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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2021 16:50:19 GMT -5
He plays a really good villain which from people in wrestling is what people have wanted from him for years but the movies, yeah he can do this and he's not wasting his chance Nobody likes a show off unless the show off is dope as f*** is a funny ass line and he was on point with everything. The inflection and head movement when he said “dope as f***” completely sold me. He was almost valley girl when he said it and I was in f***ing tears laughing He channeled early white rapper Cena for this performance and it showed which ended up being perfect for him The way he said I love peace and will kill every man, woman and child is some chilling shit to say but he said it so stone faced and with such conviction I laughed It feels like everyone shined when they needed to. Elba as Bloodsport was a good choice as well and I can see him, Will and Cena playing well off each other when a "killing game"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 16, 2021 9:02:55 GMT -5
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 16, 2021 9:26:53 GMT -5
that immediately came to my mind when I saw that scene.
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 17, 2021 6:33:56 GMT -5
Considering some of the stuff in that game, I should not be surprised he had a hand in it.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 17, 2021 11:08:54 GMT -5
I never played Lollipop Chainsaw before, but learning it was a collaboration between Suda51, James Gunn, and Akira Yamaoka makes me way more interested in it lol
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Post by chronocross on Aug 17, 2021 11:46:37 GMT -5
Great movie, enjoyed it more than the other Suicide Squad movie from 5 years ago.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 17, 2021 21:33:22 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I saw an article that theorized that not only did Waller know that Blackguard had betrayed the team, she actually facilitated it, and it made the point that Blackguard is so low intelligence that there was no way he could have arranged a betrayal to the point that Waller wouldn't know immediately. And the fact that in hindsight that makes a lot of sense is a testament to how Gunn and Davidson ran the character in the movie. In about 4 minutes of screentime, you absolutely can't wait to see that douche get his face get blasted off. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}To me it's blatantly obvious. Waller straight up says she needed a distraction on that beach so Bloodsport's team could make it ashore in total secrecy. The only way Flag's team can actually be a distraction is if the army know that they're coming and are laying in wait, so she sends Flag with some cannon fodder and just enough heavy hitters to make it look like that was the real attack while the real team sneak ashore unmolested. {Spoiler}Yeah, that was pretty obvious... Bloodsport even asks something like what was that? When he hears the explosion in the distance from the helicopter crash... and Waller says its a diversion or something.
Flagg's team was meant to fail... and if they died they died.
Which brings me to one of the things I really liked about this movie... it went above and beyond proving despite their posturing Waller and the program ARE the bad guys.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 17, 2021 21:55:58 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Which brings me to one of the things I really liked about this movie... it went above and beyond proving despite their posturing Waller and the program ARE the bad guys. Absolutely. {Spoiler}The squad's outright babyface turn in the third act totally hinges on the ones pulling their strings being so utterly despicable that even these hardened, sociopathic criminals take a step back and say "This is going too far." If Waller is even remotely likeable or sympathetic, the turn doesn't work anywhere near as effectively.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 17, 2021 22:04:07 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Which brings me to one of the things I really liked about this movie... it went above and beyond proving despite their posturing Waller and the program ARE the bad guys. Absolutely. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}The squad's outright babyface turn in the third act totally hinges on the ones pulling their strings being so utterly despicable that even these hardened, sociopathic criminals take a step back and say "This is going too far." If Waller is even remotely likeable or sympathetic, the turn doesn't work anywhere near as effectively. {Spoiler}which is also why I think Peacemaker worked for me to. He's got a completely messed up code of ethics that he abides by rigidly. The only thing he cares about is keeping the peace.
The data getting out would compromise that... regardless of the fact that he likely understands Waller's a piece of shit.
That said I fully expected King Shark to grab Peacemaker when he aimed the gun at Ratcatcher >_>
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 17, 2021 22:15:29 GMT -5
I never played Lollipop Chainsaw before, but learning it was a collaboration between Suda51, James Gunn, and Akira Yamaoka makes me way more interested in it lol Oh it's tonnes of fun. A little janky controls but definitely worth a spin.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 18, 2021 2:22:10 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 18, 2021 2:22:50 GMT -5
Also... {Spoiler}{SPOILER: }I was happy floating and looking at the stars.
How dare you James Gunn make me feel bad for Starro the Conqueror.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Aug 18, 2021 6:07:34 GMT -5
Absolutely. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The squad's outright babyface turn in the third act totally hinges on the ones pulling their strings being so utterly despicable that even these hardened, sociopathic criminals take a step back and say "This is going too far." If Waller is even remotely likeable or sympathetic, the turn doesn't work anywhere near as effectively. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}which is also why I think Peacemaker worked for me to. He's got a completely messed up code of ethics that he abides by rigidly. The only thing he cares about is keeping the peace.
The data getting out would compromise that... regardless of the fact that he likely understands Waller's a piece of shit.
That said I fully expected King Shark to grab Peacemaker when he aimed the gun at Ratcatcher >_>
{Spoiler}Yeah, Peacemaker is an excellent example of a Lawful Evil character to the T. He has a code that he follows no matter what. Like, he did not want to kill Flag, he literally says it, but his code far outweighs his respect for Flag. Even Flag’s desperate cries that the data needed to be shared because Project Starfish experimented on children rung hollow to Peacemaker as earlier he himself said he was willing to kill children to keep the peace.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 18, 2021 13:45:55 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}which is also why I think Peacemaker worked for me to. He's got a completely messed up code of ethics that he abides by rigidly. The only thing he cares about is keeping the peace.
The data getting out would compromise that... regardless of the fact that he likely understands Waller's a piece of shit.
That said I fully expected King Shark to grab Peacemaker when he aimed the gun at Ratcatcher >_>
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yeah, Peacemaker is an excellent example of a Lawful Evil character to the T. He has a code that he follows no matter what. Like, he did not want to kill Flag, he literally says it, but his code far outweighs his respect for Flag. Even Flag’s desperate cries that the data needed to be shared because Project Starfish experimented on children rung hollow to Peacemaker as earlier he himself said he was willing to kill children to keep the peace. {Spoiler} I would argue he's Lawful Neutral.
Lawful Neutral is the code above all else what's moral or right doesn't enter into it. Peacemaker's code is Peace at any cost, even above his own personal wants. Like I truly believe if Peacemaker thought the only way to continue the peace was to kill himself I think he'd do it without a thought, where I think an LE character would try to find some way around it.
But wars have been fought over the Alignment system <_<
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 18, 2021 14:39:56 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yeah, Peacemaker is an excellent example of a Lawful Evil character to the T. He has a code that he follows no matter what. Like, he did not want to kill Flag, he literally says it, but his code far outweighs his respect for Flag. Even Flag’s desperate cries that the data needed to be shared because Project Starfish experimented on children rung hollow to Peacemaker as earlier he himself said he was willing to kill children to keep the peace. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} I would argue he's Lawful Neutral.
Lawful Neutral is the code above all else what's moral or right doesn't enter into it. Peacemaker's code is Peace at any cost, even above his own personal wants. Like I truly believe if Peacemaker thought the only way to continue the peace was to kill himself I think he'd do it without a thought, where I think an LE character would try to find some way around it.
But wars have been fought over the Alignment system <_<
{Spoiler}Yeah, that’s Lawful Netural. Lawful Evil means that Peacemaker can’t be written to save anyone through his code and he’d be restricted to Waller only making him commit vile acts. But if she felt that saving a bunch of innocent diplomats is best for the bottom line, Peacemaker’s gonna do it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 18, 2021 17:28:37 GMT -5
*Peacemaker implies he's probably killed children or at the very least has no issue doing so*
"Guys,I'm not so sure Peacemaker is actually evil..."
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 18, 2021 17:45:30 GMT -5
Also... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: }I was happy floating and looking at the stars.
How dare you James Gunn make me feel bad for Starro the Conqueror. {Spoiler}Gunn was full on making a social statement with this movie.
The US were to blame for Starro. He was happy just floating and looking at the stars, but the government experimented on and tortured him.
And there's the difference between Peacemaker and Flag. Flag loves his country, wants the country to reach the ideals put forth, but knows there's always room for improvement and will it out for shit that has been done. Peacemaker is full on believing the country can do no wrong, and will kill people to protect the country's image.
Flag's Captain America, and Peacemaker is the Cap that most outside of Erskine wanted.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 18, 2021 18:03:51 GMT -5
Also... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: }I was happy floating and looking at the stars.
How dare you James Gunn make me feel bad for Starro the Conqueror. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Gunn was full on making a social statement with this movie.
The US were to blame for Starro. He was happy just floating and looking at the stars, but the government experimented on and tortured him.
And there's the difference between Peacemaker and Flag. Flag loves his country, wants the country to reach the ideals put forth, but knows there's always room for improvement and will it out for shit that has been done. Peacemaker is full on believing the country can do no wrong, and will kill people to protect the country's image.
Flag's Captain America, and Peacemaker is the Cap that most outside of Erskine wanted. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}See I didn't think Peacemaker was a patriot, or even really cared specifically about any country.
The only thing he cares about is peace, regardless of it's built on lies... regardless of who has to suffer and die to continue it... no matter if he does or doesn't agree with the methods he has to go through to get it... I'd even argue that he knows that what he's doing is wrong by how his voice cracked when he said "Because I'm thorough".
It's a terrible thing to do but he does what he needs to do to keep peace.
He's basically the Punisher only he thinks he's a hero... where Punisher is more honest about the fact he's a murderer.
also as the last line should point out... I'm not arguing that he's a good guy at all.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 18, 2021 18:55:49 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Gunn was full on making a social statement with this movie.
The US were to blame for Starro. He was happy just floating and looking at the stars, but the government experimented on and tortured him.
And there's the difference between Peacemaker and Flag. Flag loves his country, wants the country to reach the ideals put forth, but knows there's always room for improvement and will it out for shit that has been done. Peacemaker is full on believing the country can do no wrong, and will kill people to protect the country's image.
Flag's Captain America, and Peacemaker is the Cap that most outside of Erskine wanted. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}See I didn't think Peacemaker was a patriot, or even really cared specifically about any country.
The only thing he cares about is peace, regardless of it's built on lies... regardless of who has to suffer and die to continue it... no matter if he does or doesn't agree with the methods he has to go through to get it... I'd even argue that he knows that what he's doing is wrong by how his voice cracked when he said "Because I'm thorough".
It's a terrible thing to do but he does what he needs to do to keep peace.
He's basically the Punisher only he thinks he's a hero... where Punisher is more honest about the fact he's a murderer.
also as the last line should point out... I'm not arguing that he's a good guy at all. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Yeah, like Peacemaker I believe really did feel bad about killing Flag and when he was about to kill Ratcatcher 2. He will do whatever it takes to maintain peace even if it requires him to kill women and children which he himself said
He knew Waller is garbage but the bottom line is that information would f***ed everything over and he knew that which in fact is why he has sided with Waller
It is what will make him an interesting character. I don't see him making some full on face turn, in fact he may get darker in his conviction but his ability to compromise all his morals for the sake of peace will know, no bounds
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 18, 2021 22:08:45 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} I would argue he's Lawful Neutral.
Lawful Neutral is the code above all else what's moral or right doesn't enter into it. Peacemaker's code is Peace at any cost, even above his own personal wants. Like I truly believe if Peacemaker thought the only way to continue the peace was to kill himself I think he'd do it without a thought, where I think an LE character would try to find some way around it.
But wars have been fought over the Alignment system <_<
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yeah, that’s Lawful Netural. Lawful Evil means that Peacemaker can’t be written to save anyone through his code and he’d be restricted to Waller only making him commit vile acts. But if she felt that saving a bunch of innocent diplomats is best for the bottom line, Peacemaker’s gonna do it.
This is emphasized by the eating dicks on the beach spiel. (That is a sentence I just typed)
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