. Animal Man. JL Dark. The Demon Etrigan. Etc. They have everything they need, but instead of taking a chance on Animal Man, they'd rather try and force Superman to be dark. That’s “brand first” thinking at play again. One reason I think that Superman & Lois thing has people interested is because it *doesn’t* look dark. Y’ know, since moody darkness doesn’t suit that particular DC property. As much as I love Dark Knight 2008, WB saw its success and learned the wrong lessons from it. Like that upcoming Batmovie looks gritty and it’s cool, because that kind of atmosphere works for Batman. The studio (esp. Snyder) thought “grim = mature” and tried to shoehorn the Batman vibe where it didn’t fit. Wonder Woman I think worked because it was allowed to feel like a WW movie. Agreed. Moreso even with WW84, which seems very reminiscent of George Perez' WW run after Crisis on Infinite Earths. Lots of color, daytime battles, civilian interaction. It's what has always made Wonder Woman work. |
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